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Old 01-31-2014, 06:01 PM
 
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I was wondering how many students you have. We run 30 per class and are having a lot of trouble getting them to benchmark in reading. How was reading taught before class size reduction? If you have any suggestions they will be welcome. Thanks.


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Old 01-31-2014, 06:06 PM
 
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My principal is amazing at keeping our classes small, due to our high at-risk population. I have 17 this year, and haven't had over 18 in quite a few years.
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30 is NOT acceptable! Especially in primary, where 17 seems to be the magic number that comes up most for positive outcomes...so you are pretty much having to stuff 2 class loads into 1!
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our classes have 22-24

I'm sped and I have 13
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Old 01-31-2014, 07:42 PM
 
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We have 20 in k-2, 25 in 3rd and 28 in 4-6. I can't imagine getting 30 kids all to the current benchmarks. When we did have 30 kids the benchmarks were much lower!


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I started out at 32, went up to 33, back down to 32 until December. Then they moved out 3 students to another school in our district, the last students in. Then in January they hired another 2nd grade teacher and dropped us down to 26. It is better, but I miss the days of 20.
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Old 01-31-2014, 09:52 PM
 
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We will have 28 next year. The talking heads say that "research has shown there is no difference in learning outcomes for classes between 18-28." Any teacher will tell you there IS a difference! We are spread too thin trying to meet the needs of our little ones who are still learning how to do school. Other studies have shown that larger class sizes do not really impact the high performers, but children from lower socio-economic groups and some minority groups do suffer.

I think in the old days we did not emphasize differentiation as much as we do nowadays. Maybe there was more whole-group teaching.
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My theory on how they used to do it is that the demographics were different. I know in our school we have a lot of English Learners. Parents who don't speak English. Some try to learn, others don't make any effort. I have two parents this year who have been in the U.S. for 8 years or more who do not speak any English. There is also parents working more/not able/wanting to help their kids. More outside of school commitments also. When I was growing up (approaching 40), there weren't a lot of 2-parents working, if you were new to the country you tried your best to learn English, if I had trouble with my homework, a parent was there to help me. Today's students have all grown up with video games and a million TV stations the attention span seems much shorter. If a kid was extremely far below grade level, I think they were held back or got services. I know there were different levels when I was in school because we were placed that way for 6th grade, but I have kids who are in my class functioning 2 years below their grade. They don't get any extra help, it is expected the teacher will do it all.

Class size: 1-2: 24, 3rd 32. 2 of 6 Elementary Schools have reduced their 3rd grade classes to 24. Due to not following class size reduction, 20% more have to do it next year (3rd). Not really sure how it will work because our Super (and P agrees), seems to think we can have 40 kids in a class, some are working on Chromebooks doing iReady or Kahn Academy and some are working with the teacher. A colleague of mine was at a school that did it last year and said she hated it. That it didn't work as the kids knew there was no accountability because they were only with one teacher for a short period of time.
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The talking heads say that "research has shown there is no difference in learning outcomes for classes between 18-28."

My dad used to say society says an expert is anyone who carries a briefcase.
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I have nineteen first graders
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But one is only in the room for 45 minutes a day.
We do Guided Reading. Our reading groups are not supposed to be larger than 6, and we have an hour and a half reading block. There would be no way to give every reading group enoough time if we had 30 kids in a class. I don't know where these "experts" get their ideas.


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We are not allowed more than 18 students in our classes k-3. This is due to a state program designed to keep class sizes for math and reading under 18.
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Old 02-01-2014, 08:31 AM
 
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I too have heard the "research says"...and most of us realize you can find research that supports either side...but I have NEVER seen this research for primary grades...it is always lower (17 seems to be the best) and the "talking heads" and just trying to save a buck! They also say it all is based on having an excellent teacher...oh great, you are excellent so we are going to shove 15 more kids in your class, increase your workload and stress level with no raise...and expect up to not burn out or have any stress or anxiety...because you are not human, you are an excellent teacher.
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Old 02-01-2014, 11:58 AM
 
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Second grade - 24 students. 6 IEP's; 2 ADHD (unmedicated), 10 reading below grade level and 6 reading above grade level.
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Old 02-01-2014, 12:32 PM
 
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AM K has 19, PM K has 18. Other grade levels are higher - ranging from 23 -25 per class. Many, many years ago, I had 27 kindergartners in one class.
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26 regular Ed students all day. Of those, 3 have ieps and 6 are on meds of some type- with varying degrees of success. I also have 2 students mainstreamed in for reading time for a grand total of 28. I am in a very low income school with students who have very high needs socially,emotionally, and educationally. It is hard on us all. No one wants to hear that sticking nearly 30 kids in a class will impede learning.
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Old 02-02-2014, 01:40 AM
 
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I have 24 first graders...
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Old 02-02-2014, 10:07 AM
 
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15 this year with a coteacher...my teammate has 18 and a coteacher. We are generally around the 18 mark each year. Mine is inclusion and hers is pull out sped students. We teach first grade.
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This is a doable number for me. I had 24 students a couple of years ago. I have 3 reading groups and see each group daily for 20 minutes.
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Old 02-03-2014, 07:47 AM
 
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Currently I have 18. The largest class I ever had was 25 in first grade-- that year was rough!! The younger students need so much small group and one-on-one attention that is virtually impossible to meet all of their needs when class sizes are larger than 20.

As a teacher you totally feel the difference just a few students make!
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Thanks for the responses
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We used to have classes of 20 in the primary grades, but state budget cuts resulted in districts raising the limit. I talked to one of the 4th grade teachers the other day who commented that she could tell that her current students were in the larger classes. Our students are low income and language learners meaning if they can't get it at school, there is no one able to help them at home. Rumor has it that we may drop to 24. I hope so.
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Old 02-03-2014, 06:26 PM
 
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18 students (will be 17 at the end of the week) and 1 of those is for only an hour.
And so many medical concerns (ADHD, allergies, etc.) when the nurse handed me the paperwork she said I drew the really short stick, because I has the most in the whole school and I have the smallest class.
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OP, you must be in CA
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I knew you were in CA before I saw your username. I'm in CA too, and I know how horribly common those insane class sizes are here. I student taught in second grade with 32 kids. Totally normal, totally ridiculous.

I have 19 in first grade right now, but I am at a charter.
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Old 02-04-2014, 11:21 AM
 
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I'm getting a new 1st grader tomorrow because he's falling through the cracks in a ps class which has 30 1st graders. I thought my state had a limit much less than that. I'm going to research this...
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Old 02-05-2014, 04:40 PM
 
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26 now in second. Have had 32. Looks like it will be 30 next year.
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You have to wonder why the future citizens of our country are getting such a bad start educationally.

The research proves that overcrowded classes result in less learning. How could it be otherwise?

How could it be beneficial for adults in the year (hmmmmm, 15 years from now so 2029) to have a poor educational background, with such bad handwriting (cursive not being taught in schools anymore) that they have to type everything to be understandable?

The powers that be understand what they are doing as they go about trashing our educational system. Its up to us to figure out why this is happening.
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Old 02-06-2014, 04:53 PM
 
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and I have 25 (18 boys, 7 girls!)

Our 3 first grades this year each have 30. It is horrible.


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Workshop model has given independence
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Hello. I feel your pain. I too am in CA with 31 2nd graders.
Fortunately our school adopted using workshop models for reading, writing, and math a few years ago. It was quite a bit of work teaching routines to allow us to have the kids working independently enough that we could run a small group.

In the beginning it is tough, but through gradual release it has been doable. Some years are easier than others it depends on the mix of 31 students. I've used the Daily 5 model for teaching routines/procedures and still use a lot of their management techniques. Hopefully some of these workshop / Daily 5 routines could aid your students into become more independent gaining you some valuable small group time. Independent book boxes at each child's level have been the huge difference in helping them to practice the skills they need until I can have them in my group.

Good luck and Cross your fingers that we'll have class size reduction in our future.
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It's funny, because for prek it's 15 or less (depending on enrollment). Then kindergarten, it's 25. A lot of our kids don't do well in kinder. I know the middle school and high school numbers are huge, but don't have exact numbers.
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Old 02-12-2014, 08:52 AM
 
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The highest K class I have ever had was 34 students in a half day program, with no assistance. We were told that nothing would be done until we reached 35. Luckily since then we have changed the WAPT requirements for English Instruction so I always have enough students to be split into two classes.
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I teach ESL kinder and feel some of your pains. No aid, we use small groups, tiered intervention (computer: Istation), pull out and a specials enrichment/tutoring rotation. Schools/districts are allowed to get "waivers" for class size from the state(s). I don't feel it's appropriate to have such large numbers.....but it seems to be the trend. I also had 25+ when I taught 1rst. I had a shared aide for pre-k (1 aide:4 pre-k teachers), 2 classes of 15-18.
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What kind of improvement have you seen?
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This is my 3rd year teaching 3rd grade and I have my biggest class ever- 20 students.
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