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I was talking to my best friend the other day who teaches K. One of her students has been very difficult, the latest is spitting on her and calling her the b word. She has been trying to get support from her principal. This last time she talked to P and the behavior specialist about consequences for when he hits, spits, cusses, throws furniture, etc. Their response ďconsequences wonít do anything for him other than teach him that you are unforgiving.Ē


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Jeez. Is that a public school?
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Sounds like a religious viewpoint. Never realized that we could conflate "forgiveness" with discipline. Someone is very screwed up in that school. Tell your friend to find another job.

If it is a public school, I would be challenging the hell out of that comment and its genesis. Sick and crazy world we live in.
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Old 11-19-2019, 08:22 AM
 
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If the teacher is the one being hit and spit on, I would file charges or at least file a police report. That should wake up admin and the folks at home a little. Yes, I know the child is only 5 or 6, but when do we decide enough is enough?
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right...thatís exactly what a consequence is supposed to do; show that your behavior has a negative impact on the world around you.

I swear, if this concept of no consequences continues, weíll soon be living in a society like in the Purge movies.
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I hope your friend gets some real answers and support. What about from the school counselor, instructional coach, or other faculty member?

So if the child hits, spits, or kicks on someone, thatís okay? What happens if the child does this outside of school? At the grocery store? IMO the child needs to learn acceptable, positive ways to react to a situation. The child also needs to learn if he/she kicks someone, there will be consequences as in real life. It doesnít mean that I donít care or love you less. In fact, it shows I do care to show and to teach you the right way to behave.


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Old 11-19-2019, 09:04 AM
 
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Wow! 5his is messed up.

Consequences teach that your behavior is not acceptable. Nothing to do with forgiveness!
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Old 11-19-2019, 11:43 AM
 
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Perhaps when parents of the rest of the students start complaining to the principal things will change. Thatís usually what it takes. This whole new world of no consequences is so harmful.
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The student needs to learn that this behavior is unacceptable anywhere in society. Your friend needs to file charges for battery. The school/parents are unwilling or unable to help this student. It may even lead to student being removed from her classroom. Your friend needs to be the game changer. Someone needs to stand up and say enough is enough.
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Old 11-19-2019, 12:17 PM
 
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Another useless admin not knowing what to do for a kid who obviously needs help and/or better parenting. That child may need some serious intervention of some kid and admin wants to avoid the cost. I'd file charges in a heartbeat and when that happens,suddenly the district starts facing the real problem. Teachers need to get the guts to stand up for themselves.
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Spitting..
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I think you should discuss this with the school nurse and also your own doctor. With all the communicable diseases out there and the number of anti vaxxers that send their children into our rooms unprotected spitting can be seen as a real danger. If you have a union I would take to them as to how you could proceed if the violence becomes worse because if this student gets no consequences it will get worse. He will do worse things because he can.


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Old 11-19-2019, 02:07 PM
 
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[QUOTE Their response “consequences won’t do anything for him other than teach him that you are unforgiving.”
][/QUOTE]

So.... what did they suggest as far as supporting you in being able to correct the student's behavior, let alone the safety of the rest of the class when the child does this?

Sounds like the "behavior specialist" doesn't want to put forth effort in offering any solutions. Sounds like the principal doesn't want to support your efforts and right to be able to teach in a proper environment.

I can just picture the behavior specialist trying to raise his/her own children at home where this same behavior is brushed under the rug and "forgiving."

I agree that when other parents complain, then something will be done!
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Old 11-19-2019, 04:01 PM
 
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My former P used to say stupid stuff like this all the time. "It's your job to get hit." "Children don't have to apologize if they're not ready." (they're never ready) "Consequences hurt their feelings."

There's a reason I don't work there any more.

Good luck to you. Unfortunately, the only solution I've found to admins like this is to move on to a new school.
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Old 11-19-2019, 04:39 PM
 
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I tell my kinders all the time 'I forgive you, but you still need a consequence. Consequences help you learn.'

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Old 11-19-2019, 05:48 PM
 
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The psycho babble thatís en vogue amongst the academic establishment right now. Itís the kind of nonsense that Iím sure is pushed in administratorsí and behavior specialistsí coursework. Itís crazy, and nobody really believes it, but itís convenient to pretend they do so they can throw teachers under the bus.
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Old 11-19-2019, 06:48 PM
 
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I'm so glad I have a supportive P. She's really tough on us with academics, but she supports dealing with severe behaviors. We're dealing with a crazy violent student right now. P has told everyone to just get out of the room and call them (her or AP) when she's escalating so they can be the ones to deal with it. She says she won't let her staff get hurt. I'm supposed to be testing her right now and P said see if she'll go and if she won't, say, "Okay, I'll try another time" and document rather than putting myself in harm's way. She says it's not worth the risk. My previous P would have totally said it was part of the job to deal with violent behavior.
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