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Students let out for "sports"
Old 10-13-2018, 06:12 PM
 
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I worked at this school where students who are in sports leave the last period early (it's block periods) (football, cheerleaders, etc.), on selected days. These students left and later the "narc" (or whatever they're called these days) came by and said that two of the students were NOT in sports and had left, anyway (they were roaming the school). He lectured me about "what if there were a lockdown," etc. I said "how was I supposed to know that they weren't in sports?" He said that if I wasn't sure that I should have called the office. Not only that, but how would I know exactly where they were supposed to be? (what sport they were in). Did I need to know that, too? He said "no."

Please, no negative responses - if I wanted negative responses, I would have asked my husband .


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Old 10-13-2018, 06:30 PM
 
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My son ran track and cross country in high school. When they left early for an out of town meet, they reported to whatever class they were leaving during and the teacher (sub or regular had a list from the office of who was to be dismissed from class). Sorry you weren’t provided the info you needed.
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Old 10-13-2018, 06:31 PM
 
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Oh dietcoke, don’t you realize you’re supposed to be able to telepathically intuit which students are actually in sports? Failing that, you should’ve had the initiative to stop instruction, call the office, give them a list of students who said they could leave early, and then wait while the office staff verified each student’s schedule. Really, you need to step up your game.

I know teachers can’t remember everything when they plan for a sub, but it would’ve been good to have had a list of students who were legitimately allowed to leave early.

***This is not a negative response, just a sarcastic one that, IMO, suits the absolute ridiculousness of the expectation in this situation.
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early for sports cont.
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No negativity taken. Thank you very much. I think what bothered me the most was the lecturing about "what if there were a lockdown?"

I have a very high work ethic and I don't do well with being lectured.

I like the idea of a list from the teacher. I wish I would have thought about that to suggest next time. The idea of holding the students back (literally) while I called the office to verify them sounds like a nightmare, like you said, for the students AND myself, when they normally just leave.

Thank you very much. I'll pass on the suggestion when I work there next.
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Old 10-14-2018, 04:16 AM
 
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I dislike it when a teacher does not leave a note where kids are going. I dislike it being put in bad situations. It makes me look bad.


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in some cases
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I know teachers can’t remember everything when they plan for a sub, but it would’ve been good to have had a list of students
And in some cases, the teachers themselves don't know! Sometimes, it's all last minute. True story.

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I think what bothered me the most was the lecturing about "what if there were a lockdown?"
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while I called the office to verify them sounds like a nightmare, like you said, for the students AND myself, when they normally just leave.
You are thinking right and following protocol. Nothing wrong with this and sometimes, the list you get from someone may not include last-minute changes and sometimes no one knows about those changes except for the supervising adult that's already out the building.

So in case there's some type of emergency and you need to write down the names who are AWOL, just follow protocol and you'll be fine. It's not within your power to know who's supposed to be legitimately out or not unless helpful students come to the aid. The bottom line is you keep safe the ones who are there which is your first primary function.

This is really about being kept in the loop.

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Old 10-14-2018, 05:35 AM
 
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The idea of holding the students back (literally) while I called the office to verify them sounds like a nightmare, like you said, for the students AND myself, when they normally just leave.
That would be a nightmare! No judgement from me.

I guess what I'd do if it happens again is let the students know their teacher didn't leave a list, so you'll need anyone leaving to sign out on a piece of paper that you'll drop in the office on your way out. That should deter anyone who was going to cheat, and cover you if they do anyway.
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Old 10-14-2018, 07:30 AM
 
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As a teacher, I definitely might not know, either. I would have to have a list from each team so that I would know.

I love the idea of having them sign out on a sheet of paper. Covers you, and if there is bad information, it is on the students.

Knowing me, I would also send a politely written letter (email) to the principal or whoever would be in charge of this a short statement telling them how that puts substitutes in a bad place in case of emergency procedures with a suggestion of having students go to the office to sign out of class or something similar. I would hate having to take guff from the "narc" as I don't know who that is. Teacher? AP? Counselor?
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So ridiculous
Old 10-14-2018, 08:14 AM
 
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Ok, the person that came to you about the students was out of line, if you ask me. If they know all of the students in a particular sport, then how about they come get each student, or stand where the athletes are and check off each kid and those not supposed to be there be escorted to detention, office...wherever.

It's hard enough for the full-time teachers to remember which kids are in a sport setting, but downright impossible for a sub to know! Good gravy.
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happens in elementary too
Old 10-14-2018, 08:27 AM
 
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I totally understand and sympathize with your situation. I have a strong work ethic too, but sometimes find myself being unfairly chastised by staff for their own or others' oversights and negligence. (And yes, it is aggravating!) All you can do is take measures to CYA whenever possible.

Oftentimes, the sub plan fails to include important details which the sub then is unfairly held accountable for. I think it's a great idea to take names and document everything you can .

I sub in elementary schools, where during the day there are often breakout groups that switch classes for English Language or Intervention or Speech or testing or any number of other things. Usually the teacher is good about leaving a list of the schedule and students who are supposed to leave or arrive. But sometimes I am not given this and I have students trying to leave class without my being able to confirm their authorization. I never let kids do something just because they tell me it's OK. Calling the office when you have 30 kids to handle may not be a feasible option (sometimes they don't even pick up). Having the students write their names and destination is a smart measure to take.


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Old 10-14-2018, 03:35 PM
 
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I don’t have a team list, and sometimes I don’t know things until last minute. I had two kids out for a tournament last week, and nobody told me. The only reason I found out was one of the kids told me.
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Old 10-16-2018, 04:56 AM
 
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I don't have much to add, but I've been through all of this too.

About calling the office to check, and I think we've all been in this situation . . . You really need to contact someone to get an answer to a question like this one, but instead, you hear, "Hi! I'm ___________, secretary at _____ School. I'm away from my desk, but please leave a message and I'll get right back to you." There's sometimes a second or third office number, but when you call, you get the same response. They usually try to help when they can, but they're often swamped and unable to provide help or answer questions when it's most needed.

It should be a requirement for any coach, field trip organizer, etc. who needs to have students leave class early--please provide a list for every teacher (and sub).
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Old 10-16-2018, 06:43 PM
 
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That really seems to be common sense to me, especially when they aren't in uniform or anything. I know if I were a coach it would be common sense to me.
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Old 10-17-2018, 08:35 AM
 
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This is why I document everything from students who leave to teachers who “borrow things.” Too many times I’ve had students pull a fast one on me or had a teacher borrow something; brother ptouch, art supplies, and what not.
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You didn’t do anything wrong
Old 10-22-2018, 02:20 AM
 
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Classroom teacher and former sub here. That is ridiculous- trying to put the blame on you for kids who were clearly trying to get away with something. How bout blame the kids?

I never ever know when my last period kids are leaving early. Occasionally I’ll get the studious kid who comes in to say the football team has an away game, etc., but more often than not they just get up and walk out. If I stopped to check every time that happened, I would never get anything done.
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Old 10-27-2018, 10:02 AM
 
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This is why I document everything from students who leave to teachers who “borrow things.” Too many times I’ve had students pull a fast one on me or had a teacher borrow something; brother ptouch, art supplies, and what not.
I'm still a rookie but I've learned to write everything down that is questionable. I don't know if it has helped the teacher but I feel better knowing that things are documented.
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