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Old 02-25-2020, 04:50 PM
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Is anyone else beginning to think about this seriously? The CDC said today that we, Americans, should be prepared.


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Old 02-25-2020, 04:55 PM
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I have some concerns. I have a trip scheduled this summer.
People don’t wash their hands or take precautions
concerns about shutting down schools- how would we make it up?
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Old 02-25-2020, 04:58 PM
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I have a friend who works for the CDC. She posted this link and says to stay away from media sources. Basically, it's their job to think through how to prevent this, but we don't need to be especially worried, unless under special travel circumstances.

I think this says a lot:
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Currently, COVID-19 is not recognized to be spreading in U.S. communities.
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Old 02-25-2020, 05:12 PM
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I don’t worry about it any more than I worry about other illnesses, such as flu. We have had two kids lose parents to flu in the past few years. Many have been seriously ill.
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Old 02-25-2020, 05:14 PM
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This reminds me of snow is coming and get the milk and bread panic. I’m not too worried about it yet. When the illness in the US gets in the tens of thousands, then I’ll worry.


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Old 02-25-2020, 05:21 PM
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I've heard some pretty wild ideas about what could happen and how the virus came to America however I also remember that Americans usually have one pandemic to worry about every year . I am not worried right now about the virus.
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Old 02-25-2020, 05:46 PM
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My parents are supposed to visit this summer to see my new house. My mom is freaking out about flights being cancelled and/or airports/planes being a problem. Personally I feel like she's being a little ridiculous. I told her to get the travel insurance .
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Old 02-25-2020, 05:46 PM
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I have a friend who works for the CDC. She posted this link and says to stay away from media sources.
But...the CDC held a press conference today and literally said Americans should start preparing for the possibility of a major disruption. The woman giving the presser even said she told her own kids it was time to think about how to prepare for an outbreak.

I realize there's a lot of hype, but there also seems to be a lot of apathy. China quarantined a city of 31 million people. They welded people into their apartment buildings, built two new hospitals, and started converting stadiums and old schools into medical centers. I think there's something to pay attention to here.

For most of us, this illness will be like the flu. But a significant number get seriously sick, seriously fast. They're on ventilators for a month, trying to recover from the illness. Do we have enough hospital beds for that?
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Old 02-25-2020, 05:56 PM
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I teach English to children in China and they haven't left their apartments in a month. School is being held online and they might not have summer vacation to make up the work they are missing. Some schools won't reopen until April. I was concerned when I heard the news today that the CDC is urging businesses and schools to have a plan in place in case they are closed for an extended period of time. I take the same precautions that I always do during flu season but I'm not that worried.
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Old 02-25-2020, 06:03 PM
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When the illness in the US gets in the tens of thousands, then I’ll worry.

Ditto.


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How do people get supplies when they run out?
Old 02-25-2020, 06:12 PM
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My son and I need prescriptions. How would we get them? What about food?
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Old 02-25-2020, 06:33 PM
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Does your health plan offer an online prescription option? Mine is much less expensive than using the regular pharmacy for ongoing prescriptions.


Maybe we can do amazon (or other store) grocery delivery too!
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Old 02-25-2020, 06:53 PM
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I was curious of what different opinions are on this. It is interesting. Thank you all for sharing your opinions. They are similar to my school, some starting to take more notice, and some not at all concerned.
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Old 02-25-2020, 07:14 PM
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I didn’t give it a second thought until the CDC report today. That got me worried about what would happen if we can’t go to work. I’m no longer a teacher and neither DH or I get any PTO. I could do a small amount of my job from home and DH could do none (but he works in online shipping so they might try to stay open).
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Old 02-25-2020, 07:42 PM
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Is anyone else beginning to think about this seriously? The CDC said today that we, Americans, should be prepared.
I tend to waste most of my anxiety on impossible things that will most likely not happen, like my plane crashing, a shark attack, a rogue wave killing me...I’m sure I can think of more so I haven’t had time to worry about the virus.

I have the same reaction from the cdc telling us, “we should be prepared” as when we got the alert to prepare for missles heading toward U.S. from Korea. How? How do you prepare for a bomb? How do you prepare for a virus? I think they are just trying to give us illusions that we have some sort of control over this. The best we can do is to ride it out and hope for the best. Maybe take advantage of the cheap airfares.
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Old 02-25-2020, 08:24 PM
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A co-worker was explaining that he felt the flu death numbers were worse in the US compared to the Coronavirus deaths in China. He basically felt if we were going to worry about something, we should worry about the flu and it's complications.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6908e1.htm
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Old 02-26-2020, 01:17 AM
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It can be hard not to worry.

I’m in Hawai’i and surrounded by Chineses and Japanese. My room faces the hotel where the Japanese couple stayed who tested positive for Corona when they got home. I constantly wonder if they went to the same restaurants, same shops... A salesperson here told me to go to the drugstore and buy a mask.

I’ve limited where I go and what I do.

I was surrounded by people coughing and sniffling in my flight over. I’m sure my flights home will be the same.

I can’t wait to get home so I can relax.

I will be amazed if this virus doesn’t hit the US.
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Old 02-26-2020, 05:00 AM
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I'm getting concerned too! Since 2018, I was planning to go to Japan for the summer Olympics, which is now less than 6 mos away. This is a dream travel goal of mine. The fact that it's the summer Olympics AND Japan will probably not come around again until who knows when.

My fiance' and I finally have our appt next week to get our passports. It till be almost $400 for us both. We'll still go ahead and get them.
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Old 02-26-2020, 06:09 AM
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Masped, why in the world would your passports cost $400? The fee is $145, plus the pictures. Pictures at Walgreens work just fine and don't cost more than $20. You still have 6 months, so you should be fine in getting them back by then.

Don't scam yourself into more than that.
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Old 02-26-2020, 06:32 AM
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Here is what she has to say about current events:

February 25, 2020 (Tuesday)

"Today has been weirdly unsettled as coronavirus news broke, the stock market tottered, and Trump attacked the Supreme Court and California Democrat Adam Schiff while trying to use the coronavirus crisis as an excuse to cut government further.

But before I get to any of this, let me clarify something: you are hearing a lot now about the coronavirus “pandemic.” There is a HUGE difference between a pandemic and a deadly pandemic. A pandemic just means that an infectious disease has spread across the world. It does NOT mean that we’re all going to die from it (as people keep helpfully shouting on Twitter). So be smart and prepared, but don’t panic.

Today the administration acknowledged that the coronavirus is likely to spread across the nation, even as Trump surrogates tried to argue that it was contained or—as Rush Limbaugh said—just the common cold (four coronaviruses are among the viruses that cause what we call "colds," but this is a new, vastly more dangerous, strain). This turnaround revealed how woefully incompetent administration officers are. In a painful exchange between Senator John Kennedy (R-LA) and acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf (another acting secretary, rather than a permanent one), at a Senate Appropriations subcommittee hearing, Wolf got the statistics for the death rates of coronavirus and influenza wrong (it appears to be around 2% for coronavirus; the death rate from influenza is about 0.1% annually), admitted he had no idea how many hospital beds or masks America has, and generally seemed completely over his head.

It was an interesting exchange, because Kennedy, of course, is a Trump enabler. Him lacerating this inadequate Trump appointee seemed to me simply to show his determination to demonstrate for voters his dominance over the younger man, since Kennedy is part of the cabal that supported seeding the government with these unequipped appointees in the first place.

For his part, Trump did not help. He told reporters that “We’re very close to a vaccine,” and that “we’re really down to probably ten” cases. Researchers say they are 12 to 18 months from a vaccine, forcing the White House to say that Trump was referring to an Ebola vaccine, not a coronavirus vaccine, when he spoke. The CDC has confirmed 57 cases of coronavirus in the U.S., but since the coronavirus test sent out by the CDC earlier this month turned out to be faulty, we have tested only 426 people aside from those evacuated by air from other countries. So how many cases we actually have is unclear.

Also interesting is that the administration is finally admitting we have a problem, over Trump’s objections. He appears deeply concerned that coronavirus worries will hurt the economy. Stock prices continued to slide today for the fourth day in a row, with the market taking another hit as the Dow Jones Industrial average was down 879 points. Trump’s surrogates tried to be reassuring. “We have contained this. We have contained this. I won’t say air-tight, but pretty close to air-tight,” Trump’s Director of the National Economic Council Larry Kudlow said on CNBC. “The business side, and the economic side, I don’t think it’s going to be an economic tragedy at all … The numbers are saying the U.S. [is] holding up nicely.”

Trump is clearly most concerned about his political standing. In India today, he slashed at two Supreme Court justices he perceives to be his enemies, calling for Justice Sonia Sotomayor and Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg to recuse themselves from any cases involving him, even as news has broken that Justice Clarence Thomas's wife has been delivering suggestions to the White House for "disloyal" employees to fire. (Remember, the Supreme Court next month will take up the question of whether or not his accountant and banks have to respond to subpoenas for Trump’s financial records, as lower courts have insisted.)

He also called for an investigation into House Intelligence Committee chair Adam Schiff (D-CA) alleging without evidence that he leaked classified information about Russian interference in the 2020 election. This, too, seems like deflection, since all evidence suggests that the leaker was Devin Nunes (R-CA), who news reports based on the accounts of several people present say told Trump about the meeting.

With people distracted by news of coronavirus, administration officials are not slowing down their determination to destroy the New Deal government that we have come to rely on. Far from shying away from their destruction of the activist government as it becomes apparent to most of us that slashing funds for the Center for Disease Control and Prevention and getting rid of the pandemic specialists on the National Security Council were a colossally bad idea, the administration has used the crisis to continue to downsize government. The administration wants $2.5 billion to pay for the emergency response to the coronavirus, but it only wants $1.25 billion to be newly appropriated emergency money. It wants to transfer the rest from existing programs, including $535 million from money appropriated to containing Ebola. It has also informed Congress that it intends to fund the emergency response to coronavirus by taking $37 million intended to provide heat to almost 750,000 low-income families. If it persists in this demand, it is essentially holding our safety hostage in order to achieve the goal of dismantling the New Deal government. Democrats say they want a clean emergency funding bill.

Today 70 former U.S. Senators indicated their worry about Trump’s increasing power. They wrote an open letter to the Senate noting that it has abdicated its legislative and oversight responsibilities and has given them over to the president. It is not, therefore, fulfilling its constitutional duties. The bipartisan group of senators called on their currently serving colleagues to create “a bipartisan caucus of incumbent senators who would be committed to making the Senate function as the Framers of the Constitution intended.”

So all this should sound terrifying, right? But, curiously, to me the worrying patterns that have been taking shape over the past months seem newly unsettled. None of today’s news is good: a serious disease, a sliding economy, an incompetent administration, an autocratic president. But all of these elements are creating an instability that will shake forces loose. It is times like these that throw all the cards up in the air. While it is scary to experience that chaos, it is also a time of great possibility. We can step back and let autocrats grab all the cards for themselves and consolidate their power. But we don’t have to. This sort of shock gives us the ability to catch the cards ourselves and reorder them on the table in entirely new patterns, ones that can build a different future."
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Old 02-26-2020, 07:13 AM
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We should find out more tonight

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I will be having a News Conference at the White House, on this subject, today at 6:00 P.M. CDC representatives, and others, will be there. Thank you!
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Old 02-26-2020, 07:16 AM
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and I'm decently worried. Not for myself as I'm young and healthy, but for the aftermath. A lot of the problems come from the lack of information in the US. For example, individual states can choose not to report suspected cases to the CDC. Hospitals and the CDC can also not report to the public (which has been happening). For example, most people are unaware that there are thousands under self quarantine in California right now under the recommendation of the CDC or that a flight attendant was wandering around LA while she had the virus. Or the fact that the CDC has done almost no testing. At this point we've done about 1000 tests in over a month. That's not even enough to test just the people who came back from China. We've been taking a "bury your head in the sand" approach to protect our economy.


That being said, I think protecting the economy is the right thing to do. All sources, globally and now finally in the US, have said that this virus will likely take hold nearly everywhere. At this point, testing would be pointless since the point of testing is to find a patient and isolate them to stop the virus. Now that every continent has a case, it's likely that someone will spread it to the US. All it takes is one tourist from Italy to infect a single other person in an airport. Since we can't stop everyone from traveling, the next best thing is to recommend that people be prepared for it to spread and for a quarantine.

Tangent over

Does anyone know if teachers would still get paid if schools shut down since we're salaried?
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Old 02-26-2020, 07:21 AM
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For prepresses, they're advising schools and businesses to have plans in place in the event of a quarantine or high infection rates. For individuals and families, the doctor yesterday who did the news announcement suggested being prepared for your daily life to be disrupted. She suggested making sure you have enough supplies inside your house for 30 days, such as medicine, food, toilet paper, diapers if you have younger kids, etc.
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Old 02-26-2020, 07:29 AM
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that we had a pandemic chain of response team prior to 2018 but it has been eliminated?
I tried to google and just didn't find a definitive answer. If we don't have one, do you think the US will appoint one? Does the US have money in the budget for it? I read that cuts have been made to fund the CDC.

Anyway, I am concerned but not in a panic. I am no longer in a classroom with 25 kids all sneezing on me and asking me to "hold my tooth" that they just wriggled out. So kind of less of a threat to me. However, on the other hand more of a threat because of my age. I wish that America had more citizens who trusted and followed science and medical findings more.

I just hope that Trump listens to the CDC and not his spiritual advisor who may just say it is God's wrath for having so many Americans leading sinful lifestyles.
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Old 02-26-2020, 09:15 AM
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kahluablast, thanks for your comments. I'm going through the library method in one shot. I don't want to go over to Walgreens, etc. to get photos taken. I know it's $140 per person in a check and then we each want the book and wallet-sized card so we have everything so that's $35 + $12 = $47 cash for each of us. So, $374 total which is almost $400 to me.
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Old 02-26-2020, 09:29 AM
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I think Clarity stated it well:


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For healthy people it shouldn't cause panic. For those who are elderly and / or with compromised immune systems it is more of a problem. Those of us at low risk should watch out for each other and be prepared to help those who might need the extra help and really are under quarantine.
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Old 02-26-2020, 09:51 AM
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they are the words of Heather Cox Richardson, who is way more knowledgeable about any given subject than I am. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heather_Cox_Richardson

Funny, I turned on my car radio this morning and Glenn Beck was on. I sometimes listen to him for the irony. He did not disappoint. First, he told everyone there was nothing to worry about, the virus is under control. Then he started hawking some company's emergency food supplies and warning that the demand is so high right now that they are two weeks behind in deliveries. Then he went on and on about what a blow to the economy the pandemic will be, followed by hawking some kind of July seminar, adding, "Everything should be fine by July and the virus will have disappeared." Thanks for nothing, Glenn.

I just loaded up on TP, Water, and miscellaneous supplies. We already have a good supply of canned and dried goods in the house, but it would not hurt to get more, I suppose. My farmer buys his fuel oil to run his equipment and heat his house two years at a time and he has his own well and septic system. I suppose if all hell breaks loose, we could hide out at his house, but he does NOT have Internet, so I would be totally lost.

I live about one mile from the Canadian border, and within 100 miles of two international airports, plus our little APO is also called "International." We have people coming back and forth from Canada to shop, see doctors, etc., so I am guessing we are at a pretty high risk, even considering that this is basically a one-horse town (not counting Amish horses).

I am planning a trip to CA in the spring.
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Old 02-26-2020, 09:58 AM
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Jim Bakker is still selling his buckets of food for the end times. So, order up and you will be fine. !

Passports-my DH and I just renewed our passports by going to our local hall of records. The clerk checked over our paperwork, took our photo, our old passports and we paid the fee. Fast and easy, plus she noticed that my DH had made an error filling out his paperwork! He used his first and middle name on one place and his first and middle initial on another place on the form. Thank goodness she caught that before it was sent out.
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Old 02-26-2020, 10:05 AM
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This UK doc has an interesting series on COVID-19.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Campbellteaching/videos
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Old 02-26-2020, 11:09 AM
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I just read an article that the schools in Hong Kong are all teaching remotely. So, the students don't have to go into the schools but the teacher does? I'm not equipped at my house to reach via computer so would have to go into work.

It's not safe for the students but safe for the teachers
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Old 02-26-2020, 01:23 PM
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have been completely thought out yet. I think they are off the cuff thoughts and will be refined as needed.

I could see a teacher going into their empty classroom and sitting at the classroom computer alone and making lessons for the students and putting them online. I can see them wiping everything down to disinfect everyone.
That is very different than sitting in a classroom with 25 young children with varying degrees of skills at keeping things sanitary. Yes, little ones like to lick things, random things, odd things. I know YUCK-thank goodness they are cute.
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https://news.yahoo.com/us-officials-...213400069.html

We have no way of telling how bad it will be or how badly the fear of it will be used to manipulate the population. People are getting so overwhelmed with one thing after another and meanwhile, all kinds of things going on at governmental level that are easily camouflaged by these daily catastrophes. What is really going on? Does anyone know? What better way to gain control of people's movements with little effort or external force. This would make excellent science fiction. Psychological thriller on a par with Outbreak or The Andromeda Strain, but with a whole other layer.
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Old 02-26-2020, 03:38 PM
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Oh no, now there's talk about possible Olympics cancellation! There are many articles that can be looked up:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisette.../#128c3a0b4c9e
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I know people say we should be worried about the flu instead, but I'm actually more worried about coronavirus. Not for me, necessarily, but for my elderly parents. My stepfather has a lung condition and my mother has a heart condition. They could not handle getting this virus.

The flu has a mortality rate of .5%. Coronavirus is estimated to have a mortality rate of about 2% -- primarily those who are old and with existing medical conditions. There's a vaccine for the flu and also medications. There's nothing for coronavirus. The really critical cases need ventilators for weeks and weeks.

I'm not panicking, but I am paying attention. I hope everyone is.
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Old 02-27-2020, 05:42 AM
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chipmunky-My point is not the issue of being in an empty classroom, it's the fact that their teachers are still required to go out into the streets, probably use mass transportation to get to their nice clean, sanitized classroom.

I'm not an alarmist so at this point am not overly concerned.
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Old 02-27-2020, 06:06 AM
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in my post #24.

I found the answer myself. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tr...DAtSoQTj-Ax0dk

Yes, Trump fired all the response team.

Violets2-sorry, I understand the fear of going outside in public if the spread of the virus gets that bad. And you're right. I wasn't thinking about getting to the school.
Sometimes it is just all about me. I live less than a mile from my school. My experience is hop in the car while in my garage. Drive about half a mile, get out walk by myself into the school. Meet no one, talk to no one. I should be more self aware that others don't have that same experience.

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Old 02-27-2020, 07:00 AM
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Does anyone know if teachers would still get paid if schools shut down since we're salaried?
I think contracted workers would have to be paid but would also have to abide by whatever the district/state decided about making up lost time. As in China, that might mean no summer break, teaching online or some combination of the two. Probably who would get hurt worse would be non-contracted workers, which in this area, means paras, and some food service and janitorial workers.

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So, the students don't have to go into the schools but the teacher does? I'm not equipped at my house to reach via computer so would have to go into work.

It's not safe for the students but safe for the teachers?
I think a couple of things are true. One is that it doesn't really take that much equipment to teach a class online anymore. If you have a decent internet connection, a webcam, Skype, Google Classroom and a headphone/microphone, you can teach an online class. I imagine that districts would help teachers with this.

But, also, it would be safer for teachers to go to school if there weren't hundreds of students there. (Although, I take your point that it's a problem for teachers who rely on public transit to get to work.)

ETA: I've thought for quite a while that remote learning is probably the future of education. I think it will be a mistake from the standpoint of socialization and human contact but definitely better for the "bottom line" (no bussing, no need to maintain huge buildings) not to mention issues like discipline, bullying, school violence, epidemics, etc.
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Old 02-27-2020, 07:59 AM
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We have a high Chinese population and the kids go back to China regularly. I am concerned that schools do not have the power to quarantine even if they know the student is returning from a high risk area. We all know how parents pump their kids full of tylenol and sent them to school with fevers.

My medical center questions everyone to see if they have been out of the country and has a separate area set up for those people. I've talked to my doctor about it and she says that they know people lie about where they have been but they have to go by what they say.
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Old 03-02-2020, 09:06 PM
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I am in an district with many asian students. I have seen numerous times students given tylenol, advil to reduce the fevers during the day so the kids go to school and they go to work.
My students are always reporting that their grandparents are coming and going from these countries. It is very concerning and making working in a classroom even more stressful than ever.
Anyone else the least bit concerned that this community "spread" will be spreading into our classrooms - or may already have?
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