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Old 07-12-2018, 05:33 PM
 
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I am putting together some resources I found for test practice for my kids. I found these but there are no answers. I am telling you, some of them are very hard! Help me with this one. The first part is the poem. THen there are 2 questions. What would your answer be?

Harriet Tubman
by Eloise Greenfield

Harriet Tubman didn’t take no stuff
Wasn’t scared of nothing neither
Didn’t come in this world to be no slave
And wasn’t going to stay one either

“Farewell!” she sang to her friends one night
She was mighty sad to leave ‘em
But she ran away that dark, hot night
Ran looking for her freedom
She ran to the woods and she ran through the woods
With the slave catchers right behind her
And she kept on going till she got to the North
Where those mean men couldn’t find her

Nineteen times she went back South
To get three hundred others
She ran for her freedom nineteen times
To save Black sisters and brothers
Harriet Tubman didn’t take no stuff
Wasn’t scared of nothing neither
Didn’t come in this world to be no slave
And didn’t stay one either

And didn’t stay one either

Q1 Part A . What literary device does the poet use?

a.Rhyme
b.Metaphor
c.Repetition
d. Alliteration

Part B . What detail best supports the answer to Part A?

a. “dark, hot night”
b. “stay one either”
c. “mighty sad”
d. “mean men”


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Part A - Repetition
Part B - b. "stay one either"
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I think Q1 is repetition, and Q2 is b. But, I’m not an ELA teacher!

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Old 07-12-2018, 05:46 PM
 
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That is what I finally decided made sense. However, I don't like rhyme being a choice as the poem does use rhyme in it. None of part b went with it, but still. I teach 8 year olds.
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At first I thought rhyme, but part B doesn't give an example to back up that choice. This could be a good teaching point for those tricky questions on the state test.

Dear heavens what we are expecting of ones so young!


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This is a tricky one - I initially chose Q 1 Part A - a Rhyme -- ** -- Part B -b
as in the first stanza "stay one either" is used as a rhyme. I noted that there is rhyme present but not throughout the lines.

After rereading the poem I changed my selection:
Repetition does occur using "stay one either" - so I would have to say it is repetition, "stay one either" as it occurs in the first stanza and toward the end of the poem.
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I think that on question 1, both A and B are correct. As an adult, I chose B as the correct answer, based on the second question. But, this is a very poorly written question in my opinion. There are two absolutely correct answers to the first question. On the second question "stay one either" is the correct answer. This is why teachers need to be able to monitor tests and make changes. This isn't just a challenging question, it is a bad question, and should be changed.

By the way, I really like the poem. How do you feel about the use of language in this poem? Is it appropriate to use with young students?
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It's a and b. But there is SO much more going on in this poem. Thanks for sharing it.
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I agree with a. and b., but just wanted to say it makes me feel so much better knowing that I am not the only one who sometimes struggles with the answers to these questions! I have wondered on some of them how I expected my kids to answer them when I couldn't even figure them out. (And I consider myself to be fairly intelligent and a good problem solver!)
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Old 07-13-2018, 03:08 AM
 
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I think it's a and b. I've read this poem many times this morning There is repetition too . I also think the question is not a good one. Can you change the choices?


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When CCSS was all the rage demanding more rigor I read an article about how that applied to poetry. A poet related that a poem of his was used. One of the questions asked what was the poet's intention when he wrote the poem. He stated that given the choices, HE couldn't answer the question correctly. Don't you feel better now?
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I actually read that Sara Holbrook, poet , said that same thing
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I've been thinking about this a lot since I first replied. It would be a good question to use for teaching test taking strategies. I had to look over all answer choices to both questions and match them up, then eliminate the obvious wrong choices. Then I was able to decide which was the best answer.
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I agree that it's C/B, but I've also run into that same situation that you said.
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I teach 8 year olds.
When I pull resources and have to ask other teachers the answers, it infuriates me. Why must they be so tricky to see if the child knows the answer? I'm not saying you did it, I'm just saying in general on resources and tests I've seen for 3rd graders.
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Old 07-13-2018, 04:28 PM
 
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Susanteach, I completely agree! I have had several that I have marked to talk with my grade level because I had to really think about the answers.

I don’t agree that this type of question or test is grade appropriate, it since my kids have to take it, and that is what my eval is based on, I do my best to get them there. This year I am showing this type of thing to parents at open house. Maybe I can get enough noise my class doesn’t take it.. That really would please me.
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Old 07-14-2018, 10:06 AM
 
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i read the first question and answer choices before i read the poem. there IS rhyme (either/neither), but, as far as i'm concerned, it's a crap rhyme. there IS alliteration (mean men), but the repetition, which occurs more than once (with a slight change) is much more powerful. there is no real metaphor unless you count "run for her freedom", which is a stretch.

when i got to part B, i saw that my only 2 choices were alliteration and repetition, so repetition it is!


yah, i had read that same article about the CCSS poem--shame, it was a good poem and question. i thought that if the question had been reworded, it might be better. (it was something about "what the author thought or meant"--which you can never really answer...)
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