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Old 01-11-2017, 04:14 AM
 
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I am genuinely curious about something. This was inspired by a previous thread "worst day ever" by guest Funkyfresh67. And I know that we can be too restricting or too permissive in our own ways when we are in a classroom as guests. I know that students have told me that I'm either or and I'm still working on my consistency regardless of which school I'm at.

My question to all teachers out there, either working as regulars, as supplies, or both, is in terms of management when do you make the call to involve a principal for aid?

I know the basics of involving the higher ups when there's some kind of an emergency or safety of students and/or staff. But when it comes to general management, where do you draw that line that it's time to involve a higher up? One way of approaching this question might be when you would NOT. It's the in-between cases I'm interested in knowing.

In my case, when I'm beginning to feel some physiological effects like tension in the body somewhere or my toes begin to curl, I definitely will begin documenting on a referral. Sometimes, it starts when a student becomes belligerent or argumentative with someone, doesn't have to be an adult. And this is after I've provided them with a couple of warnings and sometimes there are cases when it's just that urgent/dire when no warning is necessary.


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It does help that I sub mostly in my old building, so I know the administrators. Also, many teachers will give a heads up on students' behaviors, so I know I will be supported if I have to send one to the office. I have only sent two students to the office in the year that I've been subbing. One was on a plan, so I just had to notify the office. The other student was totally disrupting class by making comments, getting out of his seat, bothering other students, etc. I sent him to the office. Called the office to say he was on his way, and they told me to come to the office to fill out a referral during my planning period. Generally, if I can't teach or other students can't learn, the student is removed from class.
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Old 01-11-2017, 06:17 AM
 
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If student is mentioned specifically in the notes with something like "if X is causing problems, call office to have X removed" then I do it as I know it won't reflect badly on me as X is a frequent flier.

The other kids I base off of what I know from conversations I've had with various teachers/conversations I've heard teachers having while we are having lunch in the teacher's lounge etc. IE, there are kids who are from certain families that you better NOT send to the office because it'll come back to bite you (either their parents are a PITA, or are involved with PTO or are somehow related to someone in charge at one of the schools or in the town in general. Other kids that act up it is fine to send, especially if they're from specific families that are known to produce troublemakers. Basically, it all boils down to small town politics. Is it fair and best for the kids? No, but since I need to work and since finding a job with my degree hasn't worked out well since I graduated college/working as a sub isn't seen as "experience" for the kinds of jobs I want, I'm basically stuck in the schools so I have to "play the game" to the best of my ability.

I always do write down behavior issues for the teachers to review when they get back as a CYA measure.
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I've only involved the administration once.
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I was subbing middle school music for a week. The 8th grade band students were out of control. My instructions were to allow students to take turns conducting the band in warm ups and playing pieces they were practicing for a show. They refused to settle down and get to work. They ignored student conductors, deliberately played out of tune, and just generally fooled around. After school the second day, I approached the principal. He visited the class the next day and read them the riot act. It was absolutely necessary and a step I took only because there was chaos. All other 5 music classes I was also subbing, including an 80 student chorus class, were difficult but not impossible. After that assignment, I refused all future middle school music jobs -- just not worth the aggravation and headaches.
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Old 01-11-2017, 07:14 PM
 
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Last year I only called once and that was because a student who was having a particularly bad day yelled at me that I was p***ing her off and bolted out of the room saying she was going to see the assistant principal. She was given OSS for 5 days, which I thought was overkill, and had she not left the hallway, I probably would have just handled it myself.

I feel like if you call admin to handle something, you lose a certain amount of credibility with a class. I want them to behave not because they are afraid I'll call administration but because they are afraid of ME, lol. It helps immensely that I'm at the same school all the time.

I've had to call for fights on two occasions, but I had broken up both fights before admin got there.


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Old 01-12-2017, 07:25 AM
 
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I feel like if you call admin to handle something, you lose a certain amount of credibility with a class. I want them to behave not because they are afraid I'll call administration but because they are afraid of ME, lol. It helps immensely that I'm at the same school all the time.
That's precisely how I feel about involving admin, so I only do it when absolutely necessary.

I'm at the same school most of the time, so both admin and students know me well. I no longer have to "prove myself" with the kids. They know Mrs. Mooba means business, but she is fair.

In five years, I think I've only sent two students to the office, and had to call for help once. Of the first two, one was stealing and caught red-handed (an automatice office referral), and the other one blew up when I told her to clean up before she left the room. She started throwing things, but I got her to calm down and clean up the whole mess. One of the other teachers insisted I write up the student. That one was not my choice.

The one I had to call for help with was a Sped student, and I followed protocol on that after he started throwing chairs.
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How do we handle tattling?
Old 01-13-2017, 06:05 AM
 
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I think there are some similarities to the guidelines we give kids! (School policy also comes in to play, of course.)

I focus on the "why" -- is this an "FYI?" Do I need help/advice? Am I expecting action? Am I simply complying with school policy? I think knowing the why helps me with the approach to admin and allows me to help them decide how to respond.

Not quite the same, but just this week a young student (not in my room that day, but knows me) came over to me in the cafeteria, tugged on my sleeve and asked "Mr. B, is it okay for a boy to hit a girl?" There was no context--she wasn't reporting something that had just happened, but I still felt I should mention it to her teacher as an FYI.
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:11 PM
 
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The worst class I ever had simply involved me calling for an escort to have 6 students removed at once. Assistant Principal came down later, and it wasn't a big deal at all. They knew that class was a problem. No need to bother admin directly. Just call for whatever serves as a student escort in the building and have a few removed.
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Shame on that music teacher!
Old 02-01-2017, 08:17 PM
 
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Cayo- I'm a sub with a music ed degree. I work in a wonderful county system with very nice middle schools. Even though the schools are comparatively nice, I'm a hot commodity because I can actually direct rehearsal, and many people avoid middle school music. In addition to the computer system, sub secretaries call me and book me for 10 dates at a time throughout the entire county. Middle School band is tough to sub for if you aren't a band director. Shame on that music teacher for putting you through that and having 8th graders conduct. That works at the nicest of high schools, but never for middle school. Sounds like a teacher was too lazy to write sub plans!
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