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Can't believe my Prin!!!
Old 11-04-2010, 05:38 PM
 
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I have got to stop checking my school e-mail at home in the evenings! It just makes me mad at bedtime...


Tonight we got the following e-mail:

"Teachers, beginning the end of the second six weeks benchmark performance six weeks scores will be displayed in the school hallway. We will post both first and second six weeks scores by grade levels and class. We want to begin a healthy competition between classes to improve and strive for excellence and improvement. So, let your class know that they really need to focus next week to do their best on the end of six weeks assessments. We are going to post them where students can see them and this should be used as a teaching tool and discussion with your class about improvement. Hopefully, we will also be able to post the district performance as compared to ours. "



What research is there that supports this as healthy for students or teachers!!!


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No it's a way to pit
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kid vs kid and teacher vs teacher. Way to go admin.
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Well,
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in CA it is against the law to post test scores along with the child's name where others can see it. This is very weird.
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They are already doing this the teachers at my school and they talked about doing it with the kids also. I think it is stupid and have said so on many occassions.
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If the principal plans to use the children's
Old 11-04-2010, 06:09 PM
 
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names or if this can be construed in any way to be a method publicizing private information about a child, I suggest that you get him a copy of the FERPA law right away. He will be SUED by the first knowledgeable parent who sees it.


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Just awful
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I am so sad and angry for you and your students. I hope your principal changes his mind.
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Old 11-04-2010, 06:28 PM
 
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I think this takes the cake as the worst idea a principal has ever had. I hope that the word gets out to the parents right away so that he gets an earful, and that the office gets swarmed by angry parents. That is completely uncalled for.
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Oh, wow. That is horrible!

Definitely check into the laws in your state. This can't be legal.
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This is not LEGAL...
Old 11-04-2010, 07:26 PM
 
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Check w/ state laws and your union...
 
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Huh???
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Only a nitwit would come up with an idea like this. I have the feeling that as soon as this gets out to parents, there will be a revolution. Hopefully he or she is at least smart enough not to post info that would easily identify who is who along with the scores. Although, if your P is stupid enough to think posting scores like that is a good idea, who knows?


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I am pretty sure he is not posting the individual students scores, only class averages. I wonder if that is still illegal?....I think it is humiliating and will make teachers more prone to cheat...I have no intention of telling my students what the charts are for...they are in second grade...hopefully it will fly over their heads.


I am so sick of this administration!
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This is illegal. What an idiot!
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Wow so not legal in oklahoma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 11-05-2010, 06:51 AM
 
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Only illegal if the kid's name is posted next to the score. In our school, teachers use student ID numbers when they post any grades in the classroom. Unless a kid knows another student's ID # there is no way to discriminate the individual scores. As far as posting class averages...while not the nicest thing to do class averages probably aren't a legal issue either. Our state tests scores are available online and at the BOE. These can be broken down by teacher, building, subject area, etc.
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No way!
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Un-flipping-believable! I think it's a good idea that the OP just ignores it - if the teacher makes a big deal out of it then the kids will and it's just not healthy! Grrrrr.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:14 AM
 
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I might be wrong but I thought this was decided in Federal Courts so it is against the law in all 50 states. I hate when P pit classes against classes because you know it is a fun rivalry but a need to try to better the P's scores/bonuses.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:16 AM
 
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Hey, I think instead you should post all the administrators' names and then each six weeks have all employees anonymously vote for who is best and who is worst! Post the scores where all the parents can see. I think the administrators should have a "healthy competition too.
If after this your administrator thinks the posting of student scores is great-they anchors aweigh!
Ug! empty heads like bubbles rise to the top!
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Posting test scores
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Wow so not legal in oklahoma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is being done in Oklahoma!!!!

At my SIL's school. They don't use names just the scores. I am not even sure if they are using teachers since the kids have many teachers in middle school. I think they are using grade level vs grade level. In individual classrooms they have specific benchmark scores posted with the objectives. Ugh!!! Can you tell we have vented over this over a glass of wine.
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We did this with ENI
Old 11-05-2010, 12:50 PM
 
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scores. (We paid $5.1 million dollars to be told to do it) We had to put id's which admin then decided was too easy to recogize kids' (duh) so we blocked out the numbers and just left the scores up.

In the end, it did nothing to motivate kids. It just took up a LOT of our time to put up the dots.

On a side note: My class went through and took the "passing" dots off their classmates scores and changed them to their scores! I was so proud.

It was stupid, a waste of time and did nothing productive to motivate kids. It just ticked off teachers. The union grieved it.
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I am assuming...
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the children's names are not on the wall. That would be wrong and as a teacher you need to prevent that if that is the case.

I do think however that our dist has a good way of doing something similar but much healthier. The classrooms have charts for the classroom and each child is represented by a sticker. The stickers are eithe ron needs improv, meets standard, or exceeds. No scores are listed for the students. Then, in teh hallways the overall school's performance % for AYP is posted. I think these are good things for the students to know. They personally know thier score and it is just another reminder of what they need to knwo for success.

now, do I like teaching to tests - nope however, that is what the goal is and how success is measuredin our dist right now and to not inform the students of where they stand as an individual or as a school is keeping the "players" in teh dark in this game!

I do not howeve rlike the competition settign of having them in the hallway. That isn't fair to the staff or the children. I think them seeing a general chart of where they fall in comparison to their peers is plenty.
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ROTFL@ Funkster!
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I love it!
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My principal did this two years ago. Several teacher quietly sent this info to the Superintendent. Within a few days-they wre removed from the hallway. This is how Principals bully teachers. It's all about her or his career. It is like the Roman times when they made them fight one another. How sickening.
 
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Arg!
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We post class averages at our school.....
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Here is the response my 5th graders would make:

"We must be in the dumb class. I must be dumb." (Thinks he's funny. Laughs loudly.)

"Jake, it's your fault. You're dumb. You are bringing us down. No, I'm not. You're dumb." BAM, WONK!

"My mom says it's because my teacher is not very good." (said with wide-eyed fakeness.)

"What are those dots for? Huh. Does this mean I have to do my homework now? Cause I'm not."

"That's because they are a bunch of dweebs and nerds in that class."

"Their teacher cheated."

"They cheated."

"I love you, Ms. J." (I don't know why they do this, but I think it's an innate response of a child who thinks they may be in trouble.)
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Old 11-05-2010, 06:42 PM
 
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I'll help ya out....

Let me know your school phone number, when the competition begins...

And I'll play the "knowledgeable" parent on FERPA.
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I wanta play too.
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Wouldn't it be funny if all PTers called the school pretending to be "knowledgeable parents"?
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Old 11-06-2010, 02:35 AM
 
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I think it's ridiculous. Hopefully, he won't be displaying students' names and breaking FERPA law that protects students' records. If I were a parent of a child at this school, I would be on the phone to the district office and complaining about it. We are not even allowed to put discipline cards on the wall with students' names.
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Oh, funkster...
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...you are cracking me up! It's not a bad idea though. Maybe the OP should bring it up to her P and see how he/she feels about it!
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