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Old 09-14-2016, 08:03 PM
 
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I'm signing out just in case a coworker reads this. We have PE at our school 2X a week for 35 minutes. Whenever I go to drop off my kids off at PE, we have to wait for 3-5 minutes for the class before us to empty out. Quite a few stragglers each time. Then, the PE teacher sends my class back 3-4 minutes early. So, on average, I'm losing 6-9 minutes 2X a week.

I know the lunchroom clock is off by about 3 minutes. We have to pick our kids up from the lunchroom, and everyone walks out of their door at the same time to go pick up their kids. (I check the online atomic clock each week to make sure my phone, computer, and classroom clock are correct because every minute counts.)

So, today when my students came back early, again, I walked in to ask the PE teacher if she could double check the watch/clock she uses because my kids keep coming back early. She asked how many minutes early, and I told her it's always 3-4 minutes, and told her thank you. She seemed fine with it. Also, I should be able to walk my students out to lunch recess because my PE time ends at the same time lunch recess starts. It's not worth heading back to my classroom, so I take them straight to lunch recess, and we are always waiting for 3-4 minutes for the other classes and duty teacher to walk out because my class has gotten out early.

So, I leave my kids at lunch recess today, and go check my email, and my P has already sent a blanket email to everyone. (kuddos...not directed straight at me) This is what it said:

"Please do not complain about the time with PE. If the classes are in the gym doing activities, then the clock in the gym which is an automatic clock will be used. If the classes are outside doing activities, then a watch or phone will have to be used. Honestly, there is no clock the same in our building...not even the phones haha.

Remember that PE is a class and not just a prep for you. Please treat each other with respect. It is hurtful and makes others feel less important, but they have the same degree you do. It is the little things that we cannot afford to get upset over. Just breathe

Thank you for being the best staff ever!"


So, knowing that the PE teacher went straight to the P, and knowing that the P knew it was me who talked to PE teacher, I sent P an email telling her that I'd quickly talked with PE teacher, and that no disrespect was meant towards teacher, and that every minute counts, especially at our school.

(The shortage of prep time has been an on-going thing forever. Out of all 4 campuses, our intermediate school gets the smallest amount of prep time. Even our P has said we are always treated like the red-headed step-child on about everything, and has tried to get us more prep time.)

Then, this was her response to me:

I understand and respect your prep time, but this makes _________ feel like the only reason she is here is to give you a prep. This is not the case. She is actually a certified teacher for PE. A few minutes lost is better than not having a PE teacher at all.

After reading this, I'm pi$$ed. Yes, she is a teacher just like I am. But, I've been shorted on my PE times for 4 more thank 4 weeks, and haven't complained about it at all. I just sucked it up. My P knows about the shortage of prep time. She always says to come to her with problems. We are a team....though many of us don't tattle on others about small things. I'm feeling disrespected about MY time. It shouldn't matter what I'm using the time for, PREP or not. It is MY scheduled block of time, and if I was the PE teacher (her 2nd year) I'd damn sure check my watch each week to the correct time, and not have a problem with it. UUUghhh. I've got to let this go.


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I agree with you, and I think the PE teacher in this case had no reason to feel disrespected or unimportant as long as you spoke to her kindly. Which it sounds like you did.

Also, as the P said, PE is an important subject just like any other...so why would it be ok to shortchange it by 6 to 9 minutes every week?
I'm sorry your P can't see your point of view.
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So sorry
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I would be mad too!!!!!
So what would happen if your students were sent back early and you were not in your room? Making copies, making a parent phone call, in library grabbing a book you needed???????
Then students would be unattended!
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Just the clocks
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That doesn't make sense... You weren't saying anything about the importance of PE , just about following the correct time. She could say that if you were bringing your kids late or having some not attend... But you weren't doing that!
I don't thing he will change his opinion now though ... I'd be upset too
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Do you carry your phone with you? When you get to PE, set two phone alarms. One about 29 minutes after dropping off your kids and the other 5 minutes later. Go to your room and get work done. When the first alarm rings go to the rest room. Stay there until the second alarm rings and go and collect your children.


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It goes both ways
Old 09-15-2016, 04:11 AM
 
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I was a specials teachers and I always tried to be on time, however it wasn't unusual for the classroom teachers to bring their kids early and then pick them up late. I had one teacher complain to the principal that I had been heard complaining about her always being late. I asked for a meeting between us with the principal. I apologized for saying what I did, but that it was important for her to pick her class up on to,e so that I could get ready for my next class. She said it was only a few minutes and asked the principal how late was acceptable. The principal told her that she expected everyone to be on time for their classes.

I agree that you need to make yourself unavailable for,early drop off, but make sure that you are exactly on time so that the PE teacher can't complain about you. What concerns me is that it sounds like the PE teacher is sending the class back unattended. We were required to monitor them at all times. Good luck.
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Old 09-15-2016, 06:04 AM
 
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If PE is important, then she should be teaching "bell to bell" too. So it's not about missing prep but getting full PE
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Old 09-15-2016, 07:09 AM
 
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What gromit said! Also- what kind of weird time zone is the gym in if she starts class 4 minutes late and ends 4 minutes early?

It wouldn't be worth it, I'm sure, but I might be inclined to respond to principal expressing concern that kids are missing almost 10 minutes of quality and essential pe time from this qualified professional because of the late start/early finish. Unless you've already made a big deal about losing part of prep.

I wonder if pe teacher made a big deal about how she would quit or something. The comment about better to have pe than not is odd.

Anyway, start going by the gym clock -drop them when gym clock says it's time (early by your clock) and get your whole block. What can she say to that? You're following her clock.
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Old 09-15-2016, 07:26 AM
 
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But... it is a prep time for you. It doesn't mean that PE is less important. That's just ridiculous. If she is sending your students back early during a "prep time", how does she know you will be in your class? You could be making a copy, having a quick meeting, or using the restroom. Who is supervising your students?
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poor admin. leadership
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IMO, the principal should have been out there in the hallways, observing the problems that you mentioned, gathering information from all angles. That way she would get a bigger picture and evidence of the problem. I'm wondering if she did that before sending out the email.

IMO, the principal also showed poor leadership/management in her email that she sent out. She could have put it in general terms without going into so much detail/siding with one. teacher. Makes you wonder if there have been other teaches voicing the same concerns you have about p.e... that might be the case, . Still she should have just made general statements in the matter.

Your principal should come up with a way to make sure everyone is on the same time...

Our principal/secretary used to come on the school's intercom every morning -8:00 a.m. -and announce the time... all teachers were expected to stop and make sure all classroom clocks, etc. were moved to be on that time. .... so all clocks were the same in the school.... end of problem

Doing this only takes a few seconds and solves a lot of time management problems.

side note: We had a "different p.e. teacher years ago. Her rule was that she would release the class to the first teacher who showed up at the door to pick up her class. If she was mad at a teacher for some reason, that teacher would have to wait ... and her class would be released after the 6 other classes were dismissed, even if that teacher had arrived at the door first! That same p.e. teacher would insist upon quiet, straight lines entering and leaving her gym, but follow the classes out into the hallway to rile the kids up when the teachers started to leave with their classes. We were all glad when she transferred to another school.



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Our state
Old 09-15-2016, 08:28 AM
 
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has a strict number of minutes that students must have PE. I don't know if your state does, but anyway it is always a good idea to focus on the students instead of your own time/prep.
I would perhaps, unless you think "water under the bridge" explain to the P that it wasn't about you and all the other teachers experiencing the same thing but it is about making sure your school meets the state mandates and that the students all have the opportunity to have the time with your physical ed. teachers.
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Old 09-15-2016, 01:02 PM
 
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Those three or four minutes aren't a problem unless you're the one losing your planning time...then it's a problem. If the shoe were on the other foot, the PE teacher wouldn't like missing her those minutes every day. It adds up.

It's passive aggressive to go to the P instead of using her voice and explaining things to you. Add the P's passive aggressive method of communication by not addressing you personally and it's an unpleasant situation all th way around.

Lessons learned?
The P has the PE teacher's back.
The PE teacher likes to play "poor me" and will go behind your back.

Steer clear of the PE teacher. Don't complain about her to others. They'll soon figure out she's not easy to work with.

Let it go but remember the lessons.
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Being the PE teacher on the other end I can feel your pain. All my teachers would open their door or come get their kids at the right time BUT one. always a few minutes late and then running into the time for my next class. My principal supports me. Now they have data meetings (do not tell me) and come 5-10 minutes late for kids. My two Kg classes were with me an extra 12 minutes today. I just roll with it. But you have a very valid point and your PE teacher sounds like $&*(@)$
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Had the Same Problems as You
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I solved both problems like this:

1. I escorted the class that was in the gym before mine back to their classroom so my students could begin gym on time. When he asked why, I told him he was late getting his students. It embarrassed him, and it seldom happened after that...when it did, I escorted.

2. I changed the clock in the music room (in your case it would be the gym) very late one night after school. Then the music teacher was on the same clock time as the rest of the school!

I know...I am a witch!!

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This should be so easy to solve
Old 09-15-2016, 04:56 PM
 
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Why can't the official school time be announced sometime? It is then solved. Couldn't you at least solve the drop off problem by leaving your kids with the teacher that is waiting for theirs to exit? If you aren't in your room and PE is done early that equals unsupervised kids in your room, that should be a concern of your principal. Do you just drop off and kids walk back on their own from everything?

I also like the idea of changing the clock, but since is both early and late it probably wouldn't help!

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I'm a little confused about the time confusion. Don't cell phones use satellite time and therefore the same? You can't tell me the PE teacher doesn't have a phone...or that she can't set alarms on it.
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I don't understand why the principal had to mention anything about certification in the first place. It's irrelevant to the situation. The problem is that you're being shorted PE time. You have every right to say something. Today it's 3-4 minutes, tomorrow it's 10. She didn't have to send out that passive-aggressive email. She could have made her point by stating that you will go by the clock that is in the gym.
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Confused in a couple areas
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In our state PE is mandated 200 minutes every 2 weeks; NO MATTER WHAT. Students can't be pulled from PE for anything.

In our district 4th-6th graders have it in their CONTRACTS now that we have a PE teacher, he is to come and get the students for 50 min. 2 times a week EVERY week. So for me every T & TH he is to be at my door at 1:35pm- that is my PREP. I don't have any duties with students from 1:35pm-2:25pm on those 2 days- they are 100% his RESPONSIBILITY.

That is in my contract....

Same with our music time. I don't care if it is your PE teacher's first year or 10th year it is your prep your PE teacher is probably cheating others too and taking extra time for herself.
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Yes, PE is a class, she is a teacher, and your students deserve their full instructional time in PE.

And besides that, the Internet can tell everyone what time it is. Your phone, watch, clock, computer, etc. can all be and should all be set to the same exact time.

And besides that, that note from your principal was disrespectful to you! It's okay for everyone to be off schedule because we don't want to hurt someone's feelings by asking them to be on time??? Start coming in to work three or four minutes late every day and see how well that reasoning holds up. You SHOULD be pissed. Your principal is a moron.
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specials and PE in particular
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are messy where I am at the moment, but generally everybody gets it done. but they can't leave until I get there, and I get there on time, the class after me every day times their arrival to specials/PE when I walk past their classroom by to pick up my kiddos. so if the PE teacher was done 5 minutes early they are all hers...
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