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Gigi- right?! What happened to consequences? I participate in an admin chat every week on Twitter, and am shocked by the number that say that they just need to be showered with love, hugs, etc. First, thatís not their job, second, they all sound like a bunch of creepy child molesters 😂💁🏼

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Summerwillcom 03-30-2019 11:41 AM

Parents want to be their child's friend.
Drugs are now really rampant where I work.
Kids are not even raised anymore where I live.
If they make a fuss, parents give in to the kid instead of being a parent.
They have learned to rescue their kids to a point where kids can do very little problem solving w/ real life problems.
They have taken over the school board too. We've got discipline programs that do not teach personal responsibility for actions or consequences.
I am not the least bit shocked. We had unarmed security in a school nearby. The kids ( HS) beat him up so bad that he was hospitalized and disabled for life. This did not happen in a poor ,urban center either.
Lack of parenting and school consequences have played a big part in this downward trend. It is very sad. Oh, I should not say all. I have 3 kids in my class this yr who are from families with adults who parent.

msd2 03-30-2019 06:24 AM

Respect isn't taught anywhere. It is no longer something that those in authority because of that authority.

Even if it is taught in some homes, that doesn't mean that young children (or even older ones for that matter) won't go along with the rest of the crowd.

How often do we hear respect has to be earned. It is the new motto. For some people the level to which one must rise to earn respect is unreachable. We live in a society where everyone wants to be able to do whatever they want, when they want, and how they want others be damned until that lack of control impact them. Then they want others to behave how they want, when they want, and in line with their view of what should be done. It is hypocrisy on a daily basis. Don't tell me what to believe, think, feel or do, but let me tell you how to do all of those things.

Kids are confused even if parents are trying to teach respect when society keeps telling them other things.

TheElphaba 03-29-2019 08:30 PM

Unfortuantely we live in a world where respect is at a all time low. Not to be preachy but the bible does forewarn of this.

Disrespect runs rampant everywhere we go and seems to run world wide. As a teacher it disheartens me that students act the way they do. However sometimes when I see the parents I say, "hmm the apple doesn't fall to far from THAT tree"!

We also have officers come into our school, but they haven't had to put up with any nonsense. I too would be worried about students trying to grab for the gun.

Clarity 03-29-2019 05:49 AM

years. I remember being informed by a parent whose kid's behavior was off the wall that I had to "EARN HIS KID'S RESPECT" before the child was expected to act in a respectful manner towards me. Yep. The parent had just gotten out of prison, so apparently he knew all about how to act.

The problem has snowballed into what we have now, kids acting like feral cats in schools. So glad I am retired.

Ruby07 03-29-2019 03:02 AM

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cannot imagine a situation where a police officer would be in a school in a situation where a small child could reach and touch his gun, or the holster.

I'm in the same State as ElizabethJoy and we just don't have security officers in schools. We don't have security in school really (after some of what I've read here, you'd die of shock if you saw my school). If a police officer comes to my school for some purpose, he does not wear his gun belt.
You're in Australia. It's so different. The US has become a war zone --- school shootings are almost a weekly occurrence. It's terrifying. Parents are demanding action and protection. I am probably the most anti-gun person you will ever meet. But I feel better knowing that there is an armed officer in my school. It's so sad.
Tiamat 03-29-2019 02:42 AM

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Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand that if he's an officer? I'm at a public school in the US. We don't have any officers there full time, but sometimes 2 specific police officers will visit our school and walk through.
I cannot imagine a situation where a police officer would be in a school in a situation where a small child could reach and touch his gun, or the holster.

I'm in the same State as ElizabethJoy and we just don't have security officers in schools. We don't have security in school really (after some of what I've read here, you'd die of shock if you saw my school). If a police officer comes to my school for some purpose, he does not wear his gun belt.

As for the TV shows, they're bad, I agree, but I can remember my Dad ranting and raving about how rude and disrespectful kids on TV shows were and not letting me watch some because of the kids backchatting. I'm 60 this year and Dad would be 94. It's not new, but I think the current trend of parents wanting to be friends rather than parenting is making it worse. The kids often aren't shut down the way I was if they try to imitate the shows.
Renea 03-28-2019 04:42 PM

This is one reason why I'm reluctant to have armed teachers in schools. Strange things happen and the children are unpredictable.

Claire 03-28-2019 04:12 PM

It's so sad. Really, I work with so many kids without respect for authority of any kind. We literally had a kid go off today because he was asked to sit where he belonged and not run up and cut in the front if the bus line where there was no space. I literally said, "Please sit back here where there is space." That led to a full fledged melt down yelling walking around campus and not being able to get on the bus. He's a grade below me but they said that is what happens with even the simplest direction.

I'm at a point where I'm really disillusioned right now with how ugly and disrespectful the kids are. It's the worst of my 18 years for sure. It's just going to keep getting worse as long as parents don't parent.....It's terrible.

hand 03-28-2019 02:11 PM

I agree with some of the blame being put on childrenís programming and movies. My oldest DS didnít have many choices. Sesame Street, Mr. Rogers, Smurfs, and Power Rangers. And there was no childrenís programming on in the evening. My youngest had Hannah Montana, Thatís So Raven, Suite Life, and 24 hour cable available. She definitely had a sassier mouth. I also think that too many parents think that itís cute when their kids act like that.

Ruby07 03-28-2019 01:55 PM

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This is going to sound little weird, but I blame Disney and other entertainment companies that produce shows for kids. Seen a Disney Chanel show in the past decade? The adults are incompetent buffoons and the kids are all sarcastic, mean little brats.
Not weird AT ALL! I agree. I always thought that those Disney shows were terrible at teaching kids respect. I remember trying on an outfit once, and asking my 8-year old DD how it looked. She quipped, "It'd look a whole lot better if you lost a few pounds!" I reacted harshly, and she told me that she thought it was funny, and had heard something like it on a Disney show (Suite Life of Zach and Cody).
Gifted 03-28-2019 01:25 PM

This is going to sound little weird, but I blame Disney and other entertainment companies that produce shows for kids. Seen a Disney Chanel show in the past decade? The adults are incompetent buffoons and the kids are all sarcastic, mean little brats.

Ruby07 03-28-2019 12:37 PM

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It is awful that the students behaved that way toward a police officer. I am surprised, however, that he couldn't handle 5-7 year old children who were disrespectful. He is a law enforcement officer who probably deals with much tougher situations with adults.
He was trained to deal with *adult* criminals. His training is not appropriate for dealing with young children. MANY SROs are finding this to be a problem in their school settings. He came to me for advice today. He needs to keep his bond with these kids. Many of them have a hatred or fear of police officers, because of their experiences at home. So he has done a great job getting to know them, and winning their trust. Please realize that it's not ALL of the kids behaving this way!! It's just a handful of little jerks who need to be set straight.
ElizabethJoy 03-28-2019 12:08 PM

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Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand that if he's an officer? I'm at a public school in the US. We don't have any officers there full time, but sometimes 2 specific police officers will visit our school and walk through. They carry their guns. They're police officers! They have the training, certification, etc to use them correctly should there be an emergency. I'd hate to be in a school shooting, have police officers present, but they had no weapons.
Oops, sorry for dragging the thread off topic. It's a cultural thing. We've never had a school shooting in Australia, schools don't have 'security officers', and if we did they sure as heck would not be allowed to bring weapons to school.

I was just surprised about the gun because I have never heard of schools having armed security before, but it does make sense I guess, given how often shootings in the US occur.
MissAgnes 03-28-2019 10:59 AM

Dealing with a bunch of young children is a completely different skill than handling even violent adults. Unless the officer has young children, is a natural with young children, or has been specifically trained to deal with kids, I wouldn't expect him to know how to handle this.

travelingfar 03-28-2019 03:27 AM

It is awful that the students behaved that way toward a police officer. I am surprised, however, that he couldn't handle 5-7 year old children who were disrespectful. He is a law enforcement officer who probably deals with much tougher situations with adults.

Ruby07 03-28-2019 03:12 AM

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Youíre Australian, too, arenít you? The gun in the school was the part I couldnít get past, too.
I'm not Australian. I live in Western New York State. Any school security officer is most likely armed. I've never heard of one that wasn't.
TeacherPK6 03-28-2019 02:38 AM

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Youíre Australian, too, arenít you? The gun in the school was the part I couldnít get past, too.


Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand that if he's an officer? I'm at a public school in the US. We don't have any officers there full time, but sometimes 2 specific police officers will visit our school and walk through. They carry their guns. They're police officers! They have the training, certification, etc to use them correctly should there be an emergency. I'd hate to be in a school shooting, have police officers present, but they had no weapons.


Back on topic, I hope those kids get some stern consequences! What awful treatment. Sadly, it angers me, but does not surprise me. Many kids these days have no respect for authority figures. My class will cut up right in front of our P! Granted, these are normal K behaviors (chatting in line, playing, etc), but still!
Tiamat 03-27-2019 11:59 PM

Youíre Australian, too, arenít you? The gun in the school was the part I couldnít get past, too.

Lack of respect for adults is huge. It isnít being taught at home - another thing we are probably meant to do.

ElizabethJoy 03-27-2019 07:08 PM

I'm stuck on the fact that you have a gun in your school. Freaky.

I agree with PP- teachers have a big influence on kids but nothing like parents- or peers!

Hammy6714 03-27-2019 06:47 PM

Our School Resource Officer (SRO) recently resigned due to lack of respect from students....he was an amazing police Officer but was tired of students trying to grab his baton, taser or gun...one student tried to take his badge off his uniform as well...it's just sad.

UVAgrl928 03-27-2019 06:28 PM

Gigi- right?! What happened to consequences? I participate in an admin chat every week on Twitter, and am shocked by the number that say that they just need to be showered with love, hugs, etc. First, thatís not their job, second, they all sound like a bunch of creepy child molesters 😂💁🏼

Gigi814 03-27-2019 06:07 PM

Unfortunately, this does not shock me at all. I have taught in schools where the majority of students acted like this and the principals never did anything. You are lucky to teach in a school where the principal believes in consequences.

Izzy23 03-27-2019 05:24 PM

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He said that he is extremely confident that no young child would be able to get it out of the holster. But still!!!
This is a SERIOUS safety concern. My friend worked in a district where a police officer was coming to talk to a preK group. He was sitting down, chatting with the kids, when one of them reached up and slid a finger into the holster and managed to fire the gun! It shot into the floor and no one was hurt, fortunately. Made the news, though!

I'm glad your admin took prompt action. I'd be having a serious conversation with my class about it, too.
Keltikmom 03-27-2019 04:29 PM

Begins at home through example and conversation.

Apparently, this is not happening in many homes.

Ruby07 03-27-2019 04:16 PM

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The touching his gun seems like a huuuge safety concern to me- hopefully the P does something.
ABSOLUTELY!!! The officer was so upset by it. He said that he is extremely confident that no young child would be able to get it out of the holster. But still!!!
UVAgrl928 03-27-2019 04:11 PM

Yep, it's never "my" kid.

The touching his gun seems like a huuuge safety concern to me- hopefully the P does something.

Tapdancesub 03-27-2019 04:00 PM

Very simple, respect is no longer taught in the home. Thatís where it starts before a child ever steps foot in a classroom.

Ruby07 03-27-2019 03:30 PM

My classroom aide spends an hour of her day doing cafeteria duty with Kindergartners, 1st graders and 2nd graders. Our school safety officer (a retired police officer who is our school security guard) often walks around the cafeteria during that time. He has learned the names of all 400+ students in our school, and he is passionate about forming a bond with these kids.

Today, my aide told me that the kids have started acting disrespectfully toward the officer. It's become a "thing" that the kids will try to touch his gun as he walks by their tables. And some of them have starting hitting him on the head and butt when he stoops over to open milk cartons.

WHAT THE HECK? This is an adult staff member, a POLICE OFFICER, and these are 5-7 year old children. I was furious when she told me, and advised her to go right to the principal with the info. When she got there, the officer was already there expressing his concerns. The kids in question are all being dealt with, consequences have been given out, parents are being called.

I'm just absolutely shocked that such young children would behave this way. I'm glad that it was addressed promptly, but so disheartened that it ever happened.




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