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I was subbing in a 4th grade class. I'd had the students' attention and they were doing okay, nothing spectacular, but most were getting their work done. Then students who were with the tutor or resource teacher came in within minutes of each other. As I was letting them know what page we were on and what we were doing, the rest of the kids lost it. Good news? The AP was in the pod gathering area. I told the students loudly that they'd better pull it together because Mrs. AP was nearby. Some calmed down. She walked in. All but one pulled it together. She moved him. The rest of the afternoon was a breeze.
Kathy

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mrsd5 11-13-2018 05:54 PM

He follows the handbook. Teachers can send students to the office. Unfortunately, the AP is in charge of discipline. He gets involved if student behaviors are continual. I've seen him shut down parents with a single sentence when he was my principal. Casual in this post means NOT following the handbook. And it's showing with student behaviors at the high school. I have never heard so much swearing, even in class. Yesterday's student was boisterous in middle school. Drove me nuts, but not a mean bone in his body. Now he's rude, loud, and belligerent. Don't get me wrong. Most of the students are really good. It's a great district, small and close-knit for the most part. The previous principal had been at the middle school as AP and then moved to the high school. He held the students to a high standard. The AP, who just retired, mostly followed along. It's just so frustrating.

spedder1 11-13-2018 04:29 PM

I was subbing in a 4th grade class. I'd had the students' attention and they were doing okay, nothing spectacular, but most were getting their work done. Then students who were with the tutor or resource teacher came in within minutes of each other. As I was letting them know what page we were on and what we were doing, the rest of the kids lost it. Good news? The AP was in the pod gathering area. I told the students loudly that they'd better pull it together because Mrs. AP was nearby. Some calmed down. She walked in. All but one pulled it together. She moved him. The rest of the afternoon was a breeze.
Kathy

dietcoke99 11-12-2018 07:47 PM

I didn't think to put this on the last post...

By the way, I really don't know if I should know this terminology or not. I have no idea. I didn't know what ISS or OSS meant, either.

Before I get reamed or something, let me just say that I've been having treatments that have affected my memory, big time, and "you don't know what you don't know," so it's hard to know how much memory loss you've had.

There is a lot more to it than you think, but it is possible that this is something obvious that I should know, but I have no idea. Maybe everybody else on this list knew this exactly, but again, I don't know.

This is why I became a sub 2 years ago. When I could barely remember what lesson plans worked well, and which didn't, after 10 years, I knew it was time to quit.

I hope this doesn't get marked as spam, but that's o.k. I thought I should explain myself.

dietcoke99 11-12-2018 07:30 PM

I am confused. Maybe because the school I worked at had hardly any admin changes, but

<The teachers hate [the new principal] because he is "very firm.">

What does "very firm" mean?, and is this in reference of him with teachers, or with students, or both? Does this mean that he doesn't allow teachers to send students to the office? How does that differ from "casual style?"

I may be an idiot for no knowing this, but I'm actually quite curious.

mrsd5 11-12-2018 06:41 PM

Send a student and they don't return. The old middle school principal moved to the high school this year. The teachers hate him, because he's a very firm principal (my prince for about 15 years). They are used to a very casual style of discipline. The new AP is very young. She's also very casual. Ugh! Most of the students are very respectful of me. Even my worst student from 7th grade is only a minor irritation as a junior. Oh well, at least I don't have to deal with this boy every day like the other teachers.

dietcoke99 11-12-2018 05:31 PM

I think that when a student is sent to the office (or however he gets there) he should stay there for the rest of the period. Do you really think that this kid's poor behavior (enough to get sent to the office) is going to turn around in a few minutes? even longer than a few minutes?

Even if it was because of something he said, or whatever, that she heard, she still could have talked to you and then you could have told her about his behavior.

The district I work for, now, is organized and does this (keeps the student through the period, although I only have a sample size of "two" that I have sent to the office).

IMHO

mrsd5 11-12-2018 04:16 PM

Apparently, while going to the washroom (yes, I let him go), he shouted to another student that he was gay. The AP heard it and called him in. He denied it (another student told me after school that he'd said it), so she let him go. She's new this year, and I guess she's very "sympathetic" to the students. UGH! That event caused uproar in study hall when he returned.

dietcoke99 11-12-2018 04:12 PM

All I can offer is empathy because I dread "study hall" classes. The students, in my experience, are almost always worse in these classes, and I believe it is because they have too little to do, certainly nothing structured to do, if anything at all. I have my opinions about study hall, but I won't state them here because I don't want a battle, but I feel your pain.

Would the office have not been supportive if you would have sent him there? (sent him back to you with McDonald's, for example, if you read that fiasco).

One time I did tell a study hall class, and I think I got the idea from here, that unless they had a 4.0 GPA, they had something they could work on - and even if they do have a 4.0 GPA, there are a variety of books along the back wall that they can take and read during the class. It may have helped a little.

I know I am in the minority here, but I would have (in the past) described it in the note, including why I didn't send him to the office.

I think that feedback to the teacher (and anybody) is a good thing, especially since it gives the teacher a way to do something about it. How can you help a situation that you know nothing about?

After learning that teachers (or the vast majority of them) don't read (or want) descriptive notes, anyway, I won't do that again - I'll just write that teacher off and not sub for them again, at this point.

Tapdancesub 11-12-2018 04:00 PM

I have that day tomorrow, and unless the air quality improves we will be inside the whole day. Lord help me!

mooba1 11-12-2018 03:22 PM

Isnít it amazing how ONE kid can disrupt the whole class? You just want to fasten them to the wall with duct tape, with the first piece going across their mouth!!

I had that one kid today, as well. Unfortunately for him, I have the same class again tomorrow, so the payment on his bad choices today will come due tomorrow morning. He will be having a come-to-Jesus meeting with the AP.

mrsd5 11-12-2018 02:25 PM

Subbed for high school English today. I love the classroom and the students. And maybe my patience was down because I had to go into a business class during planning because they were short three subs. The English classes were great. But study hall at the end of the day was awful, mostly because of one student. He was a little bit of a pain as a middle schooler. But he's taken it to unbelievable heights. He swore, refused to work (says he's failing six classes out of eight), and generally was disruptive. I left a short note with the teacher, but didn't go into details. There were 6 boys in the class, not all freshmen, and it got loud. I spoke to the neighboring teacher, and she said that she understood my frustration. UGH. I will talk to the asst. prince tomorrow when I go back for a different job. And I'll talk to the teacher.




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