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I know there is already a thread about "notes to sub," but it is SO different from what I'm talking about that I thought I needed to start a new thread.

I have ALWAYS done the following, at least (more, of course, if the teacher asks for it).

Period #

Students that are absent.

Stuff that happened the entire period, which could be a lot depending on what happened.

Staple all passes, etc., to the paper.
etc.

It usually ends up 3/4 of the page, and I write kindof small.

A couple of days ago I subbed the second day of a two day absence. This is what his note said, FOR THE ENTIRE DAY.

"Students were pretty much on task. The video was good and kept their attention. A lot of students left during 4th period for [whatever it was]. [One last sentence that I can't remember], so his entire sub note was FOUR sentences!

Does that seem adequate to you? (assuming the t didn't specifically ask for anything else) He didn't even write down the ABSENT STUDENTS.

One other thing, I had written something in a note to a teacher that I know (about a specific student). I asked her about the student [He had asked what the next topic was going to be because he wanted to go ahead]. I told him that I thought it was going to be "ionic and covalent bonds." I told her about this great student and she said "who was it?" I said that I didn't know, but I had put it in the note. I don't think she even read it? Am I putting too much into my note?

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InTheZone 11-15-2018 04:09 PM

People have different demeanors and appreciate different things. I know there are teachers that read the notes because they talked to me about what I wrote or they just told me. I also had a teacher tell me she requested me because I kept her aware of what occurred in her classroom in my note. I believe in writing a concise note with important details to help facilitate instruction for the following day. I know there are teachers that don’t read them, which is a given. I do believe people show people what they value by where they spend their time. If I was a teacher, I would read it, but that’s me. I feel I did my job by writing it, so I do it.

dietcoke99 11-12-2018 10:11 AM

By the way, if you want to quit, do so, but don't blame it on me (well, I know you will, but you *shouldn't,* blame it on me, put it that way...). You get my drift.

dietcoke99 11-12-2018 09:26 AM

This is amazing to me.

I'm the one that's always talking about this not becoming a "bashing" list, like it was when I first started (and quit at that time because of this).

I was a teacher for 10 years, by the way, so I'm not just writing all over these boards about how terrible teachers are), as was insinuated. I am now "compaining against teachers , because I feel strongly about a particular topic. I may have over-reacted, but I hardly think THIS WAS WARRANTED. This is worse to me and those who know me on here than what I wrote.

I don't feel appreciated, especially when I so defend teachers on here and I try to help others on here as much as I can. This poster shows how he can take one post and extrapolate it into saying that I am "compaining against teachers." Wow

Wasn't I just the one, a couple of days ago, taking a chance at being removed from the list, who wanted to make sure that everybody knew about the TEACHERS and busdrivers who were taking students away from the fire?

And this is just *one* example.

I know I over-reacted, but shouldn't the subs be given the same latitude that was given to the teachers described above? I have not been doing well, either.

I hadn't been coming back to read this thread because I didn't want to read things like this, anymore. I did because I got an email about something being "spam" and I wanted to know if it was something I wrote, or it may have been the thread I started about the fire. Or it could have been somebody like this poster just wanting to get rid of me?

I am sitting here waiting a possible diagnosis, frustrated because of the losing of my lab results, etc., so if over-reacting is the worst thing I do, I think that's pretty good, and I (and the other subs) should be given the same latitude as the teachers are given in the description above.

MaineSub 11-11-2018 02:12 AM

Quote:
...To assume that a teacher is lazy and doesn't care about the students isn't fair, and to assume that they are disrespecting you, when you are not even there in the room... well, it seems to me like you are looking for a problem when there doesn't need to be one.
I couldn't agree more... I've been on this forum for quite a few years and every so often, it seems to become a "teacher bashing" forum. When it gets too much so, I drop out for a while. I understand the need to vent but there's a difference between venting and campaigning against teachers based on personal bias and assumptions.

This post was originally about the length of notes. Several teachers and former teachers have posted very real comments based on life as it is. I've taken over for a regular teacher who suddenly became horribly ill. She stuck it out for an hour until I could get there, managing to continue teaching and leaving me a "lesson plan" consisting of three yellow sticky notes. We got through it--actually had a pretty good day.

I remember how crazy things are first thing in the morning on those days when I sub. We share the same challenges--one difference is that I walk away at the end of the day--and actually can choose not to come back.

I've worked with (and for) many, many different teachers over my years as a sub. I have a great deal of respect and admiration for them. They are human beings and not all perfect but the vast majority are dedicated to the mission of educating children.

As a sub, I personally want to be fairly low on the teacher's list of priorities. Leave me an adequate lesson plan if at all possible. (I've seen sick teachers at school early in the morning making sure everything was ready for the sub). I'll take it from there. I certainly am not going to blame you (the teacher) for what happens on my watch... and I'll write you a quick note at the end of the day to let you know any important details. No RSVP required unless you have a question or concern. I know you're busy.
dietcoke99 11-10-2018 03:43 PM

That's right, they could just put the note in the trash w/o ripping it lol.

This post, along with another one that I can't seem to find (more for the other post that I can't find), have showed me that I would be better off not making my own ideas, etc. known. I write too much, anyway.

To not reply to almost any posts (because they only want agreement).

Maybe only *responding* to others' threads or ideas because I truly feel like I have a lot to give in some circumstances.

To not respond in a way that can be thought of as controversial.

To not let the fishhook get into my mouth b/c my mouth was open <thank you to the other poster.>

I'm not looking for agreement (or non-agreement) so no reply is necessary or sympathy.

sevenplus 11-10-2018 03:23 PM

I've gotten 2 page notes and 2 word notes. I read with anticipation any note. It's the first thing I do when I return. I actually leave the longer ones in my plan book. I appreciate any and all feedback about my students, my plans, and my classroom.

I don't expect a long note, but I do enjoy reading them.

mkesub 11-10-2018 03:16 PM

Last week the advice columnist Carolyn Hax said "Choose not to take things personally and watch most problems go away."


We're talking about a teacher in the privacy of his or her own classroom not reading every word of a note addressed to him or her. It's not like we're saying they would be ripping it up in your face or something.. I'm surprised that the thought of this would cause so much sarcasm and anger.



A teacher may have trust in his or her students and want to use all of their limited time to get ready for the new day, knowing that they will be able to find out from the students how things went the previous day. Keep in mind the teacher has been gone for a day and may have been sick or dealing with a sick child or family member, or attending a seminar or training. To assume that a teacher is lazy and doesn't care about about the students isn't fair, and to assume that they are disrespecting you, when you are not even there in the room... well, it seems to me like you are looking for a problem when there doesn't need to be one.

dietcoke99 11-10-2018 02:36 PM

At least I've learned that simply writing "Great!" for an entire day, no absences or anything, is great for teachers (and complain if it isn't only 1 word).

I always THOUGHT teachers cared about what happened in their absence (*I* always did).

If I remember right, I was happy either way, and I certainly didn't complain if it was long, and I certainly gave them (and my students) the respect of at least READING IT. There was information in there about them, for God's sake, not just the writer being psychotic and venting their life on it.

If the information were sitting right in front of me I would want to know what happened in their absence because I would want to know (and CARE) about what they wrote. It it sitting right in front of me! I guess most teachers don't want or care enough to know.

I guess some teachers haven't read my notes, apparently, which still shows lack of respect to me, but it won't happen again, because my note last time said "everything was great! because they don't care. Why waste my time?

*I* was happy either way and wouldn't just rip up a note because I didn't like it's length. I cared, either way.

It wont's happen again because it's "Great!" from now. If they don't care, neither do I.

If they want to be lazy, so will I. If they don't care, neither do I.

It's a lot easier for me, so I'm glad I now know. I guess I should have just written "Great!" instead of this post

MaineSub 11-10-2018 01:32 PM

My disclaimer is that most of the teachers I sub for are not strangers.

I keep my notes short. My experience has been that teachers don't want (or need) a lot of detail. I usually follow the day's schedule/lesson plan. I think it shows respect for the teacher's time. I'm writing the note for her/him, not to express myself.

I know I'm doing okay when the response to my report is "Sounds like a pretty typical day." (I also assume that no response is good news because it means there were no concerns or questions.)

The exception is exactly that--an exception. It may be positive or negative--a student who went above and beyond... or a classroom incident that may require follow up. The major focus of my note is how the lessons went and I use the pronoun "we" a lot.

For those who write long notes, consider the old saying, "Even a fish wouldn't get into trouble if he kept his mouth shut."

I once kept a student in from recess... when I asked him to tell me why he thought I'd kept him in he actually confessed to a lot of stuff that I hadn't noticed! I managed not to laugh... he wrapped up his confession with "I'm having trouble controlling myself today..." I managed not to say, "Obviously!"

dietcoke99 11-09-2018 05:22 PM

I agree about the male/female idea of SubMan. A male teacher told me one time that "as long as I get back and a bomb hasn't gone off, I'm happy."

Then I USED to read (on here) all the the horrific complaining about the subs from the females.

dietcoke99 11-09-2018 04:54 PM

I was a teacher for 10 years, and I could always "find the time" to take the few minutes it would take (at the most) to read a simple note that the sub spent much more the time writing. It WAS about MY class, for God's sake.

Are we really THAT busy?

It always seems that I'm hearing, in whatever profession, that they need more money/whatever because they don't have any time to [whatever it is].

I'm not saying the person here is wanting more money (I HIGHLY doubt that), but I wonder how much time we spend reading/writing these posts everyday? School IS in session right now. Probably ONE day of reading these posts would more than equal the amount of time it would take to read every single sub report for the year. How many subs do we actually have, anyway?

I'm truly not trying to be disrespectful here, just MHO and how I see it.

mkesub 11-09-2018 03:22 PM

Quote:
I think that if I write a note, no matter the length, the least the teacher could do is read it.

To do otherwise is disrespectful, IMHO


When I had my own classroom, there were times when life was SO busy that I had to cut any tasks in any way that I could. I would have very quickly skimmed a note like that to see if there was anything I needed to know. I would not have read every word and I certainly wouldn't have remembered details later.


IMHO, I would not consider this to be "disrespectful" to a sub. He or she wrote the note. I as a teacher have the right to treat that note any way I like. I'd compare it to getting a present I didn't like. I have the right to pass it along to Goodwill.



Just my opinion.
dietcoke99 11-09-2018 02:40 PM

I think that if I write a note, no matter the length, the least the teacher could do is read it.

To do otherwise is disrespectful, IMHO

SubMan 11-09-2018 09:38 AM

I look at the note/lesson plan the teacher left and follow that. If it is detailed I go in to more detail than if I had a short note left bu the teacher. It may be a generalization on my part but primary female teachers seem to want lots of detail while male secondary teachers just want absences and names of trouble makers.

dietcoke99 11-08-2018 08:26 PM

Today I did at mrsd5 does, and just wrote a line down the middle, absent students on the left, other stuff on the right.

I just wrote things like "got through ________ (whatever it was) and they took it home. That's it.

One period: Students were really chatty. Finished notes. On the desk.

I thought it was a lot easier, but now I see that others do it as I do, I think I will just take it class by class, I guess.

artladyhere 11-08-2018 06:03 PM

I do the same as you. I have seen leftover notes from other subs and it seems a lot like to do the summary of the day in paragraph form. I do hour by hour with bullet points.

Sirsubalot 11-08-2018 04:45 PM

I tend to write lengthy notes, especially in middle school.

I get bored without direct instruction so I monitor each student. I try to include, and sometimes even emphasize, the students who are doing well. I tell the students I am doing this as well.

If time allows, I will give each student a letter grade as well. I reserve comments for the very best or very poorest.

Sometimes I will write " if the name is not listed, the students did great", and will only note the ones I thought were talking too much or not focused.

If I did not take this time to be thorough, I would go crazy with boredom.

Tapdancesub 11-08-2018 03:06 PM

I list absent/tardy students

Whether we completed everything on the plan and names of any students who seemed to have difficulty.

General behavior of the class as a whole. I donít get into specific students unless someone was hurt or property was damaged.

My contact info if there are questions,concerns. Five or six sentences max. It has been my experience teachers donít want a rehash of the minutiae of the day.

mkesub 11-08-2018 02:22 PM

Honestly, I pretty often write only a few sentences. Sometimes I don't list absent students because we submit attendance online so they can easily look it up. My go-to note might say: Everything went well. We covered all the plans. No major behavior problems or other issues. Thanks! My Name.

mrsd5 11-08-2018 11:01 AM

Of course, if the teacher uses her own form, I use that. Otherwise, mine looks like this on a lined piece of paper.
Attendance Comments

P.1 No Absences - Awesome class
- Only got through Ch. 7 in novel

P. 2 Joe Blow - Went fine
Mary Smith (T) - Chatty, but worked

P. 3 No Absences - Went great
- Had them turn in work, done or not

Sorry, it won't post correctly. I have two columns, one for attendance and one for comments. And, yes, my comments are generally very brief.

dietcoke99 11-08-2018 09:03 AM

I know there is already a thread about "notes to sub," but it is SO different from what I'm talking about that I thought I needed to start a new thread.

I have ALWAYS done the following, at least (more, of course, if the teacher asks for it).

Period #

Students that are absent.

Stuff that happened the entire period, which could be a lot depending on what happened.

Staple all passes, etc., to the paper.
etc.

It usually ends up 3/4 of the page, and I write kindof small.

A couple of days ago I subbed the second day of a two day absence. This is what his note said, FOR THE ENTIRE DAY.

"Students were pretty much on task. The video was good and kept their attention. A lot of students left during 4th period for [whatever it was]. [One last sentence that I can't remember], so his entire sub note was FOUR sentences!

Does that seem adequate to you? (assuming the t didn't specifically ask for anything else) He didn't even write down the ABSENT STUDENTS.

One other thing, I had written something in a note to a teacher that I know (about a specific student). I asked her about the student [He had asked what the next topic was going to be because he wanted to go ahead]. I told him that I thought it was going to be "ionic and covalent bonds." I told her about this great student and she said "who was it?" I said that I didn't know, but I had put it in the note. I don't think she even read it? Am I putting too much into my note?




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