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Iíll give you a label. Emotionally Disturbed. No telling what the child went through before he landed at his grandparentsí house. If thatís not enough, youíve got some ignorant grandparents, as evidenced by their denying assessment. Iím curious if social services arenít already involved in the family (since he lives with grandparents.) Iím sorry nobody is giving you support. Iím sorry for the kid too. With what you described, Iíd bet heíll be an addict by high school. I remember one year I had a novice temporary principal who was clueless and I snarled at him, ďHalf these kids will be in jail when theyíre adultsĒ. Fast forward 20 years and sadly, one died as a prostitute, a few criminals, and many addicts. All from a nice little school in a nice little town. Soooo, I hear you and I validate you.

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apple annie 11-17-2019 06:04 PM

Emily26 is absolutely right. The only help you’re going to get is from the grandparents - but only whn they are sick and tired of getting called at work or at home. They will either make him behave or get him some help, meds, doctors, or home schooling.

Emily26 11-17-2019 02:18 PM

Honestly, with some of these parents, it's the only thing that will get them moving in the right direction. Every. Single. Time. he hurts someone or disrupts instruction, call home. Require a meeting. Send him to the office. Call call call. They should be just as inconvenienced by his behavior as you and your students are.

eeza 11-16-2019 10:47 AM

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He does not have any diagnosis of anything because of them not wanting him labeled, so I couldnít get that.
You don't need a diagnosis for a 504. As a school psych, I evaluate kids who don't have a medical diagnosis, but I note a deficit. I say ADHD-like or autistic-like behaviors. Some parents are more open to this because it's not an official diagnosis.
Waikru 11-16-2019 09:25 AM

THIS IS also my class right now. On top of having a student with undiagnosed ADHD that diruots every minute of teaching, I have an extremely violent student that is regularly suspended. I feel your pain on all levels. I cannot teach and my whole class suffers. Even worse some of the students are copying the behaviors now. IEP does nothing to help, it is a joke at best. I follow the IEP and accomodatuons but without a diagnosis and some form of therapy/meds/whatever nothings going to change. Best of luck to you and your students truly.

sosilly555 11-16-2019 03:53 AM

I've had classes and kids like this. And an unhelpful principal. It's really tough.

If you can show that his reading is suffering due to his behaviors, wouldn't that be enough to get him help? Even if the guardians don't want him labeled, going through RtI to demonstrate how behavior impacts academics would get him some help in our district. From what you describe, in my school he would qualify for small group reading instruction, and possibly math intervention (we also have some math "business volunteers" who pull kids out for additional help). This might give him the attention he craves/needs and get him out of the classroom at specified times so you can focus on others.

70Primrose 11-15-2019 04:40 PM

I tried the 504 route. He does not have any diagnosis of anything because of them not wanting him labeled, so I couldnít get that. I had him tested for Spec Ed, speech, physical disability, I thought maybe even if I could get something like he holds his pencil wrong, nothing. They wonít give me a para if he doesnít qualify for anything. I had our school psychologist come observe him and he said definitely he is autistic and severe ADHD. He is at least grade level in reading and very close in everything else. The best I can do right now is have him on an RTI plan for math. My principal sucks, no help there.

Waiting in my counselors lobby right now! I go every Friday.

ConnieWI 11-15-2019 01:30 PM

Is it possible that the disruptive student you mentioned could get a 504? That way, he would have some goals and these goals could include getting assistance from special ed, your school psychologist, and school counselor.

I would also find out if social services is involved in his life. Perhaps they could intercede with his grandparents so the child could get the help he needs even though his grandparents are reluctant to do so.

If social services is involved, his grandparents are getting paid each month to care for this child. However, social services may have a lot of power to change the circumstances within this child's school day.

eeza 11-15-2019 12:24 PM

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Pretty sure he is autistic and ADHD. His guardians (grandparents) that he calls mom and dad, donít want him labeled so they will not get a diagnosis/help/services.
I think this is silly. Whether or not there is a label, the issue still remains. It's not like he will all of a sudden have autism or ADHD if it's written on his chart.
Keltikmom 11-15-2019 08:12 AM

For the one, poor child, you know the drill: document, document, document. Are you the only teacher at your grade level? If not, can some of the pain be spread out to other teachers?

Iíve had a few years like that. Depending upon the culture of your school and your admin, try being the squeaky wheel. At least, you might get a para in there to help. Maybe from an outside organization?

kahluablast 11-15-2019 06:27 AM

That is definitely a loaded class. Are any of these students receiving any services? Do they have IEPs?

I have nightmares about classes like that. Having one student that upsets the cart is hard enough. If it were me, I would have our behavior specialist in observing the class and working with me on hehavior plans for the class and individuals. I know I would be crying in the p's office every day whether it helped or not. I would help me.

Almost half way through the year? Any solace from that?

TheTrunch 11-15-2019 06:12 AM

Iíll give you a label. Emotionally Disturbed. No telling what the child went through before he landed at his grandparentsí house. If thatís not enough, youíve got some ignorant grandparents, as evidenced by their denying assessment. Iím curious if social services arenít already involved in the family (since he lives with grandparents.) Iím sorry nobody is giving you support. Iím sorry for the kid too. With what you described, Iíd bet heíll be an addict by high school. I remember one year I had a novice temporary principal who was clueless and I snarled at him, ďHalf these kids will be in jail when theyíre adultsĒ. Fast forward 20 years and sadly, one died as a prostitute, a few criminals, and many addicts. All from a nice little school in a nice little town. Soooo, I hear you and I validate you.

70Primrose 11-14-2019 09:25 PM

I have a very disruptive student. Pretty sure he is autistic and ADHD. His guardians (grandparents) that he calls mom and dad, donít want him labeled so they will not get a diagnosis/help/services. He is not getting what he needs and he is making the rest of my students suffer and me suffer. He wants constant attention and so makes strange noises, talks too loud, laughs too loud, gets in everyoneís space, interrupts, fights at recess, screams and yells. I am living in hell this year! On top of that I have too other autistic students and three students with Tourette. Another little girl with Hydrocephalus and she has a condition with that called ďcocktail party syndromeĒ where she talks constantly about only odd surface subjects. I am a gen Ed teacher with only one semester of spec Ed. No help at all in my class.




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