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Has anyone gotten or been denied unemployment?
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I honestly can’t really figure out the language of what reasonable assurance is for educators in my state, so I can’t tell if I qualify or not. My sub office and union can’t tell me either. According to the calculator they have, I wouldn’t come close to paying a fraction of my bills. I have to do quarters and I have nothing for the summer really so it brings my payout down. I’m better of finding a job and not even filing. Schools are screwing us so damn hard right now and this 1k check the govt is promising won’t help me at all really to stay afloat.



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I think those who depend on their subbing income and are able-bodied enough need to consider looking for temporary employment. This is going to last for a long time. Realistically, I will not sub again until August. Several stores here are hiring on the spot because they are so overwhelmed with restocking. Looking ahead, they will inevitably have some employees unable to work either due to their own illness or that of someone they have to care for. They will need extra help even after this first burst of panic buying is over.

This will be an unpopular opinion, but in most situations, subbing is not a viable career path or long-term employment choice. It works for those looking for a short-term way to make money while their kids are in school, those seeking occasional, supplemental work and income, and possibly those biding time until a full-time teaching position is offered to them.

We all do our fair share of venting about bad days on this board, but some here seem to truly detest subbing. This crisis might be the nudge they need (once widespread hiring resumes) to find a different field of work.

I do unrelated work as an independent contactor. Since I can pick and choose where/when/if I work, there is no expectation of receiving "benefits" that would be provided to traditional employees. The day's work we are contracted for is the entirety of the obligation we owe to each other.

The government's pockets are only so deep. There is no way it can give infinite aid to all of the industries, small businesses, and individuals who are affected by this.
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I don't understand why some of you guys are asking for permission from your district to file for unemployment. Why not just apply and see what happens? You're just postponing anything you might get.

This is the first time I've ever applied, so I know nothing about employment, so I should probably recuse myself, but I just applied the day after I was told we were closing down.

I don't see why anyone would think you could get unemployment for not working during the summer, or breaks, because you know you won't be working during those times?
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They can give trillions to banks in loans and billions to airlines and cut us a 1000 dollar check? Thatís socialism for the rich and peanuts for us. What a scam. They could institute a tax on the super wealthy right now or use the money they make from
Student loan interest. They could get money from lots of places. Itís not like I am sitting around asking for free money. My job is gone. Subbing may not be the best, but it has paid my bills for several years if I balance it out with a few other things. There really arenít a lot of job options right now. I can kill myself at Amazon or work for low wages for a super market and most likely get exposed to the virus, and then they will cast me and others aside.

The fact is the govt will need to either give people the money they were earning, provide jobs for us( canít see that happening), or forgive rent and utilities until this is over. Even then, people would still need money for food, internet and gas. The govt needs to wake up and realize that our country is broken. My friend that made 12k a quarter in CA got 450 a week and didnít need it, and I got nothing and was going broke. People canít live on unemployment.
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Who is saying any of that bodhi? My state system is so stupid I would actually make a little more on the weekly payout if I waited for this month to end because I made more money this quarter as opposed to last quarter. Iím not afraid to apply. If they shut down all of the jobs, they canít really expect us to live on meager one time check payouts.


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I've heard those things several times on here.

Even my eye doctor is closed. I thought that doctors would stay open? Luckily, my appt was yesterday. I called today to leave a message for him and they're closed? I know they didn't have to close. Even my husband is considered "essential," so I know the eye doctor is. I think they probably chose to close.

I know that's off topic, but I was just surprised and I was responding, anyway.

Take care of yourselves as we hunker down, ya'll.
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I think itís a little harsh too say schools are screwing over their subs. At least, where I live, subs are ďon-demandĒ employees - they donít actually work for the school district, but are almost freelance.

Itís such a rough time across the board right now, that itís hard to see how others are struggling when our own perspective is clouded by our own struggles. I agree with previous posters - it may now be a matter of searching for alternatives. Many large companies like Amazon, Kroger, Hy-Vee, Wal-Mart, etc., are hiring temporary employees to help with the surge of online and delivery demand. Not ideal, but we are hardly living in ideal times.

Keep your chin up - it will get better, even if it doesnít seem like it at the moment!
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When I filed earlier this week, I answered the question, "Did you receive a letter of reasonable assurance..." with a 'no' because it's true. I hope the first person who receives a check lets us know on this board!
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I don't think unemployment is meant to fully meet our previous wages. Subbing is kind of a unique job as it is.
Please look into unemployment in your state, get what you can at least in the short term.
Like others have said, there are companies hiring now. On our local news last night, they said many workers at our Roundy's warehouse (grocery) were working 16 hour shifts. Those workers could really use some of us to help out. ( the warehouse is in my state, but far from me)
Hang in there, and reach out to groups in your community for help that you need.
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That's the title of a little book someone recommended to me after I'd been laid off a few years ago. I had a "secure", well paying corporate tech job. I was already over 50 when I took the job. I planned to work there till retirement and collect a nice pension. Instead, only 6 years in, my job, along with many others, suddenly got off-shored to India. Who would've thought? Reading the book gave me perspective.

Stuff happens. It doesn't mean you are a bad person or a failure. Everyone goes through bad times. No matter how carefully you try to plan, things can still go wrong. No one can predict every future event. Certainly few people expected a global pandemic crisis!

The important thing is to be as flexible and adaptable as you can so that you can go with the changes and quickly move on rather than fighting the current and staying stuck in the past or mired in bitterness and negatively.

And if anyone has learned to be flexible and resilient, it's those of us who've been day-to-day substitute teachers.

We can do this!



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My niece worked part-time at a daycare which closed last week and was pretty sure she'd get a very small unemployment check. She immediately applied for and got a job at Amazon/Whole Foods for $15/hour plus an extra $2/hr through April 30th. She will be a Shopper, collecting and packaging online grocery orders for customers to pick up. They also had jobs in the Amazon warehouse getting online orders ready for shipment. She only applied for a temporary job hoping to return to the daycare. If she likes it, she may apply for a permanent job with benefits.
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These are unprecedented times. Nobody is at fault here. Itís just one of those very unfortunate things. Everyone has been touched by this. Nobody I know is ďnormalĒ right now. Nobody.
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I applied at the beginning of the week and haven't heard anything back. I'll let you know if I do.

"Just get another job" doesn't exactly work for me when the state I'm in is locked down, I'm barred from leaving the house except in the case of an emergency, and only essential businesses are operating. I'm using this time at home to train for a better job in the future, but who knows when places besides the grocery store (which, in addition to being a petri dish that guarantees you'll get sick from working there, also already has a crew and isn't hiring in my case at least) start hiring again. I will agree that subbing isn't a long term solution for anything though, and this situation has definitely demonstrated how valuable (lol) we are to school districts that cry every day about never having enough sub coverage. Hence, why I'm actively working towards something else right now and hoping this whole thing blows over before my savings runs out. I'm lucky to have savings. Many others are not, and I'm genuinely scared for them.

Having said all that, all of my peers whom I work with every day are still being paid and continuing to work via distance learning software. Within my professional sphere, none of my coworkers have been thrown to the wolves like I have, and it's just a sobering reminder that I need to either get certified, get an office job in the district, or just do something else with my life. In fact, I keep getting these irritating group emails from the superintendent referring to the district as a family, and it just makes me really bitter because I got hired through their district, I work for their district exclusively, all year I work for them and have to hear about how appreciative they are that I'm there without ever getting a raise or anything, and now they're just casually pretending I don't exist when it's convenient. Then they say things in these emails like "I know everyone is struggling, but we'll get through it!" while they're all still getting paid their full salary and some are even getting to work from home. Meanwhile I have to find a different job during a pandemic and an economic recession. Okay. I guess struggling to learn how google classroom works is right up there with suddenly being unemployed on 0 notice at a time when you're not allowed to leave the house and every business has shut its doors.


I'm just tired. Every outlet and every piece of information pretends we don't exist. Even the ####ing unemployment page doesn't have our actual job listed. If this place didn't exist, I'd feel like I was the only one actually going through this right now. I wish people would just let us vent here, in this tiny corner of the web, without dropping by to tell us why we should leave home during a pandemic shutdown to get a job in a place that'll get us sick and pay minimum wage if it's hiring at all, or why "it's hard for everyone" like we don't already know that. Most teaching resources pretend we don't exist and the online communities reflect that. Far as I can tell, there's nowhere else for subs to just write about their experiences and chat with each other, but we can't even have that without people who've never lived the life coming in to tell us why we don't deserve compensation and should take our credentials and go get sick working for minimum wage.

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As a career sub since 1997, I identify 100% with the sentiments above.

What adds to the insult is that as of Friday, I have also lost 21% of my retirement mutual funds since investors just can't stop selling.

I would not worry at all if I was younger, but at age 62, these funds might not return fully for years. I hope I can stay healthy and work until I am 70 if necessary.
The exertion needed to stock a grocery store or warehouse is probably more than I can physically handle.

Learning disabilities also make subbing one of my relatively few options, but I might have to get creative.
I am lucky that I could survive for about two years living off of savings, and an additional three years living off of my remaining mutual funds if the selling would stop.
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I just got called a machine call telling me when the day and time of my phone interview for unemployment. Next Tuesday.

What I need to tell you guys is to have pen and paper ready because it only gave the day and time, ONE TIME, and then hung up.
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Youíre in Ca right? Did they ask why they need to call you?
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you know, i'm already a lot calmer about this whole thing than i was the last time i posted, but i still bristle at the notion that people should JUST this and that, and why didn't you JUST such and such thing.

remember, it's not just subs who work day-to-day - have you heard of the rise of the gig economy in recent years? people work these jobs because that's what they can get, or that's what they can do while meeting other life obligations.

the structure of the us system has moved more and more workers toward this sort of job. i'm sure a majority of contract workers would be happy to take something well-paying, with benefits, and a flexible schedule. the fact remains that large us employers are often predatory and arbitrary. why hire and, god forbid!, train people, treat them well, work with them to enable them to stick around while meeting NECESSARY health or family obligations, plus offer benefits... when they have their choice of desperate individuals to chew up and spit out day-to-day? or better yet, hire someone for a fraction of that wage in a third world country? or better YET, eliminate entirely while increasing the work-load on those who remain?

as someone else said, the system is broken and i'm amazed that some still don't see it. the money moves up, everything about us-style capitalism is to maintain and maximize profit on top.

so yeah, the government only has so much. it's amazing, however, to see how much of that benefits those who need it least at the cost of those who are increasingly desperate.

to return to the actual question, no, i decided not to apply. without going into personal details, that lra enables me to go to school full time in summer. i don't plan to claim now that it means nothing and make it harder for myself to accomplish my long-term goals.
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I just got called a machine call telling me when the day and time of my phone interview for unemployment. Next Tuesday.

What I need to tell you guys is to have pen and paper ready because it only ga
Great news! That's fast! I haven't heard from them yet, but I applied last Saturday, so I'm guessing I'll get a call this week. ☺

I believe they probably also notified you via your EDD mailbox. If you logon to your EDD account, you can check your mailbox. All their notifications to you are sent there.

Fractured: whenever you apply for unemployment insurance, they set up a phone interview with you to ask you specific questions about your claim. It's a very good idea to be prepared so that your responses to their questions don't set off red flags and accidentally sabotage your claim. If you go to the EDD website, there is more info about the interview that you can check out.

Guys...be sure to make yourself available and present for the scheduled phone interview. Missing the call or trying to reschedule will cause more delays.

(As I've said before, due to job layoffs, I applied for and received UI several times over the past many years. It was a big help to receive that UI check between jobs. It got me through hard times. Hopefully my info can help y'all a bit. ☺)

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What you brought up, ChessandCheck, about the gig economy was what I wanted to mention. I see subbing as a gig job. Every subbing job I had I tried my best to get another one. I believe most of us get jobs from repeat teachers and schools. Gig jobs need more protection from the government for times like these. Many people like you said have gig jobs because that's what they can get and should not be punished. I have learned last week that more pandemics will be happening. I feel we are the people--especially subs--that nobody sees needing assistance in this pandemic. When they talk about the school’s closers and how it affects people we never get mentioned. I planned this year to be my last and coast out with a full-time job. Our situation stings for me right now because I thought hard about not returning this school year. I wonder how things would be different for me and what I would have been doing job wise. I did not want to find a job during a recession again like I did when I graduated from college, so I am very sad about that. I have one more thing to say. There are many reasons why people sub. I am going to admit something I don't say outside my family. Sometimes I get depressed about being a sub because I got a bachelor’s degree for teaching, and I could not land the coveted teaching job. I did everything I could; I feel I wasn't at the right place for the person who would hire me. I want out of education to uplift my self-esteem by finding a job where I can use my talents to better take care of myself. I use my father as my model because he faced something similar and found his own success. I know I am not the only one with this story, but sometimes I just get sad. I think school districts will have to offer more for people to sub because of the times, and in the near future schools will be virtual. Many things won't be the same anymore.

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I just received a letter saying that my interview was scheduled because I hadn't given them the information they requested and so I was "flagged" for an interview.

I was under the impression that everyone got an interview?
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Everyone does get scheduled for an interview in order to determine eligibility.
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So let me get this, in California alone they had 80,000 applications one day, 70,000 the day before and I think it was 40,000 a day before that ótheyíre going to interview everybody in a climate that says we need to stay inside. I donít see that happening.
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they’re going to interview everybody in a climate that says we need to stay inside. I don’t see that happening.
Phone interview is the usual. Not in person. See the EDD.CA.gov website for more info.
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I'm planning on just telling them that if they were given different information from the districts, to just go with what the districts are saying. Maybe they said net and I gave gross, or whatever. I'm not expecting to get anything, anyway.
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What is the EDD mailbox and how do you access it.
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I only know about the CA EDD website.

In CA, you go to the edd.ca.gov site, Benefits Programs Online page and register using your email address and creating a password.

After you have an account, you login and go to UI Online. You should see an Inbox tab at the top of the page. It contains all notifications regarding your claim (and past claims). (I believe these are also sent to your regular email.)
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I filed March 14th and a week later got a form letter from. EDD re: payment method options for UI benefit payments.

It 's not a. confirmation of benefits and I don't yet have an interview time. But at least now I know they received my claim. The website says the confirmation letter should arrive up to 10 business days after you file a claim.

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I just got two letters from the EDD today, but nothing about my claim and no ID #.

The letters are reminders that I must register at CALJOBS and update my resume, and I must be available for work to be eligible for UI benefits.
It says I do not need to look for work, but I must be eligible for work every day.

It adds I might be denied IU if I do not register AND update my resume.

It was dated March 19, and is blank where my EDD Customer account number should be.
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I didn't get anything about Caljobs or needing to update my resume.
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What a load of crapó we are going back to subbing when school re-opens.
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i don't know if your comment was in regards to having to register with caljobs, or frustration that you haven't been able to find something else in the past, so i'll respond to both.

part of why i'm reluctant to seek unemployment is because i don't want to be stuck having to take a job i don't want or that doesn't work with my other obligations (single parent, school). yes, i'm sure i could work at amazon or the local grocery and leave my kids at home, further destroy my knee, interfere with my education which has a much higher likelihood of leading to the life i want than whatever job i'm stuck taking, and put myself and kids and older family at risk of illness... but i would rather make do as long as i can.

for all the downsides of subbing, the fact remains that it works with my life better than any other job i have had.

so if you were expressing frustration about having to go back, hopefully you can find something to appreciate about it when you do. i sometimes get frustrated and upset about the lack of respect from kids, schools and the public generally, for example, but it's a job that pays better than any other i have had and gives me flexibility to care for my family and my future.

it's very frustrating to know that you have an education and it didn't pay off in terms of getting you the kind of position you want. i got my first degree within two weeks of 9/11 - talk about a weird time to send out resumes! having to look for work at the wrong time like you and your dad is familiar. just remember that the lack of work commensurate with your education and abilities isn't necessarily about you... sometimes it's just a bad time or bad luck. so you keep trying what you can.
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I received my confirmation of UI benefits letter. First payment week started 3/15. No interview.
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I hope you are in CA
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Yes, I am in CA.

Even though I filed a new claim, they just extended an old claim from 3 years ago, which is probably why it got pushed through so quickly, with no interview. It's cheating me out of a lot of money because it's based on prior earnings which were much less than my last year's income. I intend to respond and address THAT with them!

At any rate, just wanted to assure you all that EDD had NO issue with my being a substitute teacher. This is not a standard school break. It's essentially a layoff due to a district shutdown brought on by a public health crisis.

The only real concern for you is how much quarterly earnings you had over the last couple of years because they base your payments on that using a standard formula (which I still don't understand). Go to edd.ca.gov for more info.

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Thank you so much, that information is very helpful to me. I filed last Wednesday so hopefully I will hear something from them soon. I am a sub who has worked pretty much every day for the last 4 1/2 years, so I am really hoping to get something because without it things are tough as my husband is retired and his income is fixed, and of course the stock market has really destroyed our 401(k).
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I was notified by mail today that after filing my first claim form on March 29, I will get $362 a week.

There was no mention of a phone interview as of yet, so I hope I am good to go.

My total allowed benefit is slightly more than I would have earned the rest of the year, but the next year will start before my claim runs out.

Benefit runs for 26 weeks.
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Thanks for the story.
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I have one more thing to say. There are many reasons why people sub. I am going to admit something I don't say outside my family. Sometimes I get depressed about being a sub because I got a bachelorís degree for teaching, and I could not land the coveted teaching job. I did everything I could; I feel I wasn't at the right place for the person who would hire me. I want out of education to uplift my self-esteem by finding a job where I can use my talents to better take care of myself. I use my father as my model because he faced something similar and found his own success. I know I am not the only one with this story, but sometimes I just get sad.
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Thanks for sharing your story...Good luck to you.

I am in a similar situation...I have a teaching credential in social studies. I have applied for many full-time jobs. I was only invited to a few interviews.

Like you, I feel depressed at times...I sometimes cover for teachers who are many years younger than I am...I sometimes feel miserable thinking how much they accomplished...Most of the time, I try hard not to think like that...

I have applied for other jobs in the past...But, no luck...I even got interviewed once for the DMV customer service representative job...That did not work out.

Story about your father finding his own success...That is a good story...I have not found my own success yet. It's still a work in progress.
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Substitute job is not too bad.
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for all the downsides of subbing, the fact remains that it works with my life better than any other job i have had.

so if you were expressing frustration about having to go back, hopefully you can find something to appreciate about it when you do. i sometimes get frustrated and upset about the lack of respect from kids, schools and the public generally, for example, but it's a job that pays better than any other i have had and gives me flexibility to care for my family and my future.

it's very frustrating to know that you have an education and it didn't pay off in terms of getting you the kind of position you want. i got my first degree within two weeks of 9/11 - talk about a weird time to send out resumes! having to look for work at the wrong time like you and your dad is familiar. just remember that the lack of work commensurate with your education and abilities isn't necessarily about you... sometimes it's just a bad time or bad luck. so you keep trying what you can.

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I agree with you...The substitute job does give me flexibility. For last several years, I had a seasonal part-time job. I would go to that job after the end of the school day.
That seasonal job has not started this year yet because of the "lockdown"...

Lack of work commensurate with one's education...Relevant to my situation at this time...

This "lockdown" will end eventually...Then I would not be surprised if many people apply for jobs for which they are "overqualified"...
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No UI in AZ. We are employed by ESI. I'll bet there is an even greater sub shortage next year. I subbed every day for 9 years.
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Is ESI Educational Services Inc?
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When you say ESI, are you referring to Educational Services Inc? Because if you are they're actually encouraging their employees to apply for unemployment. And they have information on their website, instructing Employees on how to apply: https://www.educationalservicesinc.c...19-information .
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Thank you for your reply (longtimesub), positive energy, and shared story. It was helpful to me too. Your reply humanized my experience. I was worried after I posted about being too honest and open about my experiences in the education field. I did not want to be criticized and felt led to share. I fully get the experience you shared and had similar experiences myself. I also like you wanted to be happy for the teacher achieving their goal of becoming a teacher and doing my very best to fulfill the assignment. I am glad my father's story is encouraging because it's for me too. It's what keeps the depression at bay and helped me break away from the education field. He helped me see success outside of teaching also with shared stories of other people he met in life. I am sending you positive vibes and well-wishes back.
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Hi, I tagged you (chessandcheck) to piggy back on your gig job comment. I wasnít asking for advice. It was something I thought about while reading this thread before seeing your post. Many people shared their views on their outlook of substituting jobs. Your post made me want to share mines. I believe that all working Americans deserve a certain level of protection even gig jobs like substitute teaching. I shared my story because I wanted to show how people are trying to better their life gets into substitute teaching. I stayed in substitute teaching longer than I should have because I really wanted to teach. I kind of embarrassed for staying longer, but it was hard for me to give up the dream. I am ready now more than ever. I want a middle-class professional job that I worked hard for in college, and I am putting faith I will find the field that will be more opened to me. I faced a lot of discrimination trying to get my first teaching job, and I got pigeonhole as a great reliable sub. I have my personal reasons like you for why I chose subbing while I plan my next move for the life, I want for myself. The frustration was doing everything to have a career and not given the opportunity. Thanks for trying to be helpful. I very much appreciate it.
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I finally got my resume posted, etc. I highly recommend that you not wait until the last minute to do this (you have 21 days). I spent two frustrating days and had to get my husband to finally get it finished. I had to Google one of the phrases because I had no idea what it was talking about, even after clicking on the question mark (my husband didn't know what it meant, either).

I still haven't seen any actual money, and I applied almost three weeks ago.
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