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I'm leaning towards one side of the question but am curious about other PT opinions. DD is running cross-country. I never did run cross-country so I am unsure of how common these things are. Her coach has time trials. You have to run a certain time to run in invitational meets (tend to be bigger, on weekends, further away). You have to run a certain time to run in conference meets (small, during the week, closer). The conference meet time is slower. Within those times, there's a harder time to run for varsity. DD is picked to run in almost all of the meets---she didn't make the time for one last year but has done so for all of the other ones. For me, this is theoretical rather than practical.
Yesterday was the first invitational meet for the team. For her team, it was far away. They had to be at the school at 5:45 in the morning to leave for the race. DD was filled with complaints about the hour of the morning and the spandex uniforms. Driving to the school, she made a good point, "Well, the only thing worse than having to get up before 5 am on a long weekend to go running is to get up before 5 am on a long weekend and NOT go running." The coach expected all team members to come to the race even if they weren't entered in it. Out of 35 female team members, the coach entered 12 in the race. I'm assuming there were similar numbers of the guys.
The coach's perspective is they are all one team, the trips are where they bond together by spending time,and they are expected to support and cheer for each other in the races whether they're running in them or not. (The truth is that by the end of the season the coach usually enters the kids in the races anyway so it's really only the first few races that this is true for.)
Having said that, I'd be irritated if it was my kid who had to get up at that hour, go to the meets and just cheer her team mates on. It might be discouraging and defeating.
What's your view? Do you think this is a good practice for the team or do you disagree?

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OD 09-01-2019 05:04 PM

On the other side of the coin, my daughter's cc and track team coaches ONLY brought the lead runners to those invitational meets. They didn't even give the opportunity to the others to cheer for their friends. My daughter ran, but many of her friends did not. Sometimes they came to cheer, sometimes they didn't because they were kind of treated like second class citizens. I agree with the coaches about being a team, but I understand not wanting to wake up at the crack to not run. I wished that our girls had a choice to go with transportation provided, or not go if they chose.

msd2 09-01-2019 02:24 PM

They are all part of the team. They should all be going.

sped91 09-01-2019 08:47 AM

DS is a senior this year and it's his fourth year in cross country. He goes to a very small school and right now the team is really small. Everyone goes to all the meets and everyone runs. When he was a freshman, the team was a lot bigger. Even as a freshman on JV he went to and ran at every meet, conference or invite. The invites they went to had Varsity, JV, and Open races, so the kids who weren't running Varsity or JV could still run in the Open race.

When the kids are not running, they are expected to cheer for their teammates, not just at the start and finish. They run from spot to spot along the course to cheer as the runners go past. We just had our first meet of the season and I took four cheering spots close to the start and finish and he took some spots farther out. DS actually had a couple of kids that had graduated come back to cheer him on. DS says it helps to have people along the way, DH will yell his time to him as he passes, which helps him out. The kids not running may also be getting put to work taking times for the splits to help the coach with training.

love_to_learn 09-01-2019 07:43 AM

I feel like this is the normal way team sports function.

However, this is why I never really did sports because I personally wouldn't wake up just to not run, so I would not last very long . So I don't agree with the practice.

My kids are not in HS yet, but I I have been thankful that any team sports activity they have tried has been short lived. I really struggle with a lot of the norms of team sports in my area.

amiga13 09-01-2019 07:11 AM

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.....they are expected to support and cheer for each other in the races whether they're running in them or not.
I donít even understand this. If cross country looks like I think it does, the only opportunity to cheer is at the start/finish line, right?
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....the trips are where they bond together...
In my experience, kids bond with their friends.

Reading this makes me so glad my kids grew up in an area without school buses. Kids were not allowed to drive to away games. We parents drove them. Since coming up with parent drivers wasnít easy, only participants attended away games.

Home game attendance was recommended for all, but not mandatory. It was recognized that kids were in school to learn and academics came first. No one was forced to donate time to ďcheerĒ for others.

I donít want to seem mean, but I agree with your daughter that attending without participating is a waste of precious time. I wonít even start the whole argument of how teens treat/ignore each other....
sonoma 09-01-2019 06:45 AM

This is exactly how the sport of cross country works.

teacherwriter 09-01-2019 06:40 AM

I think ours are done that way as well. None of my kids do cross country, but DSs swim. The variation on this theme is that team members are not allowed to leave the meet even if their events are done. They're required to stay for the entire meet and cheer for their teammates.

mommy9298 09-01-2019 06:09 AM

Thatís how itís done in my town. The entire team goes no matter what sport, time, or location. They are supporting their teammates. Iím sure itís not fun if you donít participate, but if you want to be on the team it is a part of it.

Claire 09-01-2019 05:54 AM

DD teams do both. For track (she would never run cross country lol) only the kids that make the meets go to the meets. For volleyball, the freshman have to stay through the jv and varsity games to cheer for them, making very late nights.

HS soccer, jv will have to stay through the whole thing even varsity.

Club soccer obviously is one team and everyone pays their thousands of dollars so you go to everything, even with a cast on your arm.

I personally do not think the non runners should have to go to the cross country meets, just like our track only sends the kids who make the meet. If those kids are multisport athletes they might be missing something else just to stand there the whole time.

Snicklesnack 09-01-2019 04:28 AM

I have mixed feelings on this. In one regard, I get the ďwe are a teamĒ approach. My son played football, and there were many many games where he dressed with the team and stood on the field with the team but never entered the game. But as a member of the team, he was there encouraging and supporting his teammates. Sometimes he would get put into the game because of injuries or if they were winning by a lot. The expectation was that the entire team was there. It also gives those who are not playing/running the opportunity to see what they can do if they work harder and make the cut. However, with a more individual sport like cross country, there is no chance of being put into the game. My brother was a wrestler and they never traveled to something they werenít participating in.
The hard thing with making everyone go to the meets for individual sports is that they are giving up a lot of time that they could be doing something else.

Lilbitkm 09-01-2019 04:26 AM

I personally agree with the coach. It’s not any different than other sports teams where some players never leave the bench or aren’t first string. If you’re a part of a team, it makes sense to show up and support the team. I also think he’s right that they will bond and make good memories during this time.

The complaining about the outfit.... is probably just more of an “I’m annoyed I have to go and will complain about anything right now” situation.

I was on a swim team for years and we wouldn’t all swim for district and state meets. There were many times where some teammates would only have one event (and sometimes the first one). We were still required to attend and stay for the entire meet. In high school we were also required to ride the bus to and from the meet whether our parents attended or not.

For sports like cross county and swimming the early mornings are typical. I didn’t love it in high school but got used to it.

PrivateEyes 09-01-2019 04:23 AM

agree with the coach. The meets are part of of being a team. I see it as encouraging sportsmanship and camaraderie. It can also give incentive to practice harder during the week.

cruxian 09-01-2019 04:09 AM

I'm leaning towards one side of the question but am curious about other PT opinions. DD is running cross-country. I never did run cross-country so I am unsure of how common these things are. Her coach has time trials. You have to run a certain time to run in invitational meets (tend to be bigger, on weekends, further away). You have to run a certain time to run in conference meets (small, during the week, closer). The conference meet time is slower. Within those times, there's a harder time to run for varsity. DD is picked to run in almost all of the meets---she didn't make the time for one last year but has done so for all of the other ones. For me, this is theoretical rather than practical.
Yesterday was the first invitational meet for the team. For her team, it was far away. They had to be at the school at 5:45 in the morning to leave for the race. DD was filled with complaints about the hour of the morning and the spandex uniforms. Driving to the school, she made a good point, "Well, the only thing worse than having to get up before 5 am on a long weekend to go running is to get up before 5 am on a long weekend and NOT go running." The coach expected all team members to come to the race even if they weren't entered in it. Out of 35 female team members, the coach entered 12 in the race. I'm assuming there were similar numbers of the guys.
The coach's perspective is they are all one team, the trips are where they bond together by spending time,and they are expected to support and cheer for each other in the races whether they're running in them or not. (The truth is that by the end of the season the coach usually enters the kids in the races anyway so it's really only the first few races that this is true for.)
Having said that, I'd be irritated if it was my kid who had to get up at that hour, go to the meets and just cheer her team mates on. It might be discouraging and defeating.
What's your view? Do you think this is a good practice for the team or do you disagree?




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