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I appreciate all of your thoughtful replies. I have to be honest, and report I am feeling like Seenthelight. It is not my responsibility to pay for the supplies, and it does perpetuate the current trend of absolving parents and students of responsibility.

It is really easy for our principal to issue this mandate. He is not the one who has to spend his own money or spend his morning or lunch break working with this child.

When is it ever going to stop? We feed the kids breakfast, lunch, provide after school snacks, homework support and free babysitting. We provide counseling, dentistry services, free backpacks and supplies, etc... We basically do everything a parent should be providing at home, and it still isn't enough?

We are operating not only like a socialist country, we are crippling a future generation from being independent and self-sufficient.I had a student who gave a presentation (a persuasive speech ) that argued the need to provide free housing to every American. What is our world coming to?

Of course, I totally get that kids need support when there is little of it at home. Trust me, I do everything and then some to provide that support for them.

I guess I am just tired of being a teacher, parent, emergency room doctor, psychologist, clothing and shoes provider, lice and scabies checker, ear, nose, and throat specialist, conflict resolution manager, and a whole host of other titles that are becoming increasingly more difficult to perform when trying to address the challenging mandates of common core.

It is really just too much most days. Vent over.

P.S. Please do not admonish me, and say welcome to the world of teaching, etc...I know that. I just needed to vent.

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Marcimcg 01-06-2018 04:17 AM

My experience as a parent helping my kids accomplish home projects was not the greatest.

My second grader had to do a time line of himself to age 7. He needed chart paper and photographs of himself plus help gluing it, etc. He worked hard on this project and turned it in on time. I kept asking if he had his chance to present it in class. Answer always the same, "not yet".

Then one day before winter holiday party, I came in to talk to teacher about party and saw the time line projects rolled up on file cabinet. Teacher said I could take my son's home. It had never been opened or looked it by the teacher.

What a waste of time and effort!!

Marcee 12-26-2017 09:25 PM

Elementary school? Yes. For some children the last thing on their minds is their project. At my school we are required to give them time in class to complete projects. If they need a project board or whatever, we need to provide it for them. Since our school transitioned to this a couple of years ago, I have made more of my instruction project-based. That way all kids have a chance to succeed.

And I hear the thoughts of those who say, "how are we ever going to hold people accountable?" I think, however, that you have to make a distinction here. Elementary school children are sometimes as young as 4-5. They have no control over what they can/can't do in life. They are dealing with the hand they have been dealt, be it wonderful, loving parents, or deadbeat parents that don't care. We are the ones who have to care and as such, teach the accountability piece.

Middle and high school are different. The children there need to take responsibility on a much larger scale. They can do it if we, as elementary school teachers, provide the scaffold for that learning.

luvtulearn 12-24-2017 03:04 PM

Our fifth grade teachers seem to have a lot of projects going. . .some in class some out . . .I really don't know their process but at my former school that was 99% free lunch (whole school Title 1) my colleague would say it was much more time consuming, difficult, and draining to involve parents than without. For the history project he conferenced with them one on one and then distributed directions, materials (yes the board too) , and all required paperwork for them to complete at home. ( all provided by our site) If they chose not to engage in a project they could opt to write a paper and he would assist them with editing during a specialist time. He would have 2-3 sample boards completed and would review the process a few times with them in small groups . He felt it was his job to teach them the process regardless if they followed through at home. He felt that in middle school and high school they may not front load the process like he did. . .and just assign it.

I am very against teachers providing materials for state or district mandated projects at home or in class. If the teacher chooses to do a class project for enrichment that's different.

teach_love 12-23-2017 06:53 AM

I have a rule to not assign anything that I am not willing to provide all supplies if needed. I send a note home with the project for parents to let me know if students need any materials and provide a list of materials that I am willing to supply. There are some parents who will go over the top and spend $30 on a task that can be done with just paper and crayons. I'm not funding excess. However, I will provide any materials needed that are reasonable. I will give the child the option of working during breakfast, recess, when they finish before others, and bus loading, totally optional, but I will not take away my lessons to provide the time. This helps those students build a sense of responsibility that they aren't getting from home, because it provides them with the materials and the time, they just have to figure out how to manage it.

Love-Teach 12-17-2017 02:42 PM

That is hilarious and exactly why you won't see me assigning home projects. I think most teachers get away from that once they've been teaching a few years, or whenever they have/had school-aged children of their own! I also try to avoid homework that will take more than a maximum of 15 minutes for any child to complete. Including the least focused little ones.

kahluablast 12-17-2017 07:55 AM

I believe I used

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ďbigĒ and ďexpensiveĒ
because truthfully the $ you have to spend for a project is all relative, isn't it? I might be able to pop out $10-20 no problem, but someone else might not. I think buying science fair boards for $3 is expensive, especially when it is thrown away afterwards. Doesn't really matter what it is, it is an expense that might not be in the budget and then it is expensive. . Either way, if there are specific supplies to purchase, someone is going to think they are expensive. I already bought school supplies, why should I need to buy more "stuff?" Have you seen some of the projects sent home? Have you thought about why teachers don't do them in school? Messy, require materials not readily kept at school, or more supplies than one teacher would want to provide...

Can you tell I don't like home projects as a parent? Although I get why we do them, and I do like that some of them require my child to come up with her own ideas and be creative, I also saw how many times she redid the same project in different years for different teachers... The more years I teach, the more I don't like home projects.
Zia 12-17-2017 07:42 AM

kahlua, have you seen this? Your post made me think of it.

rlyndecker 12-17-2017 07:33 AM

I see it both ways...I think parents SHOULD help their kids or they shouldn't have had kids BUT I teach (now, 10 years ago it wasn't that way) where many kids don't have that support...

My reports/projects have always been pretty easy, I have always supplied anything they needed.

I've taught 2nd-now 5th

When I did state reports last year, they were required to check out books from our school library to do the report, they were required to write to the state (that was assigned, we did do this part in class) tourism office to get more information then I saw nothing wrote with requiring them to do it all at home. I went over everything step by step in class of how it was to be done.

I didn't expect a parent to help. They didn't need it to be typed, they needed it to be written neatly if they couldn't type it. If they didn't have paper at home, I did provide binder paper and a piece of plain paper for the map & the cover. Those were the only "supplies" they absolutely had to have.

But I also only gave the supplies to students whom I knew were making an effort, the ones who checked the book out of the library etc.

Even the little kids, at 2nd grade, you know who's going to make an effort and who's not.

There are plenty of great/easy projects that can be independent at home and require no parental support for every grade.

Zia 12-17-2017 07:11 AM

Just because that particular woman has access to the internet (and you don't know her data plan), doesn't mean everyone does. My kids have access to the internet, but I am still bothered that some schools REQUIRE internet access to do classwork. If it is required, it should be provided.

Just my two cents.

CurlieGirl 12-16-2017 02:08 PM

I had a conference this week with a parent who interrupted what I was saying to her to check a message on a smartphone that was nicer and newer than mine. Later, I saw a FB post she had shared about how x% of students who are assigned homework requiring computers do not have access, and how all school should watch the related video. I just thought, you are holding a microcomputer in your hand YOUR four kids could use for some of this work. And have enough data in your plan to get on social media. It just makes you go, hmmm....

word girl 12-16-2017 05:49 AM

I'd like to point out that just because the parents might not provide a lot of support for projects at home does not mean they are crappy parents. (Thank you Daffodils, for pointing this out first.)

Yes, there are crappy parents (as Tawaki so eloquently described), but there are also wonderful parents who happen to work nights, or two jobs, or are going to school themselves, or have limited English, or limited access to the internet, or no car to drive the student to Walmart to buy the supplies, or whatever, but they are not crappy parents.

Some of the comments in this thread are feeling a little judgy.

Angelo 12-15-2017 08:03 PM

I love how, according to some responses to this thread, the project to which the OP referred has become “big” and “expensive”.

I would point out that neither “big” nor “expensive” appears in the original post.

seenthelight 12-15-2017 07:17 PM

Iím sorry, but it is 21. If I am to provide for one child, I need to be willing to provide for all the children.

MrsFrazzled 12-15-2017 05:09 PM

There have been a lot of good responses. I donít think it is your responsibility to do so but I teach high school. And one thing that we see a lot of is that students will claim they canít pay fees or dues but yet you see them with the newest iPhone or android phone while wearing the beats by dre headphones and an expensive pair shoes.

In the past, Iíve assigned a project building a model or an atom and I tell them they donít have to spend anything on it. They can build it out of materials they already have in their home. Many still refuse to do it so I didnít even attempt it this year.

But a lot of times it comes down to priorities. Yes, some students really canít afford it but the majority can.

Agamemnon 12-15-2017 05:06 PM

This has been one of the most interesting and thought-provoking threads I have read on The Vent. Both sides have made excellent points.

I taught a self-contained class for students with significant disabilities. One of my students came from a horrible home background. The parent spent each week-end drinking theirself (I know, grammar and spelling, but I do not want to reveal any genders!) into a stupor. The student regularly slept in his/her clothes, and wore them again the next day after wetting the bed in the clothes.

I took my class on a semi-annual field trip; the field trip was paid for by a civic club, but the students did have to bring a sack lunch. This student regularly showed up without a lunch. I expressed my frustration to my mentor - a teacher with both experience and wisdom - who told me that I was not responsible for teaching the parent, I was responsible for teaching the student. She emphasized the word "teaching". My system was a small rural county where everyone knew just about everyone else, so the student's home situation was commonly known.

I worked with my student for several weeks about bringing his/her lunch, talking about what he/she wanted to eat and drink, how she/he would pack it in a bag with his/her name on the outside, etc. We role-played that if the student forgot his/her lunch, they would have nothing to eat while their classmates ate lunch. The whole class practiced reminding the student to bring his/her lunch. Most importantly, I clarified to the adults what I wanted to teach the student and why it was important for the student to learn that. All of my adults - assistants, chaperones, and bus driver - were on board. The day came and the student came with no lunch. I was so upset but I knew I had to follow through with the natural consequences. I couldn't eat my own lunch, however, and neither could my bus driver (and he didn't miss too many meals . I viewed the whole episode as a failure.

The next time we went on the field trip, the student brought a sack lunch! I couldn't believe it! The student brought a sack lunch for every field trip after that! A year later I saw the parent, who told me that the student "Pestered the stew out of me!" to get supplies for packing a lunch for field trips. About 6-7 years later when the student had moved from my class to the adult program, one of the workers told me that the student always showed up with a lunch when needed.

My mentor taught me one of the most valuable lessons I ever received about teaching: my responsibility was to teach. My role was not to provide, my role was not to ignore, my role was to teach. No matter what age group we teach or what subject matter we teach, we all have the fundamental goal of moving our students from dependence to independence.

TexTeacher 12-15-2017 02:49 PM

I do think itís our job to meet kids where they are at. We usually assign alternate projects that can be completed at school when they come in without an at home project. We have really done away with 95% of the at home projects.

Opal 12-15-2017 01:49 PM

I taught 3rd grade for eight years and there was a project around thanksgiving that the kids had to do at home.....every year I had 1-3 kids that could not manage it....

I always anticipated this and had some simple materials available and the kids did the project during their recess...

I never thought anyone should be penalized for having a rough home life....

I also grew up in a home with parents that could never have been available for a school project that is done at home....

Sam5 12-15-2017 04:53 AM

I was that child with those parents. I would now have made it through school and become a successful adult without the help and understanding of some very caring teachers who helped and encouraged me like my parents should have. It wasn't my fault,


When I assigned a project, I always made sure that projects were able to be completed with simple supplies. I always asked those students I knew if they needed me to provide something and asked them needed any help along the way.

Davies1030 12-15-2017 04:06 AM

If I'm understanding the OP's message correctly, it's ONE student who is needing this support. I'm NOT telling her to go out and buy enough supplies for every single student in the room. I'm saying, this ONE needs the materials from somewhere other than home.

But that is BESIDE the point. The materials CAN and SHOULD still be school-provided. As in, NOT out of the teacher's pocket.

Here's the bottom line question. Do you want the project to be completed? If yes, you're gonna have to suck it up and help the student.

MissESL 12-14-2017 08:34 PM

My Classroom Truth:
If it canít be done with paper and glue...itís not happening.

I can still teach my students without the bells and whistles. I donít consider it lack of commitment or equity. I consider it using the tools available at my disposal to provide them with an education.

Zia 12-14-2017 08:27 PM

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So letís jump ahead to high school. When the term paper is assigned that includes research and footnotes does that mean a child without home support will expect the teacher to sit and do it with them? I think not.
I think this is sort of like saying, "Don't tie your 2 year old's shoes. He'll expect it when he's 12!"

I think if we do it right, the need for support goes away.
kidsrterrific 12-14-2017 05:40 PM

I taught fifth grade, and yes they had a state project that as a fifth grader they should be able to do at home independently given the right directions and format (at school). It is not the teacher’s responsibility to do it with them at school.

Personally if I knew a student did not have home support, I would give them guidance from the beginning of the project. I would also allow them time at school to work on it when I was available for support.

So let’s jump ahead to high school. When the term paper is assigned that includes research and footnotes does that mean a child without home support will expect the teacher to sit and do it with them? I think not.

seenthelight 12-14-2017 05:27 PM

No, Iím sorry. Itís not the same thing. I provide for my child and budget accordingly to meet his needs. It is much more financially feasible for me to get the supplies for my ONE child than to expect his teacher to get the supplies for her TWENTY-ONE children. Also at least in my case, it would be and not the school supplying. It would come out of my wallet. Not okay. That project that would have cost the parent $10-20, less if they keep supplies around the house (separate vent, but crayons, markers, scissors, glue should be in every childís home not just electronic devices), will cost me $200-$400 if I am to supply every student. Letís say $150 if I can scrounge up some of the supplies from what we have around the classroom and from other teachers. So yes, I scoff at buying supplies for students, and no it is not the same thing.

binkbonk 12-14-2017 09:14 AM

I know it sucks, but you cannot punish a child for not having home support. It isn't fair.

Tawaki 12-14-2017 06:09 AM

I understand both points of view. You are a teacher that cares. You pick out projects that are suppose to enrich and be fun too. It really sucks when parental units don't hold up their end of the bargain. It doubly sucks when administration doesn't seem to support you.

For a decent spin on the Karma Wheel, I might baby step this kid through the project. Paper from the recycle bin, scrappy crayons and pencil is pretty much all you need? Side of a large card board box for poster board. (get this from the custodian, they can almost always scrounge a box) A black Sharpie if you feel generous. Have the kid hustle on the down times at school. Supplies that cost you nothing. If it's during free time, you aren't missing your free time (lunch/recess). Maybe this will time the process finally clicks in the kid's head.

Hope today is better, and you have a restful weekend.

Davies1030 12-14-2017 05:50 AM

I would even venture to say that it is MORE your job than it is the parents' job! Never give a large project to a student without having some sort of back-up or emergency plan for those kids that are in this type of situation. Would you give a math assignment, but not provide a math book? The materials can be school-provided. I'm not saying it needs to come from your wallet, but the fact that some of you are scoffing at the idea of the teacher buying the materials just proves that some of the parents would be as well. If YOU don't want to buy them because YOU can't afford it, then the same is probably true for the parents. REGARDLESS, you've got a fifth grade student standing there....no support at home, knowing she has this project to do, but can't seem to get herself started. Maybe even embarrassed at how late it's gotten. Her teacher SHOULD be the savior here. This IS our job.

Sunny27 12-13-2017 11:14 PM

I appreciate all of your thoughtful replies. I have to be honest, and report I am feeling like Seenthelight. It is not my responsibility to pay for the supplies, and it does perpetuate the current trend of absolving parents and students of responsibility.

It is really easy for our principal to issue this mandate. He is not the one who has to spend his own money or spend his morning or lunch break working with this child.

When is it ever going to stop? We feed the kids breakfast, lunch, provide after school snacks, homework support and free babysitting. We provide counseling, dentistry services, free backpacks and supplies, etc... We basically do everything a parent should be providing at home, and it still isn't enough?

We are operating not only like a socialist country, we are crippling a future generation from being independent and self-sufficient.I had a student who gave a presentation (a persuasive speech ) that argued the need to provide free housing to every American. What is our world coming to?

Of course, I totally get that kids need support when there is little of it at home. Trust me, I do everything and then some to provide that support for them.

I guess I am just tired of being a teacher, parent, emergency room doctor, psychologist, clothing and shoes provider, lice and scabies checker, ear, nose, and throat specialist, conflict resolution manager, and a whole host of other titles that are becoming increasingly more difficult to perform when trying to address the challenging mandates of common core.

It is really just too much most days. Vent over.

P.S. Please do not admonish me, and say welcome to the world of teaching, etc...I know that. I just needed to vent.

seenthelight 12-13-2017 05:30 PM

Nope. Sorry. Not my responsibility. I donít have the funds to be supplying 25 kids with materials for projects, and the idea perpetuates the current trend of absolving parents and students of responsibility.

Angelo 12-13-2017 05:08 PM

Yeah. Never mind.

cruxian 12-13-2017 04:30 PM

Tawaki, thank you for your eloquence. I"m going to repeat they "did not ask to be born to those maniacs" every time I get irritated at a child for things that are out of their control.
To the OP, you ask why are we doing at school things that can be done at home? Um, it an ALL be done at home. At least in theory. Homeschooling, right? So why am I teaching a kid to read or recognize letters when, in theory, that can be done at home.
On a more practical note, what kind of project are you assigning and what is the purpose of the assignment? Is it fluff? Like a good project you won't have time for that would be awesome for kids to do but you just don't have time to do? Then give it as an optional assignment. Fun and educational for families but extra.
Is is essential to your instruction? Then why in the world are you sending it home? Have you seen how often the parents "help" (or do) the assignments for the kids? I want to make sure the kids are doing the work themselves. So if they hve to do it, they do it at school. Otherwsie I'm assuming parents helped out.
As to what will happen to our country if we're not sending boatloads of homework home? Honestly, not all forms of education are traditional in the academic sense. Many kids, mine included, benefit from educational opportunities outside of school that schools don't currently provide. She participates in a variety of athletic programs that the school does (or does not) offer but take place after school is out. She does artistic programs (theater, musical instruments, things like that). She does community service. She attends theater productions.
All of these educate her in a way her school doesn't. Instead of community service, she should be making a poster board?
And what kind of project do you assign that requires expensive materials? I agree about that separating the haves and have nots. Assignments that I give can be compelted with materials that I have on hand.

TaffyFL 12-13-2017 02:53 PM

I gave the kids the option to take their project home to work on it, but I gave them time and materials to complete it in class. I gave them access to markers, construction paper, and yarn. Beyond that, they could take it home and work on it there if they wanted.

Lakeside 12-13-2017 01:45 PM

If your principal made the decision, then he (or she) should be the one buying the supplies.

I would help the child during recess, though. It's not her fault she got crappy parents, and I'd want to give her a shot at breaking that cycle.

readnteach13 12-13-2017 11:59 AM

In an ideal world, I would love to have projects that students complete at home. However, if my students have parents that cannot even initial a reading log once a week, then I doubt they would be the type of parents to help out on projects and/or buy supplies.
Honestly, reading and physical activity are the only homework I ever give. If they fall behind on something I'll let them complete it during recess or lunch.
In my opinion, yes the parents SHOULD be doing this at home, but the fact is they will not. The student cannot help having parents who don't care. I'm not going to lower their grade for having bad or out of touch parents.

allier 12-13-2017 11:53 AM

Kids from homes where parents can't get it together are in a very tough situation. We have a number of kids in our school who live in cramped quarters, noisy homes with lots of siblings or a couple of families living together. Students do a fair number of projects, but they are allowed to do them in school. A 5th grader, 10-11 years old, might have some trouble negotiating all the negatives encountered in a dysfunctional home, but you know your students best and what they can or can't manage.

I try to give reading assignments that help prepare the student for the project. I also take note of which parents don't show up at conference time.

GiantSubs 12-13-2017 10:48 AM

I would say yes, but a 5th grader should be able to do the project on her own at home. If she needed supplies that her parents couldn't or wouldn't provide, she could've asked you for some. It's not her parents' project - it's her project. If it's grade level appropriate, which I'm assuming it is, then parent support is not required and should not be expected to be provided at school. This one is on the kid.

travelingfar 12-13-2017 07:28 AM

I don't think children should be expected to do projects at home. Not everyone can afford the materials or has support from their parents.

I never sent home things like that. However, if it was a requirement that I do so, I would have helped children who didn't have the resources to complete them.

GreyhoundGirl 12-13-2017 06:51 AM

I stopped assigning at home projects after my first two years in the classroom. The parents either did it FOR the kids or as Tawaki said, they didn't care. Either way, it wasn't accomplishing my goal. Now, anything that I want done, we do in class.

Gogogo 12-13-2017 06:44 AM

Yes, it would be great if the parents could help with these projects -- but as you have experienced, some don't.

Look at it from that child's perspective -- everybody else's patents are helping and they are on their own. What a special bond and kindness you can provide by helping this child complete the project. The child would appreciate it more than you can imagine.

kahluablast 12-13-2017 05:42 AM

I have seen a lot of projects that either require families to buy sometimes pricey materials (edible cell projects) or encourage it (dress like your biography/character). I was just listening to a woman who ordered some Viking outfit from someplace overseas so that her son could dress right for his presentation.

Somewhere these things got a little crazy. And expensive. And then there is a bigger space between the haves and have nots.

I don't think any home project should be expensive or require lots of materials. Time is okay, but more and more, people don't have time. I try not to send much other than day to day classwork. That means I don't do home projects as a rule. I think if we assign them, then we either get a lot of parent work, or a lot of no work. No work frustrates me, because if it is a worthwhile project, then the kid is missing something if they don't do it, so they have to do it. Then I have to find a way to get them the time at school. Easier to just make the time in class for all or not to do the project.

It has taken me a long time to get to this point.

Zia 12-13-2017 05:09 AM

Tawaki states the issue really well:

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I didn't ask to be born to those maniacs. As a kid I had no real power. My goal in life was not to have anyone p*ssed off at me. The main two being my teachers or parents. No 5 year old should have that goal.
I think it is my job is to do what needs doing so my students are successful. Equity. Now, my students are Kinders, and need more support than say, a 6th grader, but I do believe it is my job to support my students' education. I also don't assign homework and very few at home projects.
daffodils 12-13-2017 05:05 AM

I don't think it's your job to buy supplies with personal money. The principal, school, PTO or district should supply. However, I do know that there are definitely times that the kid does not have the home life situation that will buy supplies or help with a project.

The parents may be the most supportive, loving parents and really want their children to have a good education, but are working two jobs and all the money they make goes to food and rent and other true necessities.

The parents may be the crappiest parents ever and don't give a D***. Should the kid be penalized for that?

I suggest creating projects that can be done with supplies from school (like get started at school and then take home if you need more time). I'd tell kids a few days in advance that we were working on posters or whatever and they could bring extra supplies if they wanted to but I'd provide paper, markers, crayons, glue. Kids would bring other things, but they could accomplish it without bringing anything and often kids would share extra supplies. Or our project would be in the computer lab. I'd tell kids if they didn't finish in the time given, they'd have to finish at home (my school pretty much every kid had a computer at home they could use). That allowed the one or two who didn't to do it at school (and I could provide extra time if needed in the morning or recess or something)

NerdTeach 12-13-2017 04:31 AM

It's not fair that you're being expected to buy the supplies and give extra time, etc. But that's the situation you're in.

I think you have probably two good options:

1. Ask for supplies from the principal and work with the student during extra periods like lunch to be in your room, working on the project. I wouldn't spend a bunch of your own money on it, but if the school can provide the supplies, then this is a good option. The student won't feel left out, and it will give you some time with them one-on-one to make sure everything is okay at home.

2. Give an alternative assignment that doesn't require many materials, if any. Powerpoint project, or writing a paper, or making a poster with information printed at the library.

I know that the second option isn't ideal, but it's likely that your student is embarrassed already. At least they would have something to turn into you, and could feel like they at least tried. I know that growing up, we didn't have extra money, and the only reason I ever got any out-of-school projects completed were because I spent my own money, or was in a group with my friends whose parents understood my situation and would eat the cost completely.

Tawaki 12-13-2017 03:59 AM

I was that kid. It's by the grace of God, and the mercy of other adults I didn't drop out at 16.

My parents had no f*cks to give about ANY class projects. Both considered them time sinks, money wasters and were only done to make the teacher look good to the higher ups. Also, since when should the parent taking over the teacher's job? (their opinion)

My dad worked 12 hours in a foundry near a blast furnace. Worrying about a state project on Florida wasn't on the radar.

This attitude was circa 1969-1982. It's been around for a long time.

So...I had no quiet spot to do home work. No one really bought me any supplies. No one even asked if I needed help. When I told my parents I had a project to do...I was SCREAMED at. Like watching the local weather news and recording the data. You'd think I was BBQing infants on the front lawn. Another scream fest was recording how many electrical outlets out home had and what was plugged into them. (learning about conservation?)

Any simple project like that turned into a nightmare. Forget things like a big project. My parents bought nothing.

My life for school projects from K-9 was parents screaming and teacher looking at me in disgust.

What did I do? Became a very creative liar and learn not to tell my parents ANYTHING . I'd fudge data like the outlet project. I'd snag enough scrappy paper for book report covers.

I didn't ask to be born to those maniacs. As a kid I had no real power. My goal in life was not to have anyone p*ssed off at me. The main two being my teachers or parents. No 5 year old should have that goal.

The district I live in does not give take home projects because either a) the parents do it all or b) there is no support at home. The projects tell you more about what is going on at home than if the kid learned anything.

apple annie 12-12-2017 09:57 PM

I think it is, at least in elementary school. A kid shouldn't be penalized because he has no parental support. If I assign an at home project, I give them a chance to get it done at home, but I extend the date and help kids complete it if they haven't turned it in by the given date. I dhope not count off for late proj cts if they have to work n it at school. They do have to do it during recess or any free time they have though. That's just for projects, though. Regular homework assignments must be done at home, as I don't assign anything that students can't complete on their own.

devil's advo 12-12-2017 08:35 PM

OK, let me state something here...what will our country's future be like if we do not hold students and parents accountable? Why are we doing in the classroom what use to be done at home? Other countries are way ahead of us for a reason...the teachers are the only people who care about education in our country...the students and the parents don't. I often feel like many parents can't be botheted by educating, let alone raising, their child. Seriously, where will we be in a generation?

ElemSped13 12-12-2017 08:02 PM

I think it is, whether it should be or not. It is hard when you consider that we are held to higher standards than a kid's own parents.

We don't ask or expect anything to come from home or be done at home. We assign minimal hw and give time in class to get it done.

cruxian 12-12-2017 07:08 PM

I"m not sure what supplies are required for the project but we aren't allowed to grade assignments that are assigned to do at home. Not to say they can't do parts at home (like if they opt for a science project and some of it involves work done at home, then that's cool). For a variety of reasons (including a variety of levels of parental involvement), home-based projects are graded at my school.
So, yes, that's expected. Are there things that I ask parents to do? Yes. Read with them. Here are some options for science fair projects. Numbers 1, 3, and 5 must be done at home but 2, 4, 6, and 7 can be completed at school. Review multiplication facts.
But....I assume they aren't doing these things.

Sunny27 12-12-2017 05:27 PM

I am a fifth grade teacher in a southern state, and have been teaching for 3 years. I am a very dedicated teacher, and am very supportive of my students.
I have a student who has little support at home, and has not done her state project. It was due last week, and she has not even started it yet..
Our principal believes that if a student does not have support at home, that we, as teachers, should provide all of the support at school. This includes providing the child with all of the supplies needed, and working with that child at school to see that the project gets completed. Basically, that we step in as a parent should be doing at home.

Any thoughts on this?




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