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Old 01-14-2014, 08:00 PM
 
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I would really, really like some training about what to do when you get into an unmanageable situation. Related to my previous post: What do you do when a high school class will not work (ok, I don't care if they don't do the work, but they sit and talk very loudly), will not be quiet for a video? What do you do when you have a 1st/2nd split and the boys are constantly out of their seats and disruptive and none of the teacher's or your management techniques work and it takes them 45 minutes to copy a sentence off the board? Luckily, I am rarely in these situations, so I grin and bear it, but I would really like someone to tell me how to handle it. Or are there sometimes just nothing one can do? I've been subbing a long time and it just floors me when I get these types of classrooms.

Any advice except to pray the day goes quickly?


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Most students don't actually watch videos unless they care about them. The teacher should have prepared some questions for them to answer in writing about the video. When I taught I used to hand out an index card and have the students write something about the video. This works from K on up. You could do this if nothing is prepared. Teacher can do what she wants with this info.
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Haven't done HS...
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But someone suggested this for elementary...
They earn letters for the word game throughout the day. Good walking down the hall? They earn the circle on the g..and so on. They can also lose letters for things that happen. At the end of the day, if they've gotten all the letters we play an educational game. It works most of the time.
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Give them 50 seconds to copy, then give a test on it later. If they do not get it, tell them to make a friend and get the notes after school. Remember college? No one allowed anyone unlimited time to do something. You snooze, you loose.

I like to remind high schoolers that they have about 1-2 years (depending on grade level) to get it together and they are going into the "real" world where if you make a boss cross you are out on your keester.

My mantra as an educator (if a sub may use that title) is that I am here to make good adults, not good children. I only respect "adult" behavior, which to me, is behavior that you would see in the working world. If you were the manager of a sandwich shop and the young employees were tossing things, shrieking and not doing their work, what would you do? Choice of: fire, discipline, dock pay, home without pay.


I think they do it because they do not think you have any power, and they are probably right.
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You have probably tried this, but I will use a serious voice (not yelling) and tell them they can either have nice mzmar or mean mzmar. Their choice. Sometimes I have to make an example out of one of those pop-up boys by taking them out to the hall or giving them some sort of punishment. I warn them first--don't be the one I have to punish to show everyone I am serious. Then if it happens to them, they have been warned.


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Old 01-16-2014, 09:18 AM
 
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Most students don't actually watch videos unless they care about them.
This is true and it is rare that they will care about a video. Usually the video doesn't relate specifically to what they are studying. Even if it does, students know the teacher will go over what will be on the test and/or provide a study guide. This is especially true with juniors and seniors.

I'm sure I have less discipline problems than most subs, but you will eventually find situations where you are fighting a losing battle. If the teacher and/or school does not have adequate discipline, you are not going to walk in as a sub and have a well behaved class. A problem I often run into is the teacher did not leave an assignment that is relevant or takes up most of the class period. In these situations I close the door and tell them to keep the noise down.
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The kids in my "inclusive" Math class were watching Gay Porn on their phones. No, they would never give me their phones. They just laughed at me. I will never sub for HS again. Not in a million years.
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When I subbed high school 4 years ago
Old 01-17-2014, 06:18 PM
 
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Test in one room, in the adjoining room they were supposed to go "study" afterwards. Somehow they got ahold of a book of matches were lighting them, blowing them out, and then using the microscopes to study them. They got in to a water fight. They also took their shoes off and were throwing them at each other. I got flustered and said, "Now, everyone put your clothes back on!" that got a nice laugh and mocking from the class! After that I never subbed high school again. BTW, this was a suburban school district. - gay porn! That made me laugh. Sorry, but it did.
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I had this day last Friday. I e-mailed the admin and after 5 days he e-mails me back and said to call the office if they are threatening bodily harm to themselves or someone else, implying that all other situations I should suck up and handle. That was a @#$% day. I wont sub for that teacher again. I just would say no for that school or teacher. They probably treat her like crap too.
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