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Old 02-03-2018, 09:10 PM
 
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Hi, long story short....a kindergartner cut his hair while we were doing a project. I contacted Mom, took his scissors away after chatting/etc. And she was ok until he got home. He had a chunk missing from his hair. She sent me a nasty email that was so over the top that I sent it to my principal and asked her to respond. My principal said I should have called admin when he cut his hair. I was really confused as we have a huge school and by the time they contacted his mom it would be weeks later. I have been teaching k for a long time and never thought this would be an admin issue unless he cut someone elseís hair. I feel like I just had two blows. I work hard every day and did not feel supported at all. Is this usually an admin issue?


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You did the right thing. My guess is when mom saw it she was mad at child but didn't want to take it out on him/her so you get to be the scapegoat.

Kinders cut their hair all the time. Often it was the kids who never got to use them at home.
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I teach 2nd grade and had a 2nd grader who cut her own hair. I e-mailed mom and grandma (she lives with both) and they laughed it off. I can't imagine involving my principal! Kids will be kids! Geesh.

I agree that mom was mad at son, but took it out on you. Like you could have prevented it from happening!!!

Put all this out of your mind. You did nothing wrong. You couldn't have prevented it. Kids will be kids. Parents will be parents. Not your problem! Seriously, I wouldn't give it another thought!
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Often it was the kids who never got to use them at home.
Yes, because, usually kids do this at 2 or 3, when they first start using scissors. My DD did it at 2. Beware the silence when a 2 YO is in the house!

I understand why you feel upset. And I am sorry that this happened. You went to admin for help & they threw you under the bus. When things like this happen, I try to give my P a heads up so that if they hear something from a parent, they heard it from me first. But I agree that you need to put it out of your mind. 5 YO knows not to cut own hair. Mom knows this but now she is embarrassed by kid's missing chunk, so blames you. Not your fault.
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Thank you everyone! I did get an email from my principal saying that I should respond back with her ccd and include an apology. I had a hard time doing this because I didnít cut his hair or do anything wrong in my opinion. I just said Iím sorry you were inconvenienced and had to take him to the barber. These are the standard kindergarten scissors and youíre welcome to send in safety scissors. She said that I was responsible because I bought the supplies and sheís buying everyone training scissors. Her email was ridiculous. She also got mad because I sent the kids out to recess in the rain (every class does and we have indercovered areas). She accused me of trying to giver her son the flu.


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Well, by not supporting you and asking you to apologize the P just gave that psycho parent carte blanche to blame you for everything from the rain to to sky being blue. It will cause you a lot of headache, but take some pleasure in knowing it will cause the P more (you only have the kid a year, the P will have to deal with this parent for the next 5 ).

Also, if it makes you feel better, my brightest 3rd grader cut her eyebrows when I had a sub. Mom put the blame where it belonged, on the kid, and sent her to school with her 2 year old brother’s safety scissors.
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Oh my - so sorry you have to deal with crazy mom. There's no way I would have taken that to admin. But I'd be happy for a new class set of scissors!
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That is my thoughts exactly. Iíve been teaching kinder for 10 years. I didnít do anything wrong. I even contacted the parent immediately. Not sure what I even could do differently. Iím not stubborn and am usually laid back but I feel weird about sending an apology. Iím giving myself a day. Iím afraid if I send an email things will just get worse. And now if I donít Iím not following my principalís ďdirectionsĒ.
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The apology bit would bother me greatly! You did NOTHING wrong. Grrrrrrr!!! I am ticked for you!

Is your P one you can go and talk to about "what exactly you are supposed to apologize for"?

Not watching the students closer?
Having the wrong types of scissors in class?
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I think this is ridiculous. Your P sounds like a wimp to the nth degree!
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It gets worse. Iím in tears. Mom cane to school pissed and waited for principal, and I emailed my principal today (Monday) if she still wanted me to send the email to Mom. She responded ďyou didnít send communication yet? No wonder Mom came in upsetĒ I was going to send it today because itís Monday. Iím not sure what I could have done differently. I contacted Mom on Friday. I ended up sending an email just now apologizing profusely just to end it. I guess Mom wants to have a meeting with admin and me. I wish she would just stop. And my principal is putting all the blame on me.


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Wow. Again, I remain ticked for you and your situation.

Stupidity at its finest.

4 more months dealing with this lame parent. You can do it.

As for your P...I'm speechless. True wimp!
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That's terrible! I am so sorry your P doesn't have your back. So it happened on Friday & because you didn't send "apology" until Monday, she was at Ps door on Monday morning??? That stinks! Good luck with this PITA parent. Unfortunately, It's probably not the last you'll hear from her this year, especially since P is a wimp.
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Old 02-07-2018, 07:07 PM
 
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I'm sorry you have such a complete idiot for a P
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Not the last...she actually came INTO my classroom this morning unannounced and she didn't check in. She threatened me and told me that she doesn't want her son near my scissors (they are the standard K Fiskar scissors) and that even in first grade she wants him using the safety scissors. I emailed admin and they just responded with "don't worry about first grade". I should not have to deal with this and decided when the transfers come out...I'm looking.
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she actually came INTO my classroom this morning unannounced and she didn't check in. She threatened me
Your P really is crap if that happened and the parent isn't in trouble. Absolutely no way anyone should be allowed to threaten you without consequences. If a parent pulled that at my school, all communication would be required to go through admin.
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Talk about lack of security in your school. She shouldn't be able to get down to your classroom without signing in and better yet having an escort. What if she had a gun? It's happened and probably over less. Your principal is a wimp and could cause a lot more issues by being one.
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They all cut their hair.... . And some kids are so weird-ish (and immature enough) that they don't understand to never do it again! Some will! So...... even across the world, yes, please know, in my school, two have already cut their hair. You have done nothing wrong and feel free to express that to Admin!

Mum then, can deal with his lack of fine motor skills since he can't use proper scissors.... AND sorry to say but IMHO, female Principals are the WORST!! You have not been blessed there- but don't let this stop you loving the rest of your children- don't forget the others. They are your proiority. I wish you well with much positivity ahead.
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For Lilybabe---- I can't believe your post!!
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Sounds like it's time for a transfer. Your principal is unbelievable! I'm so sorry this happened to you.
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You don't think with all the school shootings that it is scary that an irate parent can get to a classroom and threaten a teacher?
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Let me guess . . . is the child a firstborn or only?

My own three all cut some of their own hair around ages 4 -5. My daughter did it right before preschool picture day! My son even cut the cat's short hair. You did everything right. Your P is being walked over by the parent.
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your principal never taught Kinder. herself. Do you have a union rep. that can attend the meeting with you? Our reps are always ready to comply. You need an advocate in case your principal doesn't support you again. You need to feel safe. Have any of the other Kinder teachers backed you up and confirm that cutting hair is normal Kinder behavior? I agree with previous posters that this issue will give this mom a green light for other situations or confrontations in the future and the prince will need to deal with her. My principal always puts switching classes on the table in situations where parents are out to discredit the teacher. Unfortunately, parents like this usually only agree to ideas or ways to solve to the problem if it comes from THEM. Please keep us posted. I feel for you.
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Thank you. I have chatted with several kindergarten teachers...we've all had cutters. The other K teachers were shocked that the principal wanted to know about all cutting from now on. We have a large school and I have never had a principal who actually cared about this because it happens. Most parents get it. The mom contacted me again and said she wanted her cardboard box back (she sent it to school with Valentine's Day cards in it). I had recycled it days earlier and am just going to have to lie and say it must have accidentally gotten picked up. She would cause a huge fit if I told her I recycled it. It was a cardboard box from Costco. I definitely felt like she's trying to find reasons to get at me. I'm sad that admin is not supportive in this case. I know that admin has not taught k before. It is completely different from all the grades. I am hoping for a transfer to a school where the principal used to teach k for many years. I just won't know until it is posted. I just don't like going to school unsure of when she is going to show up angry. She gets mad at things that I don't see. But I shouldn't have to be afraid of my own classroom. Especially with everything going on right now. My anxiety is already high enough. Any meeting with this mom will involve union for sure. I just hope that there isn't one.
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Iíve had a kid do this. Iím sorry the parents got upset. Kids can be sneaky and quick, sometimes we just canít stop them. We were doing small group work. I HAD to walk away from my group to help a student with a nose bleeed. I was gone for 2 minutes at the most and hadnít even left the room. Little boy cut a chunk out of his hair. Thankfully the parents blamed the kid, not me (he had done it at home, so they understood how quickly it can happen. They also made him get a hair cut because he said thatís the reason he cut his hair- he couldnít see with his bangs in the way . I informed admin immediately, and they laughed it off, even though I was freaking out! So to answer your question, I would have informed admin. just to because I know how they knit-pick, but you shouldnít be in trouble for something so common and trivial.

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Kids cut their hair all the time, its part of the scissor cutting process. Don't feel awful about it and I think you contacting her was the right step. Some parents just have a need to pick on various things...
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Sorry that happened with you.
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Stupid me thought I would contact mom to tell her how he is doing because honestly...he is having a really hard time listening and following directions. He is all over the place. She accused me of singling him out and not teaching him. I'm not even sure how to respond to that since I am ALWAYS with him and neglecting the other kids. I sent her a message saying that he punched another student in line because that student cut. She said that the other student shouldn't have cut in front of her son in the first place and I should have disciplined him too. Today her son threw a large rock into the parking lot at recess...I didn't even tell her that because now I'm afraid she will get mad about that. She said that I let him write his letters and numbers backwards and he's not learning. I know I can't please everyone but I'm feeling unnecessarily attacked. And I don't know why. I am concerned that she says I'm singling him out because we are different races. I hope that's not what she is insinuating. I finally told her that he doesn't need a chart if she prefers and that it was just a tool for communication. UGH!
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Haha!! Absolutely NOT, I am sorry the US lives with such intense fear of that because we haven't had a single shooting. Our Government is proactive and against guns and ownership is frowned upon unless you are a farmer on land. We wouldn't have many dangerous farmers!!
Elementary Teachers here would never dream of scissors being a weapon by an adult or child!! That is crazy thought.
Our school and all the others = zero security. All our classroom doors and windows without screens are open to nature, fresh air and anyone can come along from outside and stroll on in. Our visitors sign into reception before they go to rooms for whatever reason. It is a happy, sunny, peaceful and relaxed environment. We don't even have a gate near us. We have over 650 students. And you know what? We wouldn't have it any other way.
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Must be nice... but here in the US we have custody battles that end up at school, irate parents who threaten staff, parents who have taken swings at staff, parents who have swore and threatened staff, children who have wandered off, etc. Everyone is suppose to check into the office around here and we're to know who is in the building at all times. The idea that someone who has already threatened a staff member can now walk into the classroom unescorted is scary. I think there are countries that value teachers more than they are valued in the US. In the US it's not at all uncommon for a parent to swear at staff or make threats. Now, sometimes the threats are more "I'll have your job for this!" versus "I'm going to hunt you down!"
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