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They can't duplicate the keys, but they can duplicate the kids

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BadKitty 10-20-2019 08:39 AM

It also needs to be noted that the highest number of students killed at Newtown were in an unlocked classroom with a substitute teacher who died shielding them.

That's scary to think about; I never thought about that doors are always kept locked at our schools except for the classes that have subs.. those rooms are unlocked in the mornings by a custodian and stay unlocked for that day .
Lady Teacher 10-19-2019 08:20 PM

This isn't to get classroom keys, the custodian opens the classroom, but the keycard access pass that subs get so they can get back into the building without walking around to the front door and being buzzed in. It's optional, but I teach in a large building and with the new safety protocols, all outside doors must remain locked and can't be propped open. Students have been taught not to let in students or adults. We teach them that authorized adults should have a keycard to let themselves in and wouldn't need to get a student to do it.

Our secretary was trying to think of something that subs would need/care about enough to return the key cards at the end of the day and yes, for security reasons, our entire building would need to be redone.

Subs don't have to do it, but once they realize what a pain it is to get back inside if they take a class to recess or to lunch, they usually leave their keys.

yellowflowers 10-19-2019 06:39 PM

What if you got dropped off? I used to get dropped off lots of times when I was car-juggling with my son before he got his own wheels. What would they do then?

broomrider 10-19-2019 04:18 PM

I went to a board meeting and explained that I'd asked my insurance agent about this. He said that the employee was accepting liability for my car and its contents on behalf of the district by requiring I turn over my car key. Magic word: Liability. Policy changed immediately.

My alternative suggestion if the key policy did not change was to offer to inventory the contents of my car with the employee and note the mileage, have both of us sign off in the morning and re-inventory and check mileage in the afternoon when I was ready to leave. They don't trust me, I don't trust them. Well, er, how about trust, but verify. I'm only doing this in order to cover the secretary's liability. That ought to make 'em think twice about such a policy. So disrespectful.

I attended a secretaries' meeting as a substitute's representative when the new policy was explained. Some of the secretaries were upset. The administrator present told them they(the secretaries) would be liable if someone claimed a computer or other expensive equipment was missing from the sub's car when they had custody of the key. I also told them about the times I'd had to toss the classroom keys across the office to land on a secretary's desk because no one at all was present in any part of the office when I left. There was was thoughtful silence after that.

It also needs to be noted that the highest number of students killed at Newtown were in an unlocked classroom with a substitute teacher who died shielding them.

mrsd5 10-19-2019 02:58 PM

Especially now that they are installing self-closing doors that are kept locked. We don't get keys as subs. The other day, I "borrowed" the key and told the secretary that if someone needed it, send them my way. I worked in that school for 20 years. They know they can trust me. She's trying to get a couple of copies of keys for subs. Right now, only p.e. subs can get keys so kids can get into the locked locker rooms. So stupid.

MAsped 10-19-2019 11:32 AM

I've never heard of such a thing!

That particular district must have trouble with a lot of their subs leaving early or returning late from lunch breaks.

So, what if you want to drive somewhere for lunch? I hope they give you your keys for that, my God.

bGracie 10-19-2019 10:06 AM

Is that even legal? Car keys are your personal property. I don't think they can legally take them.

Summerwillcom 10-19-2019 07:56 AM

I loved Dutch girl's idea. Problem solved!
They do not do that here though. The secretary let's subs into the classroom.
If a teacher loses keys, they are charged 500 bucks, they say..
They say it pays to have the whole school rekeyed. I am not sure how they can legally get away w/ that or if they have told us that to scare us.
Only 1 teacher I know (will admit to) having lost her keys. About 10 yrs ago, she misplaced them.
She could not get a new key from the office, so we'd let her in the room. I remember they told her that she'd have to pay, but I don't remember if she did or not. She moved into a new house/ city at the end of the year ( summer) and found the keys after school was closed.

choppie70 10-19-2019 07:34 AM

Our district does this, even with subs who are former teachers.

We have had issues with keys not being returned, or keys going "missing" and in return things get taken from the school building.

Keys are a hot commodity at my school. There are not enough keys for all staff members to have a key to the outside doors. They are fairly expensive to replace as they cannot be copied.

km 10-19-2019 06:35 AM

When I subbed, the district I worked in required subs to sign in and sign out. This was tied to our pay or something. Granted, this was twenty years ago but I always felt that this procedure was appropriate and even prevented subs from having to stay beyond contract hours.
In my district now subs get badges. They turn on the badge in the morning and turn it off in the afternoon. Subs still sign in and out but if a badge is lost, they can just turn it off. They might get a key for the actual door but sometimes custodians just open the classroom door for subs.
I just wish that people making up these policies would think about how they can solve their problem and still treat people with respect.

EllyTeaches 10-19-2019 06:17 AM

That's ridiculous. At our school someone like a custodian or secretary comes around and unlocks the door for teachers who will be absent.

I don't think the school should give substitutes keys to the classroom, but their "solution" is just absurd. If I had to leave for an emergency and couldn't because the office had my keys, I would be so angry

Lakeside 10-19-2019 05:22 AM

Two of my elementaries keep sub's driving licenses (per district policy) in an envelope in the office. That actually bothers me more, because it's still entirely possible for me to leave with their badge and forget to pick up my license. - If they had my keys instead, I'd realize it in the parking lot.

That said, I've known both of those secretaries for years, and have no issues with them holding on to something for me. If you're in a more unfamiliar situation, I agree with the advice to just keep a fake set of keys in your sub bag, and give them that.

travelingfar 10-19-2019 03:26 AM

No . . . nope . . . no can do. I wouldn't be subbing at that school.

chipmunky 10-18-2019 04:41 PM

a driver's license? I understand having to show it, but for them to keep it seems ridiculous.

BTW- I lived 3 houses from the school I was reassigned to.I could walk to school, so, no car keys, or would I give them keys to a car that was in my garage?

I understand security, but this is going too far and not well thought out.

TAOEP 10-18-2019 01:25 PM

I attended an IEP meeting last week (not as an employee and not in the district where I worked). In order to enter the building I had to show my driver's license (or state ID), which they kept until I turned in my visitor's pass on the way out.

annie_g 10-18-2019 11:54 AM

Well, I would have turned around and walked out.

BadKitty 10-18-2019 10:23 AM

Um that's crazy.
Our custodians always unlock the door for subs.
Whenever we go outside, we're with other classes (same grade level), so there's always a teacher with a working badge to let subs in.
I would never sub at a school that required me to hand in my car keys.
What if they got a ride that day and didn't have keys? Or just didn't have a car? Do they have to hand over their wallet??? No thank you.

Lottalove 10-18-2019 10:03 AM


Although I haven't subbed for years, I accidentally took the sub keys home at least twice... maybe three times. In one case, it wasn't a terribly huge issue as I was in for the same teacher the very next day.

In another case, it was horrid. I was subbing in another district the next day and didn't realize it until I got to the other school the next day. The distance between the schools meant I could not return them after school that day and had to wait another day.

So, I can see why they do it but there has to be a better way.

P.S. I am a full time teacher now. I disagree with the PP above about leaving campus during lunch and specials/plan. We do not leave for lunch--it's 22-25 minutes so not long enough to do much. And we can leave during plan block, after going through the proper channels, in an emergency or on a school related isolated instance--we cannot leave on a regular basis... Different schools have different rules.

Lilbitkm 10-18-2019 09:35 AM

They do this at my school for substitutes too, supposedly for the same reason.

I am not a substitute and still Iíve never understood it.. as teachers we can leave at lunch or our ďspecialsĒ time (whenever we arenít responsible for students), why canít substitutes?
Our lunch is 25 minutes so I never leave during that time for planning is 50 minutes, we just have to sign out/in. We have tons of fast food/wal-mart/wawa all within 3 miles away.

Tori58 10-18-2019 04:16 AM

I wouldn't appreciate that at all. I suppose they've had issues with theft but it's unfair to assume that subs are at fault. There are lots of ways for unauthorized keys to get into the hands of the wrong people. It happened at a school that I worked at and that school didn't allow subs to have keys at all. That school finally switched to fobs that identify who is coming and going at the school and what times they're there.

I think that would probably be the last day I subbed in that district.

juliet4 10-18-2019 04:07 AM

Nope. I would just say no to that request. If you leave, who will cover the class?? The secretary??

SubMan 10-17-2019 09:48 PM

I have to do this at one school where I sub. I have done as others have done and provide fake keys because of the problems associated with providing my real keys.

At this school the secretaries are out the door at four in order to attend a fitness class at the nearby middle school. The first busses come back to make a second trip. Substitutes are frequently held over (with no additional pay) to supervise students until the busses pick up their second trip. I have been there until 4:15. This creates a problem with getting my keys back from a locked office.

Not surprisingly this school and district has trouble getting subs. This year they are surveying subs to find out why we donít want to work there.

Tiamat 10-17-2019 08:43 PM

Find an old car key somewhere, put a loop on it and hand it over. Just donít forget to collect it as you skip out at the end of the day. I wouldnít be handing over my real car key.

Zulbi 10-17-2019 08:28 PM

If I wasnít trying to get hired by the district or really needed the job I would get these. Completely ridiculous.
, They deserve it,
Zulbi 10-17-2019 08:26 PM

If you need the work, I'd make a fake set of keys for future requests
Great Idea!,, I will do that
Teddi9192 10-17-2019 07:26 PM

If I wasnít trying to get hired by the district or really needed the job I would get these. Completely ridiculous.

ICrazyTeach 10-17-2019 07:03 PM

I'd make a fake set of keys for future requests.
Yes! Exactly what you need to do. I get that they apparently have a problem, but their solution is stupid.
Zulbi 10-17-2019 06:45 PM

I know right, wallets, my shoes, my glasses for real

KT_203 10-17-2019 06:44 PM

Oh my god. I would NOT like this at all!!!!

dutchgirl 10-17-2019 06:37 PM


If you need the work, I'd make a fake set of keys for future requests.

Fractured 10-17-2019 06:33 PM

Are people leaving during their prep? Every district Iím in expects you to come in when the teachers do most of the time and they always say you canít leave campus except for lunch. Even if my prep is the last period I just hang out in the room.

Still, if they canít treat me like Iím a professional, I wouldnít work there.

teachnkids 10-17-2019 06:19 PM

At least you get keys. I know of districts that don't give keys or access cards for returning to the building after recess.

I would not want to give them my car keys, but I get why they do it. Maybe something else would be a better choice. How about my wallet? It's empty so it's got no value!

kahluablast 10-17-2019 06:07 PM

It is a way to get people to return keys, which it seems must be a big problem in the area.

Personally, I would let them walk down and unlock the door for me before I gave them my keys.

Fractured 10-17-2019 05:45 PM

Thatís so disrespectful. I would honestly walk out and cross them off my list.

Zulbi 10-17-2019 05:44 PM

They can't duplicate the keys, but they can duplicate the kids

Zulbi 10-17-2019 05:42 PM

.. Talk about trust.. To say I was shocked is an understatement ...

Teddi9192 10-17-2019 05:42 PM

So you can be responsible for 25 lives but not a key?? That make a lot of sense. Do you hear my sarcasm

tgbwc 10-17-2019 05:39 PM

Thatís new to me. Glad to know they trust you and test you as a professional adult.

Zulbi 10-17-2019 05:32 PM

Today I was a substitute at a district for the first time. When I got there I was told I need to hand in my car keys. .
I called the district human resource, to see if this is actually a thing or not. To my surprise I was told, "You'll receive your car keys when you return the classroom keys.".. I told them that the teacher was actually in the classroom she was pulling students to test them, therefore, I didn't need a key . Then I was told " It's their way of making sure you remain in the building ". Which I then pointed out that they have us sign in and sign out , so why should I give you MY car key. Also, since they don't trust me, why should I trust them, who is responsible if something goes missing from my car?...

Ps: There was another sub today, they told her they didn't have her car keys,,,
then after 3 people searched they finally founded in their office .

please tell me this non-sense don't happen any where else.??

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