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Should I just lay it out there with the facts. If this happens that is what you do, do this to prevent him from doing that, don't call on him or pressure him to participate or do anything that might piss him off. If he refuses to to leave the room for lunch or recess do this. Never ever do A,B or C.

Take data on the attached forms to document the the type of behavior, the time, the duration. On the attached form fill out his success in the appropriate box for type of desired behavior and the time, be sure to do this in double so that one copy can be sent home.
That actually sounds good. Keep it simple and fact-based. The first paragraph actually would be a good start to a behavior plan.

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Kinderkr4zy 02-15-2016 10:52 AM

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If you are concerned with child find, why doesn't the districts psych/social worker/sped teacher come in and observe the child? They should be giving you ideas on what to do and helping collect data. Is admin aware of the situation? What are their thoughts?
They have come in to observe but only barely. My site only has a psych 1 half day a week and only 1 sped teacher who has her hands more than full. In fact she is scheduled with students even through lunch and right up to the dismissal bell. The sped teacher has the most pull and she is the only reason they are even listening to me about needing to do something immediately. At first they were just saying they would retain him- I said that would not help, and in fact since he is learning and making progress academically he would just be bored and that would make things worse- I told the sped teacher this and they finally listened.

We are just starting this week the new plan to have him picked up when he won't stop tantrumming or refuses to leave the room for recess or lunch. Since it is new I'm extra worried about my sub.

Also no buddy teacher support since my whole grade level will be in the same trainings. And none of the other teachers will touch him with a ten foot pole, they just sympathetically pat me on the back when he is having a wowzer of a week.

They told me to just keep the data for the behaviorist, who has never been out since mom is refusing such services.

It was hard to make many plans at his last iep since mom refused to come to it. We rescheduled to see if she would come given more notice and different time, but she still refused to come. We think she is refusing because of some deep seeded denial. I am actually his second k teacher since he had TK last year (in my state kids who turn 5 from August first to December 1 get 2 years of kinder) and he was, according to documents we received even worse last year at his old school and reverted to wearing diapers to school. When pushed to do the behavioral/mental health assessment last year mom refused it and then moved him to our school this year and disclosed none of this or even that there was any behavioral/emotional concerns. She didnt even bother to meet with me on the first day. She just dropped him off at the curb on the first day.

He is in speech but refuses to participate and has fits with the speech teacher to the point that we cannot finish his triennial since he won't participate in testing. It's been a sticky situation especially since he is so hit or miss that we just never know what will set him off. One day he is great and nothing bothers him, the next everything bothers him and he won't even participate in his favorite subject. One day he hates everyone and everyone is "mean" to him and he refuses to walk or speak for hours, then 3 hours later he is laughing and having a ball with the other kids. Just the other day he was sobbing and kicking the tables, he refused to speak (his favorite control grab) so I told him to point to what was bothering him he started walking around then stopped and shook his head. Then I asked do you know what is bothering you? He shook his head and sobbed harder. Sometimes the crying just goes on and on for an hour or more and it is loud. I just hope his parents will allow him to get the help he obviously needs.
GraceKrispy 02-15-2016 10:25 AM

Good feedback from others and good for you for being concerned with confidentiality for this student.

I think you should leave a separate document detailing the actions needed to be taken for certain behaviors (like a behavior plan, but be sure to write it simply and clearly). You don't have to specify anything that will break confidentiality, just be objective and clear about what behaviors require what reactions. I wouldn't insert it in the lesson plans because you want to be sure to point out its importance as a separate document.

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Should I just lay it out there with the facts. If this happens that is what you do, do this to prevent him from doing that, don't call on him or pressure him to participate or do anything that might piss him off. If he refuses to to leave the room for lunch or recess do this. Never ever do A,B or C.
Yes!

The data collection is much trickier. I think it's honestly a lot to expect a sub with 23 kinders to do when the sub hasn't been part of it before and doesn't really have experience with that particular data collection. As you said, the paras don't even do it. You might get some data, but I don't know that you'll be able to trust its veracity. If you can explain the exact behaviors to code and give a sample (NOT one of his true samples- just a made up sample of what the behavior tracking should look like), that might be helpful. A picture is worth a thousand words! Is it for sure that the admin is expecting the sub to track them in your absence?
eeza 02-15-2016 10:11 AM

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Should I just lay it out there with the facts. If this happens that is what you do, do this to prevent him from doing that, don't call on him or pressure him to participate or do anything that might piss him off. If he refuses to to leave the room for lunch or recess do this. Never ever do A,B or C.

Take data on the attached forms to document the the type of behavior, the time, the duration. On the attached form fill out his success in the appropriate box for type of desired behavior and the time, be sure to do this in double so that one copy can be sent home.
That actually sounds good. Keep it simple and fact-based. The first paragraph actually would be a good start to a behavior plan.
teachingtall 02-15-2016 01:08 AM

Why does the parent refuse to do any kind of testing/behavior plan? Are parents aware of their child's needs?

If you are concerned with child find, why doesn't the districts psych/social worker/sped teacher come in and observe the child? They should be giving you ideas on what to do and helping collect data. Is admin aware of the situation? What are their thoughts?

For your sub, definitely layout steps and do's/dont's. Do you have have a buddy teacher the kiddo could go to for transitions? Teacher B comes and gets the kiddo to go to lunch? Also do you know of activities that the kiddo enjoys? Could you offer times during the day where he (or the entire class) get to do that special activity if behavior is in check? As for the data you while you are gone, I would not have the sub collecting that data, they will have their hands full as it is.

I agree with eeza, draft a quick, heres the down and dirty and student x. If this happens do this, if this happens do this. Here is my buddy room info.

And as a classroom teacher myself, I truly hate to say this, but would it be the worst thing in the world for this kiddo to be pressured and set off? Often times kiddos come into my room (self-contained ED), after the parents have been called day in day out to come pick up their child or to deal with a major behavior issue. I AM NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN FOR EVERY CHILD, but with the details you have provided it sounds like the parents need to see that, in order for their child to be successful, he may need additional support.

As a teacher, I feel awful when I see a kid that needs obvious support but the parents don't see anything as being wrong. I had that happen this year with a student who was not even in my class and I was supporting my gened teacher and my special education program manage go in a very heated convo with the team and asked pointed questions as to what I was doing there.

You are not in this alone, it sounds like you have a lot of good things going for this student, but it sounds like this kiddo really needs some help outside of your classroom.

Kinderkr4zy 02-14-2016 10:39 PM

For my half day sub Wednesday there is no para at all since paras for the school are morning only unless special permissions are given and the para agrees to work late...which she doesn't this time. Friday it's still just an hour in the morning. We are actually short subs for the day so paras and everyone else will be stretched thin..otherwise known as just another day at the office

Also no one but me knows how to keep the data, since no one but me has ever done it. They just expect me to be made of awesomeness all the time and to do it myself while teaching 23 kinders . So even if we got the para time for the full day on Friday the para still wouldn't know how to take data and has never done so.

The parent did refuse in writing however apparently there was a similar situation at another school in the district last year, the parent signed the refusal then turned around and sued and won so everyone is feeling very nervous about this situation.

Should I just lay it out there with the facts. If this happens that is what you do, do this to prevent him from doing that, don't call on him or pressure him to participate or do anything that might piss him off. If he refuses to to leave the room for lunch or recess do this. Never ever do A,B or C.

Take data on the attached forms to document the the type of behavior, the time, the durration. On the attached form fill out his success in the appropriate box for type of desired behavior and the time, be sure to do this in double so that one copy can be sent home.

Is it that simple...is that saying too much?

eeza 02-14-2016 07:41 PM

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parents refuse assessment or special Ed services for his emotional/behavioral needs
Has the refusal been put into writing? If so, then the parents cannot come back and say that they didn't know about the district's concerns. However, a district can get a lawyer to get the kid tested.

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I have to keep data for his behavior near constantly but, for confidentiality reasons I'm not sure how to explain how to do this but not violate confidentiality.
Can another para sub for your para and take the data? At least the para would have had experience taking data before (or that would be my hope).

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I also need the subs to know protocol for extreme behaviors
Where I am, any kid can have a behavior plan whether or not he is ED. If there is one, leave it for the sub. It should be pretty simple where it wouldn't talk about past history and other confidential things (i.e., trauma, abuse, diagnoses, etc). It should just be factual. If there isn't one, maybe one should be drafted.

Hope this helps!
Kinderkr4zy 02-14-2016 05:25 PM

I will need a sub twice next week for trainings. I have only had a sub one other time this year-also for a training but the school-knowing the issues of my student allowed my para (who I usually only get for an hour a day) to stay in the class all day and basically be the students one on one. This isn't a possibility this time.

So, here is the gist. My student is possibly ED but the parents refuse behavioral/mental health assessment. He is special ed For speech only right now, but as a special Ed student he has a lot of rights and things have to be done by the book. There are worries that we could be found out of compliance with child find over this. The district has even be contacting lawyers about how to proceed with this student who can't function in Gen Ed, is special Ed but the parents refuse assessment or special Ed services for his emotional/behavioral needs. It's a hot mess basically.

I have to keep data for his behavior near constantly but, for confidentiality reasons I'm not sure how to explain how to do this but not violate confidentiality. I also need the subs to know protocol for extreme behaviors but again how do I explain this and explain when protocols are enacted without disclosing a bit. In the notes I have I bolded info about this student and not touching him or pulling him by the hand if he refuses to leave the room and to never be left alone in the room with him but what else should/can I say and without violating confidentiality.




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