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I’m so over this whole “no consequences” thing. And it’s translating to real life and adulthood as evidenced by entitled adults, judges rulings (hello Brick Turner), and rude people who constantly yell and abuse people.

Since when did it become ok to act without consequences? Since when did it become ok to do nothing and get passing grades and move on to the next grade? This is such a pet peeve for me and a huge soapbox topic for me. Sorry.

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luvbeagles 01-12-2021 09:58 PM

As I read through the original post and each of the replies, I could easily identify with each of you. I am three days from the end of the semester. High school. In person students. Block schedule. We were reporting to the classroom until our state saw an increase in the number of cases. We have been remote since the week after Thanksgiving.

Many of my students were not working while we were in the classroom. Many of my students have not attempted any assignment while we have been remote. They are signing in to our digital class (because I can see this), but they are not doing any of the assignments.

We were told to not give too many assignments or assignments that would take too much of their time because it is overwhelming. We have 90 minute classes. My assignments take approximately 15-20 minutes! But then there is rigor...

My syllabus states that I do not accept late work. Toss that out of the window. Our principal wants us to do whatever we can so that the students do not fail. Accept late work. Grade generously. Give assignments that do not have right or wrong answers so they receive credit for just responding. Think about not giving zeros. But don't forget the rigor...

I remind students about due dates. I've extended due dates. I started shutting down assignment submissions last week. I have got to get my grading caught up! Now they are in a panic. I get at least 7-8 messages per day from students or parents who are asking me to open up assignments so they can complete them. We are THREE days from the end of the semester. They are working on final exams that are due Thursday. Who is going to grade all of these assignments? Should I plan on loading up on caffeine so that I can work 24/7 on this upcoming three day weekend so their grades will be wonderful and ready to be submitted on Tuesday morning? Do I just ditch my family this entire weekend so I can work ALL weekend because my students refused to work for the last month and half?

I don't think there is a solution. I don't think we will ever please everyone. Teachers will always be blamed. I place the blame on our state superintendent. Last spring our kids were told that whatever they did during remote learning would NOT lower their grade. If they did the work and it helped their grade, it would count. If they did the work and it lowered their grade, it would be tossed out. If they didn't do the work, they would be exempted. And now they are expecting the same treatment this year. Sadly, it will probably happen. Let's wait and see...

FictionFab 12-12-2020 06:05 PM

Logged out for anonymity. We have been 100% virtual and live all day every day since the start. There is so much work piled on us from admin that I haven't actually graded an assignment completely for months. With 100+ students, planning periods nearly nonexistent, crazy long lessons we have to turn in, data from everywhere we have to write up and turn in....I glance at the work.

I did try, at first. I spent a week not moving from my desk area at home from 8a-11p (bathroom and food breaks obviously) and I could still barely keep up. I refuse to have no home life. No way would I fail anyone anyway - to do so means having to attempt parent contact, fill online call logs, come up with a random assignment to take more of my time, and then be pushed to grant a passing grade anyway. Skipping that mess.

Ima Teacher 12-11-2020 09:34 PM

I’m making deals with kids now. If they do X, I will drop Y.

One kid messaged in a panic because he has “more work than I can do in a week” Well, it wasn’t supposed to be done in a week. It was supposed to be done in 9 weeks.

mommy9298 12-11-2020 03:40 PM

I hate to say it but I have given up fighting many battles. Let the parents do the work and give answers. We can only do so much. I’ll still be teaching the same grade level next year, but good luck to many kids next year when we will hopefully be in school. There will be many meetings and retentions. I am so backed up with my work due to checking who is missing things. I cannot keep up.

dutchgirl 12-11-2020 02:32 PM

We have been remote the entire semester. Some kids never show up and turn in absolutely nothing, but now teachers have to make phone calls and try to help them get a passing grade. The phone call requirement started just in time for the last two weeks of the semester. How is that even possible? If it's possible to learn everything in two weeks, why did I spend an entire semester teaching?

P told me earlier in the semester that I was giving too much work (I did about a third of a normal year) and that he was telling parents to concentrate on the core classes and not worry about electives. I don't know who he told, so I"m not making phone calls. I assigned less work. Kids still don't turn in any work - they will still earn an F. If P told them not to worry about my class, he should have withdrawn them.

it's insane. I know life is hard right now. It's not a reason to reward them for quitting.

nucleus 12-11-2020 02:11 PM

Our district has instituted a no F policy for remote learning. So if you don't come to class, do no assignments, or do everything poorly you get a D. No matter what. But now we are treating a D like an F and we have to call home and talk about what WE can do to help the little snowflakes get a C. WTH

Teacherbee_4 12-11-2020 10:48 AM

I, too, am over the no consequence thing. I'm also over the "let's bend over backwards to make sure kids get high grades rather than deal with the potentially upset parent" mentality. I feel like grades are becoming more and more inflated, and I don't think standards based grading with the numbers is a way to go either. No matter what system you use, there will still be problem if you cave to parents. I seriously feel that since "rigor" has become more common in schools, it's actually gotten less rigorous.

Do you have a late work policy? If so, I'd say you have a late work policy and plan on enforcing it. Now, if you are 100% online, I do understand that there should be some grace, but those kids also needed to make an effort before that!

GreyhoundGirl 12-11-2020 09:53 AM

I’m so over this whole “no consequences” thing. And it’s translating to real life and adulthood as evidenced by entitled adults, judges rulings (hello Brick Turner), and rude people who constantly yell and abuse people.

Since when did it become ok to act without consequences? Since when did it become ok to do nothing and get passing grades and move on to the next grade? This is such a pet peeve for me and a huge soapbox topic for me. Sorry.

dutchgirl 12-11-2020 09:19 AM

We have one more week this semester, and our P is encouraging us to help kids get a passing grade. Don't turn in any work all quarter, and try to make it up in the last week? Who gets to grade all that? I want to send it all to P and tell him to help them catch up and grade it. How about we only teach one week each quarter? That might work.




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