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Do your subs follow lesson plans?
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I write extremely detailed lessons plans for subs when I'm not in the classroom.
I separate out any handouts that need to be given out, and put them in the order they should be used.
So it's very easy for a sub to follow the plans, hand out the papers as needed, etc.
My last sub took all of the separated papers, stapled them together, and handed them out as packets.
Which means I have to go back through and separate them so I can put in the grades.
I understand subs have it tough. I subbed for a while, I get it. But if a teacher left me plans, I tried my best to follow them!


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I never cared much whether subs followed my plans or not. I didn't grade work that kids did when I wasn't around. I was happy if the room was orderly and tidy when I got back.

I left simple, easy to follow plans that didn't stress me or the sub out.

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The subs at my school always follow our plans to the best of their ability. I get when things might need to be done differently, but I've never had a sub not do what I had planned.
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When I was teaching full time, I expected subs to follow my plans, at least mostly follow them. But technology can fail. Students may not understand. I tried to make lessons that kept them busy. If I'd had a sub who just stayed the papers into a packet, I wouldn't have been happy, but if the work was completed....I'd suck it up. As a sub now, I follow the lessons as well as possible sometimes I just have to punt, though. Like the other day, when I didn't have the password to access the computer so that students could do their presentations using the LCD projector. It was high school, so I had them practice on Chromebooks and then work on their study guides for their unit tests. Sometimes you do what you can.
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As a rule, yes. Any sub that blatantly disregarded lesson plans was banned from the school.

I, too, left detailed lesson plans and sorted out the material. If the sub made an effort to get through the material, I was a happy camper.


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Back when I was a sub, I always followed exactly what the plans said. I never would have gone off and done whatever I wanted. During my first two years of teaching, my aide would sub for me. She did everything I asked and always wrote a note letting me know how the day went. Once I left that school, I taught at a school that used its floating aide as the one and only sub. She was taking night classes to complete her teacher certification and thought she was hot stuff. I had spent all weekend writing my lesson plans and left everything out in order on my desk. She refused to even read my sub plans. I was extremely irritated when I came back to see students had drawn a picture to go with their writing when I specifically said NO DRAWING yet. She had them complete way more workbook pages than I listed in the plans. She also refused to pull guided reading groups and did the entire reading lesson as whole group. When my aide tried to tell her how I did things, she would not listen and insisted on doing everything her way.
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I leave plans like Iím there. I detail everything. I include time frames, number lists in order of what should be done, and leave materials paper clipped in order. I have class periods, so I even copy-paste when itís the same agenda.

In my district, we are required to have ďplans anyone can walk in and pick upĒ in case of emergency.

I do grade anything Iíve left. I donít hold subs to extraordinary standards, but I feel I should be able to leave review plans as if I were there. I request subs who do a good job - basically, my plans were followed as written and my kids are still breathing.
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I subbed for a while.
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I was always thrilled to get detailed plans complete with all the materials.

I hated: Searching the room for plans and finding none.

Calling the office and having them tell me there were no emergency
plans on file.

Asking the teachers on the hall what they were doing and getting
some kind of slap-dash plans.

Finding the "Plan" is the teacher's cryptic notes in her planning
book. (Kids practice DWS. When done, they do 20 minutes of
QXY. And of course, the students have no clue what any of it
means.)

Or even worse, finding a note that said, "Sorry I did not have time
to write plans. Just do your own thing. "

BTDT for all of those situations!!
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Or even worse, finding a note that said, "Sorry I did not have time
to write plans. Just do your own thing. "
Yikes! I never saw that when I subbed! Any teacher who tried to get away with that in my buildings would be in hot water. I do remember one time having to come up with review questions for the next day's math test, and another time trying to find the photocopies of the math test I was supposed to administer. (Different teacher, and we discovered only after starting the test that the copies had multiple errors in them, which meant the whole test had to be thrown out and the day's plan quickly turned into "study hall." The teacher is still at that school, BTW... )
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Most of the time I leave the work I was planning had I not been out. Sometimes I need to tweak it if I donít know who my sub will be. Anyone who doesnít follow the plans isnít someone I want back.


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I never cared much whether subs followed my plans or not. I didn't grade work that kids did when I wasn't around. I was happy if the room was orderly and tidy when I got back.

I left simple, easy to follow plans that didn't stress me or the sub out.
I do this as well. I write detailed plans for the sub but always emphasize that all things are flexible. I give the sub permission ahead of time to change, add, remove, reorder and/or skip things. I do not want the day to be a burden on me, the sub or the students.

I do have a classroom para and a 1:1 para in my room. I do wish that the classroom para could be my sub and they would hire a sub for her position. It would make things so much easier.

I do teach SpEd though so my plans are rough to follow any given day, especially for someone just coming in for a short time. It can be confusing and overwhelming as I do very little whole group instruction. Sometimes it is a juggle act to mix small group and individual instructions.

It shouldn't be the sub's fault that some plans (and some classes) are too complex.
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Old 04-15-2019, 07:50 PM
 
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Most of the subs I've had follow the plans. I leave very detailed plans and always have the worksheets copied. However, I never leave anything that is important or that I want done in a specific way. Subbing is difficult and some classes don't do well with subs. So, I have low expectations. I generally give book work or worksheets that will take up the entire time with some time for independent reading or writing. But, if it doesn't get completed- no worries! On a rare occasion I will leave a test if it's a priority.
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detailed plans, too
Old 04-16-2019, 07:08 AM
 
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As with OPs, I write detailed plans, put everything in a chronological stack, and leave paper rewards that I enter into Classcraft when I return.

It irritates me when subs expect students to go on "autopilot," just handing them assignments and not interacting with them. I'm fine with them not finishing- just leave me a note.

I had a sub who didn't use the rewards, and instead, put a list of names up in public and told students to straighten up to get their names off "the list." It was clear the students weren't happy when they tried to say that one of the songs on the playlist (Yes, sub played pop music during work) had the N-word in it. Thankfully, my students had really heard my message about there being more than one way to get things done, and they just went with the flow as instructed. They also realized that they do work better in quiet.

I get that a sub's job can be difficult, especially with classroom management these days. However, don't you think one would use the tools the CT left for that?

At our site, the best subs we have a retired teachers from our school. They are a hot commodity, especially the recent retirees who still know the kids.
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We have a very tough time getting and keeping subs since the pay stinks. If there's no sub, the reading specialist, math coach, and principal take shifts. We only have 2 classes in each grade, so splitting the kids doesn't work if no subs.

I love it when we have one of our regular great subs, retired teachers, or other experienced subs. They follow my plans wonderfully.

Many times though, we get newbies, college students on break, or others with no classroom or kid experience at all. My only expectation for them is to keep the kids safe and sound and avoid any major incidents.

I never grade kids on work with a sub in first grade. You never know if too little or too much help was given..
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Subs here do NOT follow plans here. They always tell my students the work is optional and to do whatever they want. Which is dumb in the art room. I came in to find my paintbrushes ruined with dry paint and half my paint bottles drained. not to mention paint flung on the wall. I prefer them to be sent to the gym.
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I only grade for participation.
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I don't give an academic grade for work done with a sub. I just roll it into the participation grade.
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I LOVE the casual teacher who replaces me when I'm sick. She is brilliant with my grade (kinders) and because she always covers for me, she knows and loves my kids nearly as much as I do.

I leave brief plans for her to follow, but I trust her to do her thing. I don't grade any work from when I'm not there anyway so I don't have to worry about that. It is very rare that she is not available to cover for me, but if that is the case, I do make my plans more detailed for someone who is less familiar. But to be honest I don't care if they follow them to the letter or not. My priorities are happy kids, tidy classroom, and a sub who has survived the day
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Given the amount of time I spend on my plans, I expect them followed or I wonít call the sub again. Thereís only two exceptions, something happened (fire drill, schedule change, unexpected assembly, etc.) or itís MY sub. MY sub is amazing and taught for many years. I completely trust her to do it her way.

Otherwise, please just do what I asked, and please also note the fact that I specifically put on there that you probably wonít finish. I subbed before I taught. I make sure to make everything very detailed and to leave more than enough work so that the sub never finds herself with kids that donít have anything to do, you know what they say about idle hands. My goal is to make the subís day run as smoothly as possible and to try to lose as little instructional time as possible in the process. So subs that insist on doing it there way irk me. I once had a sub that decided that the kids should color all day long and then complained that they were too loud. Of course they were, the coloring occupies them for 30 minutes tops after that they were bored and getting into mischief.

On another note, Iím finding Google Classroom to be very helpful. If I leave the assignments on there I can randomly check in with the kids. A couple of well timed feedback comments give them the sense that the cat isnít truly away and keeps them accountable and productive.
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For me it is hit or miss. I've had some interesting subs over the years. Since I teach small groups, at least 50% of the time my sub is pulled to cover an unfilled classroom job. We have a sub shortage. As a result and the fact that I can't guarantee what will happen even if I do have a sub, I leave busywork that I really don't care about.

I do label everything, separate out assignments for each group, and put it in the order it needs to be taught in. I've still had subs confused . I leave things like phonics packets, read alouds, math practice packets- or a non-fiction book with instructions for kids to write down 3 facts they learned.

If it doesn't get done, no big deal. If I don't have a sub or for whatever reason she doesn't use the materials I left, I simply save everything for the next time I'm out. Since it's all busywork, it doesn't matter what else we're doing in class that week/what it's connected to. If you have frequent issues with the plans being followed, I'd stop trying to have subs teach your regular lessons and leave them something that doesn't really matter if it gets done or not.

I have an MTSS meeting day once a month that I'm supposed to have a sub for. I literally have plans still that I wrote from the January meeting because my sub has been pulled every time since then. I just keep putting the same ones out "just in case!"
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I had a retired teacher as a sub earlier this year. She didn't like my plans so she rummaged through my stuff and did her own thing. She also told the assistant everything I was doing wrong It took me forever to clean up her mess.
She was back in my room not long ago (I would have cancelled and resubmitted the job if I had recognized her name). I had left several worksheets (I hardly ever use worksheets). Apparently that was more to her standards because she left a note praising my plans.

Another regular sub is known for just keeping the kids happy. One day he admitted to me that he had lost the plans right after he got them. The kids said they watched a bunch of Magic School Bus that day

I spend way too much time putting those plans together. Somebody better do their best to follow them!
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