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My non-teacher friend didn't seem to understand
Old 08-09-2019, 06:02 PM
 
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I've actually been pretty private about the fact that I've been denied two promotions within my building. I finally told a friend about it today and while he's very well meaning he started to talk to me about the fact that maybe I need to be honest that other people were more qualified. Honestly more qualified means more initials next to their name perhaps? I still say people get passed over because of politics.

He told me to stay positive and I'm actually tired of being positive I just want to be treated like a human being in my own profession.

Forgive me for being so honest I'm just not feeling good at all tonight. If you respond please just be nice about it I don't need tough love.


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I'm with you. The whole "stay positive " thing with teachers is detrimental and is why teachers are no longer paid for what they are worth.Teachers better wise up and speak up more or their lives will become much more difficult.
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In my district it has nothing to do with qualifications and everything to do with politics and who you know.

I just applied to a neighboring district. The first thing my friend said was, ďI can make a call for you.Ē And honestly, thatís the only way Iíll get an interview there. I declined.

Your friend doesnít get it.
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Old 08-09-2019, 06:12 PM
 
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What kind of promotion were you trying to get? I didnít realized teachers could be promoted!
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It wasn't really a promotion like I wasn't going to get more pay. but I would be full-time in one place instead of part-time in two.


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When I started in my district, after subbing, I was part time, paid by the hour, no benefits. People in my position were told we would not be given tenure, we would be let go at the end of three years. I applied for several contracted jobs in the district, as well as an aide job. I was passed over. It was devastating. So I think I understand. Looking back, it was the best thing. Each of the jobs looked good at first but either weren't the best grade, or building, or working situation. With half a year left, I was hired as a replacement for a retiring teacher. Of all the positions that came up, it was the best fit.

Take some time to grieve for the loss. I am a believer that things happen for a reason.

I hope something great happens for you soon!
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Old 08-09-2019, 07:24 PM
 
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That would be really hurtful, especially when you know a huge factor (probably ďtheĒ factor) in you getting passed over is who that person is or who they know.
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Old 08-09-2019, 08:44 PM
 
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I'm sorry it hasn't worked out for you yet. I hope you get it soon.
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Most people outside of education don't "get it." My sister and mother "get it" because they work(ed) in education. My brother and father don't get it because they both own(ed) their own businesses.

Both districts I've worked for I was hired after the school year started. I had applied to both during the spring/summer hiring season and didn't get an interview. My grades are excellent and I have references that spoke highly of me. In a way, both districts hired me because I was the best out of all the reduced pool of candidates.

One time it was between me and another candidate. She was young, pretty, and had graduated from the district. I, on the other hand was 10 years older and not interested in coaching a sport. They hired her. Two weeks into the school year she decides this teaching thing isn't for her and resigns. They held her to 60 days and had a series of day to day subs (one was me) fill in a week at a time. After the holiday break they give the daughter of the district business manager a contracted position. She finished student teaching a week prior.

Another time I learned of a maternity leave Reading Specialist position in a district/school where I had been subbing frequently. I called the principal, even though the position had just been posted I was told it was already filled and the posting was a formality. The teacher they hired was a neighbor of the principal and had no experience other than student teaching. She didn't know the curriculum, reading series, DIBELS, Aimsweb, or any other diagnostic tool the district used.

Sometimes it's what you know, other times it's who you know. I always read the school board minutes for districts where I want to work, very informative. For many new teachers their edge is technology. When I sub I take note of what technology the district uses (hardware and software) then I learn more about it. iPads are the must have tech device in many districts so I took a PD class on using iPads. I already had an iPad, I just needed something to say I knew about them.

Don't get discouraged. I left the first district because of the limited opportunities it had for advancement. The second district, was much worse off academically, but the pay was better and was awash with school improvement funds. When that ran out I was furloughed.
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Old 08-10-2019, 12:18 AM
 
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So sorry. In my district, it's who you know. Purely politics, and no loyalty. I'm a longtime employee of the district, and have been passed over twice in favor of hiring outside the district. I'm not the only person this has happened too. Again, so sorry.


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I'm sorry, Violet. It is crummy to have that happen.

The sad thing about being split or on a cart or any such position that is often seen as needing a "promotion", once they have you there, they don't want to lose you because they will have a lot more trouble filling that type of position than one that doesn't have those quirks.

I can see why you are so disappointed.

I will say that this isn't much different in other positions. There are "less than" situations that don't get rectified for the same reason. It is easier to keep you there than put someone else there. Sometimes the only way out is to let them know you will leave if it isn't fixed. It isn't right. It is not right at all.
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I hear you!
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District I live in seems to assign bonus points to the following...

Graduated from the district, and played on an award winning team sport, or some other award winning club. (with the ability to coach or run that club)

Has a parent in some hired capacity in the district, and is in good standing with upper level peeps.

Your parent/you personally knows the principal/district peeps as friends.

You know someone working as a teacher, but this is an pretty weak as a pull. The teacher has to have good connections for the reference to be worth something.

I've also found if you are too good at your job you'll never be moved. District never hires the excellent subs. My SPED friend teacher could never get transferred because she was too good in their ASD program. She had to quit and look elsewhere for a general ed class room out of state.

You also never know what rat faces are talking crap, which keeps you from being moved too.

I get being positive, but Detroit Edison doesn't accept positive as payment. Lol..
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So sorry...
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i definitely feel there is a lot of politics in schools. My last principal played favorites and it was pretty predictable who was going to be named Teacher of the Year in the building, be on certain committees or help with interviews, whose opinions would be solicited and treated like gospel etc. What has to be frustrating is that often in situations like this, you don't know why you weren't chosen, so you can't do what you need to possibly shore up your resume for the next time.

The sting of rejection definitely hurts. I hope you have a wonderful year with your students despite the fact you didn't get the latest promotion. And good for you for continuing to push yourself to grow as a teacher through pursuing new opportunities.
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I know politics play a role in
Old 08-10-2019, 05:02 PM
 
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Every profession, but it does seem more prevalent in education. I think it has to do with how administrators see the profession. Despite their lip service about the importance of our job, they don't think it's worth the effort to find out how well people are doing their jobs.
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Thank you
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You all have been very kind. I'm even tearing up a bit partially because I'm tired but also because your responses are so encouraging. Wish you were in my building.
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Every profession, but it does seem more prevalent in education. I think it has to do with how administrators see the profession. Despite their lip service about the importance of our job, they don't think it's worth the effort to find out how well people are doing their jobs.
This! Iíve had a lot of jobs, and the majority non-teaching, and Iíve never seen politics, nepotism, and favoritism as bad as it is in the education world.

It really irritates when they post a job as a formality and donít even intend on interviewing for it. I feel bad for the people who polish up their resume and cover letter and have their hopes up. And schools that require the online application are especially crappy when they do this. Those things take HOURS to complete.
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