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If you have a behavior classroom, why are the behavior kids coming to your room instead? Do you have a district supervisor or union? Depending on your situation, I might tell you to start reporting each injury to work comp.

I agree with your question about FAPE and have asked the same thing in the past. I had many students who quickly went to other placements once they hit middle school and it was easier to access the programs. It's not right and crazy that you are forced to deal with injuries on a frequent basis.

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newbie17 10-14-2018 10:21 AM

I think I'm a little bit in love with your principal!!!



I thought it was odd that our behavioral classroom isn't a sped placement. I would think all the kids could use an IEP for behavioral goals, but that's not how it is. Last year only 2 out of the 10 in the room were sped kids and this year 3 of them are, but there are only 7 or 8 in that room. Funny thing is the kid that had me bruised for a couple weeks wasn't even from the behavioral classroom, just a very disabled child that got incredibly frustrated.


I agree that the behavior is getting out of hand. I'm scared for their future because they have no consequences or coping skills. You redirect some of them and they lose it completely. What is going to happen when they get jobs and are criticized? Or when the police pull them over for something simple like speeding? It's going to be disastrous.

Haley23 10-11-2018 06:49 PM

That seems like a very strange set up. Here, the behavioral classroom is definitely considered a sped placement and the teacher has to be a sped teacher. Did they just have such a hard time finding a teacher that they opened it up to everyone? I can't imagine a gen ed teacher wanting that position! Even as a sped teacher I've always said you couldn't pay me a million dollars to work in that placement.

Our student behavior gets worse and worse every year. I don't even want to think about what these kids will be like as adults. Earlier this year, I got a violent student who just threw tantrums all day long. P threw a fit and he got moved to the behavioral unit; the transition was the quickest I've ever seen. Literally as I was reading the email saying he was being moved, I heard a commotion in the hallway and there was a new kid throwing a fit and flopping around with 6 adults around him. As soon as one leaves, another one replaces him!

My P has her faults, but she has zero tolerance for kids hurting staff members (or other kids, obviously). That's how this kid got moved so quickly. I definitely appreciate that about her!

newbie17 10-11-2018 06:00 PM

The behavioral classroom is their gen ed placement, since they qualify for special ed someone has to provide them their minutes. I'm the only sped teacher in the building with room on my caseload for any more students so I ended up with them. If our behavioral classroom teacher was sped certified she could keep them in there, but since she's not any time they spend with her is considered gen ed time. We've talked about it and I've asked if she's willing to get sped licensed and she said no way. There is absolutely no way I'd do the behavioral classroom, so we will just have to continue on the way it is.



It is getting a little better but we've still had some crazy days...One of these kids has had the school cop called on him twice since I wrote this post!! Luckily though everyone has been pretty calm in my room. I just hope it continues this way.


I have friends that teach sped in other districts and they are seeing the same things as me. What is happening to our children? Is it drugs? Lack of parenting? Both?! I don't know, but I do know based off the behavior I've seen in my school the future is looking a little scary. I truly never thought as a grown adult, in a position of authority, that I would have to be fearful of elementary school children. It's a sad state of affairs.

Spedteach0929 10-09-2018 04:32 PM

I understand how you are feeling and what you are going through. I had a violent student last year in my self contained classroom. She was so violent that we did room clears on a daily basis and I rarely was ever able to stay in the classroom with all of my students more than 30 minutes before she started and we would have to get everyone out. I had clumps of hair pulled out weekly, bloody scratches, bites, and a broken thumb. During a particularly bad day, she slammed my head against the floor and I ended up with a concussion. I really thought that would be it, but she returned to school the next day with no consequences at all.

My biggest advice is to work really hard to find the right motivators/reinforcers for these students. For my student, we took almost all demands off of her for most of the day, constantly reinforcing her (every few minutes) for having safe behavior. By the end of the year she was doing a little work and reinforcers were more spaced out.

ElemSped13 10-08-2018 06:51 PM

If you have a behavior classroom, why are the behavior kids coming to your room instead? Do you have a district supervisor or union? Depending on your situation, I might tell you to start reporting each injury to work comp.

I agree with your question about FAPE and have asked the same thing in the past. I had many students who quickly went to other placements once they hit middle school and it was easier to access the programs. It's not right and crazy that you are forced to deal with injuries on a frequent basis.

WalkDontRun 10-08-2018 05:34 PM

I guess I don't quite understand why they are in your classroom if you have behavior classrooms? I've been both a resource teacher and a self-contained behavior teacher and in my experience they are two very different programs with vastly different levels of support. It doesn't sounds like you have the levels of support these high need students require. I can't imagine having volatile and violent students without the structure and support of a behavior program. It sounds absolutely awful!

When I was a behavior teacher I also remember thinking "maybe I will just get really hurt by a student and get some time off." Only someone who has experienced it will understand!

newbie17 10-07-2018 10:05 PM

I teach a single grade level of elementary resource class and I have some very difficult cases this year. I have one kid that is self contained with me because parent refuses to allow kid in the self contained room, so I get to spend 5 hours a day with precious (who does have an aid thankfully). I started the year with a potentially violent kid from the behavioral classroom, but that one moved, so I thought I'd get to really teach at that point. It wasn't 3 days later I got 2 more from the behavioral room and they are even more violent than the first kid!!! I'm so frustrated, especially because the new ones aren't even in my grade level, but we don't have room anywhere else for them.



This year alone I've been hit, kicked, bitten, had to call admin and the school cop, and my self contained kid's aid has had to restrain one of my new kids because of the violence. It's been insane!! My question is this...at what point does one child's right to FAPE become more important than another child's? I mean the violent ones make it impossible for me to teach anyone else during that time. Luckily I've arranged it so I only have 3 others in the room but still, those 3 deserve an education as well. Then there is the one that is self contained with me and when that one has a bad day we all know. The kid will throw things, kick, hit, bite, and scream as if being tortured. The aid removes the child when this happens but it's still a huge distraction to my class. This year has been worse than the 2 I spent in self contained!! Why doesn't admin do anything? One kid attacked me so badly I was bruised for 2 full weeks and the punishment was missing recess for one day. Why are these kids allow to hurt me, potentially hurt my other kids and/or themselves and nothing is done about it? I'm not saying children with disabilities should be sent off to special schools, but there needs to be something for the ones that literally cannot function in public school setting. My classroom management is pretty good. I have a visual chart that matches what they see in the behavioral room. I have clear procedures and expectations. I give warnings before transitions. I always give choices. I'm not sure what else to do.



It's just that I shouldn't have to limit pencils and hide my scissors when particular children come in. I've never thought about one student stabbing another, or even me, until this year but now I know the danger is real. I'm a trained teacher, not a behavioral interventionist! I have no idea what to do with these dangerous kids, other than keep them away from other babies, that way if anyone gets hurt it's me. I obviously don't want that, but better me than a child. I'm beyond frustrated with this as my other kids have SO much potential this year! They are seriously the best group I've ever had, with the highest reading levels I've ever had in resource. I could do so much with these kids, if I didn't have to play security guard throughout the day.


You know what else gets me? I have zero recourse when I get attacked. I'm getting to the point that I'm starting to hope next time it happens it's severe enough for me to miss some work...at least I'll get a paid break from insanity that is my classroom for a little bit. Sorry for the rant, but I know that nobody understands the struggle of the special education world quite like other special education teachers.




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