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Have you had a face to face convo with them about what you expect from them? I always follow the teacher's plans, leave detailed notes about the day, and make an attempt to clean the classroom. If someone didn't ask me back and had a problem, I'd really like a convo first or at least an email before being blocked.

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Amy914 09-14-2019 06:02 AM

Could you explain more about the cancellation notices and what they mean. I have been wondering about this...

Nicole725 06-19-2019 01:54 PM

To all you teachers "out there" who have these high expectations of subs teaching and managing your classes - please, get real.

There is a REASON there is a sub shortage. It is an often brutal, nearly impossible job. There are so many obstacles impeding subs - and you know very well what they are. If a sub is lucky and gets a manageable class, then maybe he/she can carry out your plans. But for people who are not teachers to be expected to manage and teach with no snafus - let's put it this way: you went to school to become teachers. You believe your profession demands certain skills and you should be compensated well for them. By virtue of knocking subs, you knock yourselves. You are saying subs - many of whom are not teachers - should be able to deliver what you deliver, and at the level you deliver. Really??? Then you didn't need four years of education plus all the professional development workshops you attend.

No wonder there is a shortage.

Tori58 03-26-2018 04:42 PM

....cancel the job and repost is a tactic that worked for me the one time I had a teacher do that to me. I just included that teacher's name in the list of keywords that will filter out the job notifications I get on my cellphone. Be sure you really want to do it, though. In the district that I'm talking about, they sometimes have sub shortages. I didn't get notifications, but I could still see them in AESOP and I noticed that several jobs he posted later in the year went to dial-out and didn't get picked up. Just as subs can get a reputation for poor classroom management and so forth, teachers can get a reputation for having unrealistic expectations.

luv2teach2017 03-07-2018 05:10 AM

Those two words pretty much sum it up. It works both ways, for subs and full timers.. Thanks stolaf.

Lumberman 03-07-2018 04:19 AM

I'm gonna try to keep this terse because I like the message MaineSub is trying to convey. There's enough wedge that's between us and I too believe that it's time for a change that's long overdue. First it starts with acting as adults. As someone's pointed out, please talk with the sub that you're intending to "block". Make them accountable.

I know it's uncomfortable but nothing sends the message than talking with them in person expressing your concern. Blocking them seems rather harsh because, I don't know if you're aware of this Gromit, but some HR's make a note of it (especially on Aesop) and some investigation starts that puts them in hot water and it becomes a witch hunt.

On a related matter, I have no ill feelings about your post here Gromit. Your expressing yourself about finding a way to block without getting a sub into much trouble may not be as easy as pressing a key on your device. My suggestion and again as someone's already mentioned, talk with that sub and let them know that you're grateful for the work they did in your classroom but there are things that make you think that they're lacking and you've come to a decision that it's best for now that they don't take your subbing job as it's not a good match for NOW.

In the future, you'll keep them in mind. The fact is there's a lot of unmatching going on and that's the nature of this job. I get it but to block may cause more trouble than you'd normally expect so be careful.

stolaf 03-07-2018 03:20 AM

Your answer is right to the point. It is sad that so many educators fail to recognize that subs should be treated with respect and professionalism.

Fractured 03-05-2018 02:37 PM

You do have good points. My issue is with trying to do everything except talk to the teacher face to face. It just seems like it's not a fair way to go about things. Like I said, I would appreciate it a lot more than the bait and switch.

As for subs being able to block schools, that is a luxury we have in a stressful job. I don't write a school off after one day. There are always factors I am not going to be aware of that might make a class behave badly. I've been there. If I go to a school a few times and the district doesn't give me support or if I determine the grade is just too difficult to manage in a classroom, I won't go back. This conclusion is usually reached by talking to other teachers throughout the day.

As for my crappy teachers comment, they are crappy in that they are ignoring a repeated fact that that particular student has not been compliant with the sub. It's time to have a talk with that kid then.

MaineSub 03-05-2018 09:11 AM

I have sat on my hands more than once while reading this thread and watching the polarity develop... I have difficulty understanding that polarity and, too often the double standards associated with it. So while I will probably regret letting my hands move out from under my butt, I will make just a couple, perhaps disjointed observations. The axe I'll grind is different.

I've been on this forum long enough to watch many discussions deteriorate into "we/they" conversations--even to the point where it's been suggested by some subs that "regular teachers" should not be allowed to post here. Really. (I can't resist pointing out that equates to "blocking" regular teachers from the forum.)

While I do agree that a forum specifically geared to subs and the challenges of subbing has value, if we are to be a closed society, that value diminishes rapidly for me. I'm with Groucho Marx who maintained he would never join a club that would have him as a member-- but I extend it to if that club only has "Grouchos" as members, I wouldn't want to join. I realize it's a bit of a strained comparison but over my career as a sub I can honestly say I've learned a lot more from regular teachers than I have from other subs.

We are quick to sympathize with subs who come here to vent. I stay off most of the venting threads because I often can see the "other side" of the "problem." I can say in all honesty that there have been posts made on this site by subs that make me cringe--and some subs that I would not want to see in a classroom where my child is a student. My point here is not to suggest subs are all incompetent. But as a group, we often give regular teachers no quarter and start with the assumption they are maligning subs, not leaving enough information, etc. etc. while we sympathize with subs who assume very little responsibility for the job and their own development.

There are always two sides to every story, including this one... if we accept just a few things that have been posted here, this is a sub who doesn't respect the lesson plan and either can't or won't enforce discipline. Those two aspects of a sub's job seem pretty basic to me. I've dealt with some pretty vague lesson plans and I've been in some tough classrooms discipline wise. Blaming the teacher isn't very helpful while I'm trying to get through the day--even if it can be legitimately blamed on the teacher.

Another part of the problem is the number of variables in every situation. I've had kids who are normally horrible be angels while I'm subbing. I guess that must be because of the regular teacher, eh? Or maybe it's because I'm much more skilled than the regular teacher. I've had kids who the regular teacher thinks are angels be horrible while I'm subbing. That's definitely the regular teacher's fault, right? (It should be apparent this is sarcasm.) Oh, did I mention that the kid's dad left home yesterday and moved to Alaska?

I think one of the reasons I get requested by teachers is my stated philosophy. "When I'm in your room, they are my kids, not yours. I won't compete with you, and I won't undermine you. The more good news is I won't blame you for what happens while you're not there." I like Gromit's "audition" point. If we can't form a partnership that works, maybe we shouldn't work together. It's unfortunate that we need to do it quickly and "by the seat of the pants" without a two-hour orientation and 43-page lesson plan, but that's what subbing is all about.

Has this sub asked for help and feedback? Does he not know that he's holding the kids to a lower standard than usual? What has he done, if anything, to improve his skills with technology? During my first year of subbing I actually "demanded" the principal observe me teaching in a classroom. That might be a little over the top for many, but why not?

One thing I haven't seen in this thread is the point that a sub can "block" a teacher, classroom, school and even an entire district, without any explanation or justification to anyone. We can, as it were, "vote with our feet." But we (collectively) seem to think a "regular teacher," must be held to some higher standard in his or her selection of who substitute teaches his or her class. I would challenge us all to consider the implications of that belief.

Bait and switch? Ido get switched occasionally--sometimes to jobs I was happier about and sometimes to jobs I wish I didn't have to do... but I'm convinced it's not personal. It's about priorities and filling holes. Most sub coordinators and regular teachers aren't sitting up at night trying to figure out how to screw their subs. There ARE a couple of jobs at my school that truly suck. But somebody has to do them unless the system changes or certain kids move away. Some of the assumptions made on this thread aren't logical. The "fact" that a kid behaves differently for a sub doesn't mean the teacher doesn't know or doesn't care and is a "crappy teacher." It could mean there have been some "crappy subs" who didn't care or try to figure out how to manage the situation.

When the kids ask me to judge a situation and resolve a difference between them (aka competitive tattling), I tell them I've left my judge's robe and gavel at home, so I guess we'll just have to figure out how to move forward.

It's not a perfect system, not by a long shot. And guess what? One of the reasons it's not perfect is humans are a big part of it. That aspect of education is not likely to change totally for a while (some would argue that it is--the day will come when we watch kids work on their iPads which are providing highly individualized instruction). Until it does, we might need to do a better job of listening to each other, accepting each other's skills and limitations and focusing on the goals--which really ought to be the same.

mrsd5, I congratulate you on your self-awareness... and it cracks me up that you and I are exactly the opposite! I love the littles--sorta unusual for a guy! One reason I can be effective with the high schoolers is I knew them when they were little and they seem to remember how we work together. Gromit, I have a feeling I would love subbing for you. And I'd do what I could to make sure the feeling was mutual. It sounds to me like you want what's best for your kids and classroom. We'd have that in common.

Fractured 03-04-2018 09:30 PM

I really don't appreciate your tactics here, Gromit. Just be an adult and talk to the person face to face. This bait and switch with jobs some people are talking about is such bs. Don't make my day harder by making me go to another classroom when I was prepared to go to the one I signed up for. If a school does this to me more than a few times I just stop taking assignments from that school because I assume they just don't have any respect for their subs. I'd rather have a teacher tell me it's not working out in their class instead of all this passive aggressive bs.

As for teachers not knowing how their class will treat a sub, you should follow up with us if we leave a note saying your class was really badly behaved. I have had teachers come back after a half day and we talk about the day. I have had a few teachers tell me "subs always tell me this kid is a problem, but he is so sweet with me." It is obvious they don't really care or want to know how their kids act when they aren't there. Don't be that kind of crappy teacher.

I can't make any excuses for subs not following lesson plans. Unless the class was so off task and I couldn't get through everything because of that, I have no reason to not follow the plans.

mrsd5 03-03-2018 05:43 PM

As a full-time teacher, I did leave detailed lesson plans. We were required to have a sub binder with emergency for one day, 3 days, and a week. One sub that I requested not be in my room anymore (went to college with her way back when and we are friends) was one of the permanent subs for our district. She was great with the little kids. But she was "me" for 3 weeks when I was out for a hysterectomy. I had two file bins of what she needed to do. The first bin was for the first week. It had all of the materials (copied), answer keys, and plans for each day. The second bin had the plans, materials (not copied), answer keys, etc. She didn't grade a thing. One of my team members brought me all of the stuff to grade. Then he'd pick it up for her to hand back (which she didn't). The only things I planned on grading were their final essays for the year. She knew all this in advance. It was a nightmare. She didn't teach. She handed out their assignments and told them what to do. Technically, she followed the plans, as far as assignments. But there was no reading and discussing the reading. She told them the pages to read, and then sat and crocheted. Ugh!

The two who were blocked by the district were not educators. One blew a whistle in my room whenever she wanted students' attention or whenever it got too loud. I was gone for 8 days when hubby had surgery. She made it 4 days before they got a different (and amazing) sub for me. She subbed at the high school and did the same thing. The other one was a guy who the kids liked. He was their friend. It did NOT go well. My room was a mess. I was only gone one day, and the principal or asst. principal were in and out of the room all day. They blocked him from the school after giving him one more chance. AND the kids who were involved in making a mess got consequences.

Now, as a sub, I try and follow the teachers' directions. I do have most of their cell numbers and can message them with questions. I do wish they'd had this when I was teaching full time. If I don't have their passwords or don't understand an assignment, I can quickly message them. Most of my sub jobs are requests. I can only sub 100 days a year, so can afford to be picky, too. And it helps that I mostly sub in my old building, where I know the staff and the rules. Subbing is not easy. I know that. And I also know that I can't teach the littles. They scare me. But I'm good with grades -12, so that's where I accept most of my jobs. I'll do upper elementary if I get a call from a school and don't have a job already. But no littles!

c6g 03-03-2018 02:18 PM

There's one other factor to consider, the bait-and-switch or the last-minute switch.

In my area, the number of subs is down, and schools seem to be scrambling to get classes covered more than ever before. I try to accept jobs I feel comfortable doing, and avoid grade levels and subjects that aren't comfortable for me. I'm sure most teachers accept and respect that.

The problem is that some schools are less than honest about their posted jobs because they want someone in every classroom. Sometimes there just aren't enough subs to go around. Teachers who were expecting one sub sometimes end up with another one.

I've had a fifth grade job that turned into a first grade job, a middle school art assignment that turned into a PE all-afternoon outdoors job, a fourth grade position that became a morning in the ASD room . . . and on and on it goes. The most extreme was an elementary music assignment that suddenly turned into social studies at an alternative high school. Sometimes subs are thrown into jobs with no notice.

I hope that no teacher would try to block or terminate a sub who makes an honest effort, but was thrown into a job unexpectedly at the last minute.

stolaf 03-03-2018 01:44 PM

After reading this original post and reading subsequent responsiveness, I sense perhaps a shade of unintended lack of empathy toward the sub. from the original poster. (I'd be willing to bet that the poster probably never had to sub for someone else)
Many years ago, a large southern school district required all of its administrators to teach (ie sub) in different schools, grades, and subjects five days a year. This lasted about one month. The administrators refused to to continue the program.They couldn't handle it.
I learned as a teacher that if my sub had a really bad day-before I took the ultimate step of blocking the sub, (understanding that my actions could have disastrous consequences for sub), I better take a good long hard at myself, my students, and my lesson plans; and make sure that i did not contribute to the bad day.
AS a teacher with over 30 years in my own classroom there are some very basic things that a teacher should include their lesson plans. Why college students are not required to take to take a three week course the skill of writing effective lesson plans for the substitute teacher is beyond me.
1) It is essential to train your students to understand that a you do not expect to be absent, however situations happen and should that happen, you expect that they will treat their Auxillary Teacher with respect and obedience.
2) If you have assigned seating for your classes, Please include this in your plans. Should you be one of those teachers who allows their students to sit wherever the 'spirit' moves them. then you must tell the sub this and you must include a list of names of students who should NEVER be allowed to sit together. If you have multiple classes-that means multiple class rosters and seating charts. ( If only to protect yourself should the attendance records be incorrect.)
3) Be realistic in your expectations of what the sub can teach. Should , (God forbid), you chose to introduce new material on a day when you are absent, do not blame the sub if everything is all screwed up.
4) Include the strategies used and an answer sheet for all work.
5). Never, ever tell the the sub the kids, "Know what to do." Yes, you and your students know what to do. But if the sub does NOT know what the kids are supposed to do, you're setting up the sub.
6.) Please provide the sub with all class policies; regarding bathroom usage, trips to the library, recess or lunchroom duty. Policies regarding visits to the nurse, counselor, coach, and cell phone usage.
If teachers everywhere prepared for a sub like they prepare for a formal evaluation; your classes will go more smoothly and your experience with your sub will be much more pleasant.
7.) should you have any students with serious medical conditions, please treat us subs like the professionals that most of us truly are, and let us know. So we can be prepared.
One more thing, would just kill you teachers to put together a little baggie containing pens, paper clips, dry-erase markers, pencils, etc.
Now here's the treat for actually bothering to read this post, I found out yesterday from the substitute coordinator on a campus that I was visiting, the Aesop does provide a way for a teacher to send an evaluation to their sub.

4048 03-03-2018 07:49 AM

This idea of a critque submitted by the teacher of each sub would be a great learning tool.

luv2teach2017 03-02-2018 02:55 PM

Gromit, You are both adults. How about doing the adult thing and talking to the sub directly? Explain (kindly) why you feel he's not a good fit for your class. Then he can agree not to sign up to sub for you again. Problem solved.

Gromit 03-02-2018 02:45 PM

Gromit: some districts will terminate a sub if they receive x number of blocks. So your block may have more dire consequences than you think. Have you actually told this sub that he's not a good fit for your class?
This was my ORIGINAL QUESTION!!! How do I do this without dinging his reputation.
luv2teach2017 03-02-2018 02:39 PM

Gromit: some districts will terminate a sub if they receive x number of blocks. So your block may have more dire consequences than you think. Have you actually told this sub that he's not a good fit for your class?

Gromit 03-02-2018 01:47 PM

I feel like my use of the word ďblockĒ has stirred up a lot of emotions. I donít want to prevent this person from getting a job ever. Itís not a block block. Like I said, he just doesnít mesh well with my class. Not every person is right for every job, and thatís fine.

Subbing for an unknown teacher and vice versa is like an audition. You can both decide whether you want to come back or ask back or not. Iíve had a sub say she didnít want to come back to my class. Thatís fine. I donít take it personally.

I know that the lessons I leave are able to be followed and I know the step by step instructions I leave for tech are able to be understood because other subs are capable of doing this. I know other subs can handle my particular kids because they have.

I usually have particular subs I ask for, but on the rare occasion I donít, Iíd like to have other unknown subs, who may or may not do well in my class, have the opportunity to take the job rather than it being grabbed by someone I know wonít do a good job. Then if they do a good job, they go on my list of preferred subs.

This guy wonít go without working at all. Weíre told regularly that itís better for us to put in a job early and then cancel than to put one in late because there are always more jobs than subs.

I feel like there are a bunch of assumptions that Iím leaving poor plans or expecting more than is reasonable or that Iím expecting miracles from someone who is awesome but unable to meet my exceptionally high standards.

This guy doesnít work well with me. Thatís no reflection on you.

luv2teach2017 03-02-2018 12:00 PM

Thank you so much, c6g, stolaf, subasaurus, and everyone else who is looking at the sub's side of the "blocking" issue. (I was beginning to worry that I was the only one commenting.)

c6g brings up a VERY good point...we subs face a very different kind of scenario than the regular teacher, and so we oftentimes have to use a different set of strategies and tools. So much of our success or failure is contingent on circumstances beyond our control: is the lesson plan adequate? does the technology function? how cooperative are the aides (if any)? are there unexpected disruptions (emergency drill, surprise assemblies, etc.)? Are there parent or student volunteers who need tasks and/or supervision? Not to mention that students and adults may behave quite differently with the sub than with the regular teacher (in part due to what's perceived as the sub's lack of power or status). Bottom line, it's unrealistic to expect the sub to do things exactly like the regular teacher or to expect the same kind of results.

As hard as I try to do a good job, I encounter a number of obstacles and problems that are potential land mines for me. I try to follow the lesson plan to the letter, but too often the lesson plans are incomplete, leaving me to have to piece things together. If there are aides or volunteers, I oftentimes find myself facing what amounts to power struggles because they assume I have no authority over what they do (or don't do). Most times, managing the adults is much more difficult than managing the kids! (I could fill this forum with my horror stories...see some of my postings).

No matter how great my day has gone with the children I teach, someone may still find fault or concoct some crazy accusation to stick on me. Working as a sub is much like walking through a mine field. Why? Because subs are easy targets. More often than not, when I've dealt with an accusation, the accuser (either child or adult) was trying to scapegoat me to cover up for some misdeed of their own. I'm sure many here can relate to what I'm saying. And the worst injustice is when someone decides to "block" a sub without any explanation or due process. Just because they can. I've been there. I know how it feels.

Substitute teaching is our work. It's our livelihood at stake. It's not right for anyone to use "blocking" as an easy way out of having to treat substitute teaching staff fairly and respectfully. My request to teachers and administrators? How about using some of that empathy that we are so fond of teaching the kids about? Treat others (including substitute teachers) the way YOU want to be treated.

c6g 03-02-2018 07:07 AM

You pointed out two major issues with this sub. His first flaw was that he was too laid-back, and you have some challenging students who need firm, consistent treatment at all times.

I understand your concerns with this one. Please remember, though, that a sub can't be a clone of a regular teacher. It never works!

About two years ago, I was with a class of rough fifth graders. The teacher had a discipline plan in place (she also had a tough time with them), and I tried to follow it. I won't get into specifics, but some of these darlings tried to get away with a lot, and didn't like it when I said no. One girl was so upset with me for saying no that she complained to her mother . . . who then whined to the principal. The principal told me about it, but I stood my ground. Nothing happened, but I easily could have been excluded from that school. Yes, a teacher can be very firm, but if a sub tries it, it's sometimes a different story.

I could share a number of similar stories. There was the first grade teacher who sometimes yelled at her students to keep them in line, but I would no longer be employed as a sub if I tried that! There was a third grade boy who frequently acted out, but when I tried to impose some consequences, I was told by another teacher to go easy on him because he had a rough situation at home.

In one of the oddest stories of all, I once subbed for a second grade teacher whose classroom management left a lot to be desired. You could see it with the way her students behaved. When I was with them, I was kind, but very firm. A classroom parapro whispered to me with a lot of admiration, "It's never this good in here when Mrs. __________ is in the room!"

Your second concern was that the sub didn't follow the lesson plan. There's no excuse for this, and I'd be upset too. At the same time, as others have pointed out, there are occasions when the plans are confusing or the lesson is a very complicated one. If a sub is there for a few days, it's one thing, but if it's a one-day job, it's another. Examples: 1. A teacher-directed science experiment involving lot of steps and a lot of supplies. 2. A long and intense teacher-directed math lesson with a lot of new terminology and new material. 3. A teacher-directed language arts lesson in which the teacher says to cover x, y, and y, while also telling the sub to follow the teaching plan prepared by another person which presents the material differently.

You also mentioned technology. That's an interesting one. I had a teacher once tell me not to use any of the classroom's technology, even though I knew how to use it. That made my day much harder than it should have been.

stolaf 03-02-2018 03:33 AM

We subs are expected to leave feedback for the teachers.
Aesop should develop a substitute feedback form for teachers.
I think that blocking a sub without providing some form of feedback is the height of unprofessionalism. How do you expect a sub to improve if you just block them. Maybe there were extenuating circumstances. Maybe you forgot to include events or scheduling changes in your plans.
By the way, this blocking is a two way street. When subs get together we also discuss schools and individual teachers. It's interesting how the same teachers and schools keep coming up.
As a retired teacher with over 31 years of classroom experience, some of the teachers I sub for weren't even born when I started teaching.
I can afford to be very picky about my jobs and am booked ahead for weeks.
Speaking of, I have to stop now and head off to my subbing job. See ya on the blocking side.

subasaurus 03-01-2018 08:47 AM

"He also does not follow my plans. I expect the sub to *teach* my students, especially if they are there multi-day jobs."

Ok, so this guy isn't great. He's too relaxed and doesn't engage the students. Fair enough. I understand why you'd want a different sub who is hands on and willing to really dig in to the material.

Funny thing though...

This sub you don't like is me, (although I never take multi-day jobs) and I'll tell you why:

I've heard teachers complain on multiple occasions that subs don't "teach the students right." Ouch. Sounds like subs are in a bit of a catch 22 here. To teach or not to teach? That is the question.

And with common core being implemented now, there's a whole new world of confusing material. Some of it is adult-proof. How does one teach what they don't understand themselves? Subs don't have much time to learn the material in full. They need to improvise half the time. It's like the school system's message to subs is

"Here, teach this curriculum to students you know nothing about. Some students may have special needs but you need to figure that out. You've had a half hour to preview the material, now you know everything. Good luck."

Also, if students are on their laptops working quietly and independently, my voice will distract them and get them talking again. I want silence while students are working independently. Unless they have a question about the assignment. And a lot of the time I find the aides in the room tend to either take over and teach anyway, or simply stare at the teacher in silence.

That's why I'd be a sub you'd block too. And I understand why you would.

twin2 03-01-2018 12:08 AM

I certainly think there ought to be a way for a teacher to block a particular sub, but don't know if there is. The school system here has teachers list their favorite five subs into the system helping them to get a sub of their choice, and you may do that, but there are times those subs are unavailable and the least desired sub picks up the job.

I do not think it is insensitive to not want a particular sub in a particular classroom. The dynamics of the class may not be a good fit for that sub. It you can save the day by avoiding certain subs, why not? If that sub just isn't good with a particular class, there is no reason to have them banned from the whole building, especially since gaining experience with the overall school population should help a decent sub become the more experienced sub everyone is looking for.

If the absence is scheduled far enough out, canceling the job, then putting it in again later might help. If you have that sub's email, you might send an email apologizing that you had to cancel the job at this time, without giving further explanation (assuming you don't want to worry the sub about being removed from a job). That might give the sub time to pick up another job. Depending on your relationship with the secretary, or the attitudes of the secretary or admin, you might be able to talk to the secretary about switching that sub if they pick up your last minute job. I don't like that game personally, but it is played at the school I work. Rather than banning a particular sub, they let her come in, then will "ask" certain subs to switch. Some subs feel honored to be the trusted sub, or they will at least be flexible for the sake of the students.

luv2teach2017 02-28-2018 05:30 PM

Thank you, Fractured...I second that. .

I don't mean to condemn teachers who prefer the most
suitable sub for their class. That's understandable. But those of us who follow this forum know how often folks have posted about the anxiety and confusion they experience when they suddenly find they have been blocked. It really is not the best way to deal with personnel issues regarding substitutes.

I know the teachers don't create the system, but isn't it unfair to the substitute to be blocked without being given any feedback or opportunity to make improvements?

In any decent professional organization, there
is an employee review and evaluation process, and the employee is given opportunity to adjust and improve where needed. Don't substitute teachers deserve the same kind of consideration?

(My apologies for going a bit off topic. Just felt I needed to speak on behalf of the substitute teachers impacted by the blocking. Thanks.)

Gromit 02-28-2018 03:21 PM

As a former teacher and currently a sub there is a way to block them from seeing your jobs.
This is what I want. Not a complete block from the building.

The details are that I have some particularly challenging students who need firm, consistent boundaries at all times, and he is a very laid back, don't really care about the rules kind of person. That's fine for your average student who can recognize Mr. X does this and Mrs. Gromit does that. But these particular students take a long time to get back on track after this sub is in class.

He also does not follow my plans. I expect the sub to *teach* my students, especially if they are there multi-day jobs. We also use a lot of technology, and this sub admits he isn't good with technology.

We tend to find our favourite subs and pre arrange with them so we avoid problems
Yes, but all my favorites were already booked, so I had to put it in the system and cross my fingers he didn't pick it up. I even asked for a sub who is good with computers in the notes, which should have been a clue not to take the job.
SubMan 02-28-2018 02:43 PM

Is there a way to block a sub from your class on aesop without dinging his/her reputation overall? I don't think this person is a bad person or a particularly terrible sub; I just don't think he does a very good job with my class.
As a former teacher and currently a sub there is a way to block them from seeing your jobs. It would depend on how your district has Aesop configured. When I was a teacher I had the ability to exclude a sub from seeing my absences. If I'm not mistaken only the principal and/or secretary could exclude subs from the building and only the central office could exclude them from the district.

If you don't want to "ding" their reputation consider canceling the absence and reposting it later. Know that Aesop does send out cancellation notices and if you know how to read them they are revealing, I'm speaking of the "you have been removed from... (absence)" emails.
Fractured 02-28-2018 11:42 AM

Have you had a face to face convo with them about what you expect from them? I always follow the teacher's plans, leave detailed notes about the day, and make an attempt to clean the classroom. If someone didn't ask me back and had a problem, I'd really like a convo first or at least an email before being blocked.

TeachNFriend 02-28-2018 05:28 AM

In our district, the secretary is able to block a sub, but thereís a process. We would be required to fill in some paperwork stating our concerns with the subs performance. This however might hurt his reputation. Weíve had some subs in our building that have weak classroom management, set off our kids with challenging behaviors and leave the classroom looking like a war zone. These would be our biggest reasons for blocking a sub, but weíve never gone as far as submitting a statement because it feels too harsh. However, if that particular sub picks up the job, can you contact him and let him know you were hoping a specific person would pick it up? A bit uncomfortable but honest.

You could also just drop the job if he picks it up and repost after some time passes.

We tend to find our favourite subs and pre arrange with them so we avoid problems.

Good subs are worth their weight in gold. Hope you can figure things out!

Mindfood 02-28-2018 03:18 AM

I'm sorry but I can't answer your question, but can I ask if there's a way for you to leave the gentlemen some constructive feedback as to why you would not want him back? I know I would certainly appreciate professional feedback. How else would I improve? I realize not all welcome such information, but I'm certain you could present it in a non-confrontational manner.

MaineSub 02-28-2018 02:51 AM

It's about subbing, so I posted it on the board that is about subbing.
While we don't use Aesop and I can't help answer the question, I am a sub and I do support this post and see it as quite sensitive, actually. It raises a valid point--we're supposed to figure out what works best for the teacher and kids, not just the sub. If the sub in question hasn't figured out he's not meeting the needs of this particular class and teacher, this seems a discreet way for the teacher to accomplish that.

(I once had a teacher who had a very different style than mine... I'm pretty adaptabie, but we found it extremely difficult to work together. We managed when we had to, but I'm quite sure we both were happier when a different sub filled in for her.)

This forum tends to have lots of posts about what subs expect of teachers but not so many about what teachers expect of subs. I would actually be interested in "some' of the "details"... but that also might be a different topic. If we like the idea that teachers have preferred subs, we should accept the idea that the opposite might also be true.
Gromit 02-27-2018 05:29 PM

I blocked a sub who was great with elementary students, but not middle school students.
How did you do that? I can't find a way.

I have to ask, what's the point of posting this discussion on the substitute teachers' forum. Seems a bit insensitive.
It's about subbing, so I posted it on the board that is about subbing.
luv2teach2017 02-27-2018 05:23 PM

I have to ask, what's the point of posting this discussion on the substitute teachers' forum. Seems a bit insensitive.

mrsd5 02-27-2018 02:28 PM

Depending on how your district has Aesop configured, you should be able to do that. I blocked a sub who was great with elementary students, but not middle school students. And I blocked two totally awful subs, who subsequently were blocked from the entire district.

Gromit 02-27-2018 12:02 PM

Is there a way to block a sub from your class on aesop without dinging his/her reputation overall? I don't think this person is a bad person or a particularly terrible sub; I just don't think he does a very good job with my class.

I started to write a bunch of details, but those are irrelevant. I just need to know if this is possible.

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