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Disruptive children and complacent staff
Old 01-24-2018, 06:54 PM
 
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First, let me say that I have taught ages 3-12th grade in 3 nations. I have a total of 10 years classroom experience. I feel quite confident and at ease even in those first few weeks of a new year at a new school.
I just started a job at a CDC where I am just an Asst. Teacher. I prefer this due to my current life situation and the schedule. I thought this would be a simple job that I could leave it all at the door each day when I clocked out.
I have NEVER been presented a class where 5 out of 10 preschoolers were defiant, disruptive and even aggressive. The children are permitted to run around the room, not clean up the centers, scream at each other AND the teachers! Today I had a child have an all out meltdown that lasted 40 minutes. She was all over the room, kicking me and even spitting in my face. She screamed in my ear so loudly that my ears rang for 10 minutes. Meanwhile the "teacher" next door said nothing. The staff all say "yes, we know _____, that is how she is". She gets two of the other students screaming and you might guess that trying to have any sense of order is impossible. I do NOT agree with grabbing a child. But today I had to because in this meltdown she went up into the loft and was in danger of hurting herself and the other children.
The owners of the center are aware of the problem and other parents are complaining.
Problem is, by now- in January, they should have learned social skills and be more harmonious. The morning teacher is not practicing classroom management in any way. She just says "No!". So how can an afternoon teacher make even a dent? I am already looking for a new position, but wanted to hear any advice given. My experience tells me that this is a no- win situation, but since I am an optimist, I post to see if anyone has suggestions on how I might retrain this class.


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I have been in very similar situations. It made me very sad, but without the administration's support, things will most likely remain the same. You are better off finding a new place. Take extra care to research any school you apply to. A lot of them will try to sell it to you because it is so hard to find good preschool teachers. Most of us get paid less than garbage men, which is atrocious considering the importance of the young child's mind. But, that's another soapbox. Anywho, research schools well before accepting any positions. YOU interview THEM. Meanwhile, give those babies lots of love! Good luck!
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Old 02-10-2018, 08:32 AM
 
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I am writing incident reports on a child in my room, but that child is aggressive toward other peers (and the teacher, too). A daycare center has to have the documentation in place in order to expel a child. So be sure to document each event, and carefully watch to see if the child is hurting other kids, which you then should document. Type up a checklist with boxes you check off (or maybe put down the times instead of checking off) so you can monitor the occurrences.

Some others might have good ideas of what to say to her when she is calm so she can learn to handle her overwhelming feelings and avoid meltdowns. There's a lot of wisdom on this board.
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Sounds like it's not too unusual...
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Four main things speaking from much experience:
1. The teacher/s may need help and mentoring if she/they are young, for example.
2. The teacher may have child/ren who are actually in need of being verified. Education in this 'box' is not working for them! They may need observations from specialist/s in case there are other issues with that child. Hearing and processing checks, speech/language assessments. There may be something physical etc.
3. Children are getting harder to handle because they are starting school too early and parents aren't socialising them properly from when they are tots for example.
4. The main thing is that it is nice you care, but YOU need to take action! You are crazy.... being so good.... that you are not exercising your talents in the best possible way for the children you have been trained to teach. Please get into a Classroom Teacher role and TEACH to make a difference to this upcoming generation!
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Old 02-14-2018, 04:47 PM
 
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Thanks to each of you. Update: I went to work a week after posting and the little girl had been asked to leave the center. That helped a bit, but there were other issues. There is only a portable room divider between the 3's and 4's and the noise level is not acceptable to me. I have been around the block enough times to know that a place that has people who have been there for 10+ years ( several of them!) will NOT be open to suggestions. I had begun to make headway for several days in the most basic skills- sitting, sharing, taking turns talking. But it all gets undone every morning, so by the time I get the class they are tired and already programmed for the day. The kids (both 3's and 4's) still run all over the rooms and leave toys out.

I left. I have decided that while I may start another private school in a 3rd world country; teaching here is in my past. I am pursuing my Art business instead- something I have wanted to do for a very long time!


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Old 02-14-2018, 04:53 PM
 
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The "teachers" definitely need mentoring!!!!!! But they are not "teachable". The morning teacher has been there 19 years and continually tells me that and that she was the one to train the 4 year old "teacher". Yet there is not a speck of order nor management.
I watched a documentary last week that stated 1 in 10 children have some form of mental variance now.
I have worked with children on the spectrum, and non verbals, etc. The problem at this center is the complete lack of understanding of basic education. The owners state they d on't want to teach the kids. But you can't just warehouse them for 9-10 hours a day!!! They need structure AND free play. Beating my head against the wall and I can see where this is leading...
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