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I donít grade homework. Class work we do in class and the kids I know struggle to turn things in .. i frequently check in on and basically guide them until they get it done and in.

Itís not worth the fight. Itís practice.. and assessments are what I value in grading.

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EllyTeaches 07-12-2018 10:29 AM

This is a huge problem. As a grade level team, we are going to come up with a consistent system where they lose a certain percentage a day. They are not going to be able to wait until the end of the nine weeks and deluge us with work anymore. It's not right. We get sick of kids doing nothing for eight weeks and then suddenly caring.

It doesn't show mastery when they do it that late because by that point we have passed all work back, so it's as likely to be copied than done on their own.

BuddyDogKC 03-13-2018 09:10 AM

Our school does not grade homework. However, 0ur school has a "study hall elective". Basically if you give any type of assignment (classwork, homework, project, etc) and a student does not turn it in on time, they are removed from their elective to work on it during study hall until it is finished. Most of the electives at my school are high interest, so the students do not want to miss the classes. This ensures that the work is done either at home, or at school during study hall. Either way, it gives us teachers and idea about the student's progress. Of course we have the frequent flyers who are always there. Since there are not grades for homework, the only consequence is missing their electives. If a student knows the content, I don't think their grade should be punished for not turning in work. Losing points on an assignment that will lower the overall grade is not a true indication of the student's knowledge. Instead, we place a lot of emphasis on learner behaviors which help combat the laziness and apathy. It's not a perfect plan, but it helps.

SchoolPoppa 01-28-2018 06:17 PM

To me, it's not normal because it's not teaching them responsibility for themselves. I am a Middle School Cross Categorical Teacher Assistant that deals with a mixture of all grade levels in a self contained room. I have 2 8th graders that haven't turned their work for their Science and Social Studies teachers since November. Now all of a sudden, they're cramming because their teachers are putting their grades in on their report cards which they are getting next week. Keep in mind, these boys are supposed to go to high school next year. I questioned them why they're not doing it. Without a doubt, they said that it was hard. In "teacher" version--they were lazy. And they come up with all excuses including their suspension and blah blah blah. So I encouraged them to finish their work at the media center or they won't be texting their girlfriend(s) on the phone during lunch. One thing that the boys said to me that I'm the only teacher that care enough to put up with their crap and determined for them to do their work on time. It made me feel good about that.
FLteachESE, I came from elementary, too and know the challenges that middle school can be. The crazy thing about it is that I used to be one of those boys.

Till 01-27-2018 02:07 PM

I have taught middle school for 24 years, and this is normal. However, it doesn't mean giving in to it. I use an app to keep parents & students abreast of due dates, upcoming tests & more. I can quickly contact an individual parent or all my classes. It is easy to use & free. Most parents of middle schoolers want to be involved but feel the pull if needing to back off. Stay in touch & parents will be your best tool. There will always be a sprinkling of the "won't do" kids. The trick with these kids is to figure out why? Talk to them, find out about them. Giving a kind word, encouragement, a simple smile can make a huge difference. It may take a while, but don't give up on them or you. We all become frustrated at times, but focus on the "good"kids and try to be there for the others.

FeenixRizing 12-21-2017 10:26 AM

I have found that parents feel less need to be involved at this age for some reason so yes, we frequently get long term and in class assignments not turned in.

Our school even has a NO late work acceptance and NO extra credit policy. Doesn't matter. Some kids just don't care and the parents are not involved.

Saysomething 11-29-2017 05:23 PM

I am not a middle school teacher but I believe this behavior is common all schools. I have been in the high school system and it is the same. In my university now it is the same. Procrastination is at the heart of this issue, they get the assignments and think they have all the time in the world to do it.

We as teachers should highlight this issue with our students, as the habit might follow them through life. Also parents should play there part in showing interest in their children school life. Making sure all assignments are done on time and if not certain privileges should be taken away, they might not care about loosing marks with the teacher but loosing the internet or tv for a week or two now that's something. it would be a win win situation all around for everyone.

Sprite 11-28-2017 09:29 PM

I donít grade homework. Class work we do in class and the kids I know struggle to turn things in .. i frequently check in on and basically guide them until they get it done and in.

Itís not worth the fight. Itís practice.. and assessments are what I value in grading.

Mshope 11-12-2017 10:31 AM

I let my students know on day one that if they don't turn their work in on time three times, I will be contacting home. I have a form I have them fill out and I keep it in their "file." For some reason, this really does motivate some kids. I like that the form (google: pink slip) is in their writing. I can show parents at conferences exactly why they didn't do their work like, "I left early for track and then had hockey until 11:30 pm. I was too tired to do my make up work." Sometimes the kid will just say, "I didn't feel like doing it."

Also, when I do get the late work, I don't grade it easily or quickly. A little taste of their own medicine. I have a "zeroes not acceptable" (or zap) policy. So I might pull kids out of our study hall period to do the work. Too bad if their class was going to the gym or watching a movie. My other threat is that they can do it during lunch. I've never actually had to do that. Oddly, until this year, I never had a kid refuse to try the assignment. This year I have one who won't write or respond verbally to any assignment. I don't think he is in the right placement, so we will see if he makes it through the year.

Ima Teacher 11-11-2017 03:20 PM

We aren't allowed to take off points for late work, so there are some kids who will never turn things in on time because they don't really have any consequence if they don't.

If it is something that they do in class, they are pretty good at getting things turned in. They are absent or have to take it home, the number of missing assignments is large.

And that has been pretty consistent over my entire 25 years in middle school.

readandweep 11-10-2017 05:47 AM

At my school we give credit to kids who are actively working in class instead requiring big turn ins of projects or assignments.

We have a homework policy, but most teachers don't give it or give plenty of time to finish it in class.

We have an elective that teaches things like organization and note taking, but it is acknowledged that even those kids are still learning the skills.

Mshope 11-09-2017 01:48 PM

At my school, we are not "allowed" to take off for late work. Also, we have to accept late work. So of course our students do not understand due dates and deadlines. If I am grading something I have to make a lot of extra copies. Even when we do something IN CLASS there are some no names and other kids who just don't turn it in. I've even had kids turn in blank papers. It is pathetic.

So before I enter the grades into the computer, I go through and grade the assignment. Then, I make a list of kids who have a zero. I then put their names on the 2nd paper and give them time to do it the next class. This is awful, but it is what we have to do. My entire school is like this.

One reason that I try not to put in zeroes is that I will get emails from parents asking why there is a zero. ("Ask your kid!") I really don't have the time to deal with this. If teachers complain, we are told we are there to teach content, not responsibility. Yep, that shows.

Mikhail 11-08-2017 03:45 PM

I've seen students in middle school that are quite disciplined. In order to get a better return, I heard of teachers finding success by implementing a consequence like 10% taken off per day that something is late. It doesn't work for me because I'm finding hard keeping track of these details! And then I heard of other problems like what if you have a classroom full of students that are just unmotivated? Now what.

kahluablast 11-08-2017 05:29 AM

I don't teach middle, but I would think this is perfectly normal behavior. Doesn't mean you need to condone it.

I would think toward the next grading period. I would lay out some expectations, whether they are the ones you started with, or if you need to do some adjusting of them. I would not give extra credit to students who don't turn work in on time if I gave extra credit at all. Maybe extra credit through the period- added to each assignment (an extra problem/essay for extra credit) but none at the end. Why make things harder for yourself? After this grading period they should know whether you mean what you say, or whether they can pump you for extra. They should know they have to turn in assignments.

Good luck. I have similar problems with my 3rd graders. Not that they want extra credit. Just some of them never do anything. I have 10 kids who have given me every recess for a week and a half because they aren't turning things in. At this rate they will be with me all year, and that is not going to work. I need my recess! (Did you hear me laying on the floor kicking and screaming?) .

FLteachESE 11-08-2017 03:38 AM

Is it normal that middle schoolers- 7th and 8th graders do not turn in their work on time. I am at my wit's end trying to get assignments turned in and lord knows they dont care if I take away points until the week before the quarter ends and then they want extra credit. The assignments are given and students must either email me the product or upload it through edmodo where the assignment is given. The reason for the choice, is some home computers havent been able to upload the assignment to edmodo so I tell them to just email me then.

This... this is what is making me hate middle school (I came from elementary).

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