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Old 10-06-2009, 12:43 PM
 
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The policy in this district is if an assignment is 4 hours or more, you will be paid for a full day. I signed up for a 4-hour assignment, and was planning on asking if they needed me to stay longer... but I hoped it wouldn't have to be the whole afternoon. When I checked the board this morning, I noticed the hours had been changed to 3.5 instead of 4. No-one ever called me about it. I called the secretary of the school and she said they realized that the hours would involve a full day of pay, so they cut it to 3.5. I stated that a half-day pay would have an impact on my budget, and that I had specifically signed up for a day that would be full pay, with the intention of asking if they needed me to stay longer. She said HR had told her she should cut the hours back. Nice to know HR is looking out for the Substitutes -- lol.

In the end, they had me stay the full day. I wasn't happy about it, but I figured that if even if I "won the battle," (of getting to leave early and still get full pay) I would "lose the war" re: possibly getting fewer assignments at that school. I enjoy working there in general, but wasn't happy about today's events. Anyone else have this happen?


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Old 10-06-2009, 12:58 PM
 
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Well I have to say that I agree with that decision. You should only get paid for what you work for and I am sure that rule will be changed at some point. You shouldn't get paid for hours you don't work. The school has a school district to look out for not individual substitutes so I may sound rude but I think they made the correct decision being responsible for the district and a budget. I would love to stay only four hours and get paid a full day but that is not usually how the real world works.
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Fred, I realize that in general it's not how the real world works, but it has been the policy for at least five years (to pay a full day rate if you work four hours or more). One of my main points is that they did not notify me of the change in hours/pay at the time they made the decision to change it. They should at least give the Substitute the courtesy of allowing them to switch to a full-day assignment, since that is what the Substitute would be counting on -- a full day of pay. (In this situation they did allow me to stay on, but that was not a guarantee). Yes, they are responsible for the school budget, but I'm responsible for my own budget, and I can guarantee you that their budget is larger than mine. All I was asking is for them to follow their own policy.
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Nope, not buying it. Your post made it sound like your battle was solely getting a full days pay but leaving early. You said in the end you did end up getting a full day but was not happy about it - so you gave me the impression that you were not happy that you actually had to work for your pay because you complained you needed a full days pay to support your budget but you did not want to work a full day. I do think it is common courtesy to let you know of a change but that is not always possible and due to the nature of your job you should be more flexible to these obstacles.
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I can see your point "Fred Flintstone" about my comment of not being happy, but it mainly had to do with how the situation was handled. Believe me, I have been very flexible in the years I have been doing this job. Also, my main question was if anyone else had had this happen. Thanks.


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I don't think they should have changed it on you after you had already signed up for 4 hours. If they changed it after you signed up, they should have notified you first. (if I am understanding the situation correctly)
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Old 10-06-2009, 04:06 PM
 
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When the job was posted it was for four hours which means they have to pay you for the full day. If they didn't want to pay for a full day then they should have posted it at 3.5 hours.
To view it as contractual law, I can't make an offer which you accept and then unilaterally change the terms.
As far as I am concerned once you accepted the four hour day then they have to pay you for the full and you notice that they did keep you for the full day.
HR might have told her she could cut the hours back, but you can bet they never told her she could change it after having the job accepted.

Fred:very little in the schools works the way the real world works, and I offer this little episode as an example. Try telling a union electrician you need him for a full day and then after he shows up tell him you only need and will pay for a half day.
The only reason a school pulls this craps is because they can get away with it. Raise a fuss and they don't call anymore.
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Mimi, yes you understood the situation correctly.

Augustus, I admit I was kind of hoping you would reply to my post, and I thought you would reply along the lines of what you wrote. You are right that there are definitely real-life situations where they would never post a job a certain way, have someone accept, and then change the terms right before the person started the assignment (i.e., by either cutting their pay to half of what was expected, or by expecting them to work 7 hours instead of 4 for the stated pay).
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Old 10-07-2009, 04:23 AM
 
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isn't that the truth...raise a fuss...and we're labeled "difficult" and to be apprehensive to give out jobs to...

I work in a non-union state ( I know of some states that have subs who are in unions) and this garbage behavior happens all the times....switched assignments/grades/levels/having a job canceled and you're in the office!!!!

I've heard enough stories about subs who raise a fuss and "POOF" just don't come back (either by choice or otherwise HMMMmmmmMMM!)
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Old 10-07-2009, 06:19 AM
 
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Of course, they were wrong for not letting you know that it was going to be a half day instead of a whole. Would it have been right for you to show up and all of a sudden say - oh I can't stay 4 hours - I can only stay 3.5? Now that said, you handled it right, by staying and working.

I have had this done to me too. I also have had them change assignments on me - which is annoying - its like bait and switch as far as I'm concerned. What I did was make a personal note of it. If it happened too often then I wouldn't accept assignments from them. We still have a shortage of subs so there is always work somewhere. I have no problem cutting a district some slack if it only happens once in a while due to an emergenancy.


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This has happened to me too - the school would post a full day and it would turn out the students were testing and only had a half day and somehow it wasn't posted on the computer for the right time.

Or I would see on the computer my assignment which was a full day - turned into a half day - but it was four days ahead of time - so I just cancelled the assignment and had enough time to find a full day one.
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Old 10-07-2009, 04:30 PM
 
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I once had a specialist job for a full day. After I was there for an hour the para asked me, "You know this is only half day don't you?" I said no, the computer said full day and I don't do half days. I expect to be paid for a full day. She went to the principal and came back and said that the principal looked on the computer and it says full day so it is full day. I sat around the afternoon with little to do. So to the that school's credit they did the right thing. Sometimes they do.
I also think if you show up for four hours and expect to get a full days pay, but then they keep you all day and of course you still get the days pay...well that is the way the system works. I have no problem with that situation. We are paid by the day.
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Here's another reason it's unrealistic to refer to "real life" when talking about a Substitute Teacher job. I worked in Human Resources for many years and of the dozens and dozens of jobs I dealt with at three different companies, NONE of the ones which required a Bachelor's degree would have paid as low an amount as we get paid to be a Substitute Teacher. (This state requires a Bachelor's degree to be a Sub).

I look back to my first year of Substitute Teaching. At that point, I didn't know about the 4 hours being paid as the full day. I thought if it was a half day, you were paid the half day rate. It was 3 days before Christmas and I signed up for a half day job, 8:30 to 12:30. Of course, I made all kinds of plans for when I left at 12:30. The Coordinator called in the morning before I left for work and asked if I could stay all day. I said sorry, no, I had made plans. I was at work for maybe 15 minutes when the Acting Principal showed up. He asked, "How's your Christmas shopping going?" I didn't really know him at all. I said, "If you're asking because you'd like me to work a full day, I'm sorry but I can't." He stalked off without saying another word. I pictured him thinking -- You'll never work in this town again. Lol. At the time, I wondered why he seemed so grouchy about it, but now realize he must have been angry to pay me for the full day for four hours. However, he did NOT try to change it to half day hours, the way the other school did (same town).

All I'm asking is that schools list the hours they expect one to work and then pay accordingly. If a mistake is made when listing the hours, at least apologize. Given the overall requirements of the job, (low) pay and lack of benefits, I don't think it's too much to ask. I think I'm just getting grouchy, lol.
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Old 10-10-2009, 03:57 AM
 
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You are definitely right. No doubt about it. I hope everything works out with the person who was offended that you wanted to cancel weeks in advance. She is so wrong, but she may have power over whether you get to keep coming to that school.
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