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Can a principal make you go in right now?
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Hi, so our state is in shelter in place or stay at home, I'm not sure I know the difference between the two, schools are closed. Our district is having families come in to get chromebooks for their child next week. Can the principal tell you that you are expected to come in and help??


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My guess is yes. You are under contract for the work day and could be deemed an essential worker. If you have a strong union check the leadership and definitely mention a "change in working conditions."
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Cashiers are still going to work. Doctors and nurses are still going to work. So are police officers.

You have two choices, here.

A. You can comply. In which case, I would be asking what safety measures are being put in place. Will you be supplied with gloves and or a mask, or should you bring your own. Will children and parents stay six feet away?

B. Don't go in. You could be too ill, or get a doctor's note advising against it because you have pre-existing conditions.

Depending on what state I was in, I'd probaby go in, bringing my own homemade face mask and gloves. I'd figure out a way to pass the chromebooks while keeping a safe distance.
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oh yeah, my son has cp
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I forgot to mention that our son has cerebral palsy and if he gets sick and develops pneumonia, it could be very bad. Kids with cp are more prone to develop pneumonia and upper respiratory problems. The principal knows this. It's actually my husband's principal. My principal is a saint.
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Kids and parents won't adhere to keeping a safe distance. Many won't. I'd do your research especially if the governor doesn't want kids going into school buildings. I wonder if they are breaking a rule.


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Yes, I agree they can have you work- teachers are still getting paid even though some are not required to do anything right now (and others are required to do a lot- definitely a lack of equity there).

With your particular situation, I'd be talking more with the P about the risk factors and asking if there's some other way your husband can help/participate that don't involve exposing him (and your son) to everyone else.
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It's not the working that is the problem, it's the exposure. We have no problem with working...we are getting paid after all. But they are not going to have safety protocols in place most likely...I mean, where are they going to get masks if health care workers can't even get them?

And they aren't the most careful of people. For instance many of the staff just had a PARTY the other night...like a drunken party.

I also don't see how they would be able to keep parents away 6 feet...how do you give something to someone while you're six feet away?

Plus there was no consideration for people who might be carers of older people, or people who are medically fragile like my son. It was just "you are expected to come.."

I'm mad.
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I should specify that I meant they can have you work in the way that they say. Not that I think you're not expecting to work. I understand it's about exposure.

As I said, I'd be talking to them to explain circumstances and ask what your husband could do instead. I'm sorry you are going through this.
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cross the Bridge when you get there
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Have they asked for you or your husband to come in yet? If not, I'd cross that bridge when you get there.

I'm not sure if they can force you or not. If asked, I would explain the situation. Couldn't a sick day be taken if worse comes to worse?
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Old 03-26-2020, 02:53 PM
 
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I think it depends on the state. We're supposed to be reporting employers who don't have safety measures in place if they're requiring employees to work.

We're having families come get chromebooks next week, and I volunteered to pass them out.

My plan is to have the chromebooks ready to with charger cords in stacks on a table. They'll each have a label.

There will be a big sign telling people to wait in line practicing social distance. I will be behind a barrier more than six feet away.

The family member will take the top computer off the stack, read the label to me and state their name, and go.

Families will just need to be sure to wash hands and sanitize the chromebook when they get it home, but after 2 weeks of sitting alone in a classroom, they should be fine to handle, so I'll be sure to wash my hands and wear at least a cloth mask to prevent too much breathing on them.

But if I were you, I'd definitely point out the risk factor for your particular family and ask if there's a different way for you to support the effort.


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How Gromit explained they are doing it is how EVERY school should be doing this! Common sense.

Throw this idea out to your P. If we are trying to stop the spread of the virus NO ONE needs to be in close proximity to one another, no matter WHAT the reason is!!

I just can't believe the powers that be aren't thinking these things through...

Sorry, turned into a little vent. I am just tired of people still getting together, whatever the reason.
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No, she didn't ask him to come in, she told him to come in. There was no asking, lol
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thank you Gromit, that's a good way to distribute them.
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Great plan Gromit ! Thanks for sharing.
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Yes, Iím finding that too. The inequity of it district to district. I think OSPI in our state will come out with more guidance soon. Our district is pretty lock step across all schools and we are all sending home the exact same things. It doesnít vary teacher to teacher or school to school.
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The inequity between districts illustrates class inequality in America. It is unfair to children and always has been. Teachers do not have the power or money to install internet and hand out chrome books to families. The pandemic has very well illustrated the lack of safety nets for children in America. The provision of internet and tech equipment does not guarantee the follow through of parents either . Best of luck to all children and teachers.
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My opinion differs....
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I believe that NO, during a pandemic where a shelter in place order has been issued and you are not doing work that is necessary to the health and safety of others you should not be asked to go in. My state has a specific list of necessary work and teaching is not on it. Governors closed the schools, therefore they are not considered 'necessary to health and safety'. Just my opinion, I'm not a lawyer
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you should ask your union rep. if you have one. This is exactly why we need unions. If your governor closed schools, I don't think he could make all staff go in.

Pass out chrome books? Our schools have security measures at the door. Why can't parents be given an appointment, a day and time to come to the school and spread them out over the day or several days if it is a large school. Have one or two people in the office. Buzz a parent through the first door one at a time, have them come to the window show ID, pass the chrome book under the glass and have the parent sign that they received it?
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I'm not sure I know the difference between the two,
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If your governor closed schools, I don't think he could make all staff go in.
Shelter in place had a specific meaning prior to this, but right now the two terms are being used interchangeably by the public. The exact meaning completely depends upon your governor's executive order.

For example, my governor's order specifically says districts may call on teachers to "provide learning support," and handing out Chromebooks could be that support.

It also directs all employers requiring employees to report to provide all possible safety precautions.

So in my case, yes, I could be required but they would be required to provide me as much protection as possible.
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I second checking with your union if you have one. If not, read the order from the governor carefully and see what it says about schools. Ours specifically says that we are only to be providing distance learning right now and that buildings are not to open. However, I know admin was delivering chromebooks/ i pads to students who were absent on our last day. I'm sure they weren't given much choice in the matter.

We had a day back when we first closed (almost two weeks ago now) where they asked for volunteers to come in to assist parents who were picking things up. They only needed 5 and and about 15 people wanted to come in. I would have gone myself, but I had virtual IEP meetings. It was also a somewhat different scenario 2 weeks ago, IMO- everything else hadn't closed down yet.
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Is your husband teaching online every day? In my district, staff who are not teaching online and who are not in the high-risk group have been called in to distribute worksheet packets, meals, and now ipads/laptops. For us, this includes some specials teachers, some specialists and administrators, paras, and any staff not teaching online. They are even delivering to some kids' homes.

I totally understand wanting to protect your son from getting sick. The principal may not remember or understand how vulnerable kids with CP are to pneumonia. Most people don't. Your husband should definitely call and explain, as well as offer to do any other work that will not expose him to the virus.


As others have said, the school should be setting up a "no contact" system to distribute supplies. Maybe they already have.
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I would suggest your husband contact the P and let him/her know the situation with your child. I would think he can be excused in that situation. It won't take a whole staff to hand out devices. Also, staggering the families coming in makes sense. Or they could wait in their car until their turn. There are ways to limit contact and still hand them out.
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Not even getting out of cars
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My school just sent out directions today. They aren't even letting the parents get out of their cars. They roll down the window, give the names, then open their trunk. The staff working puts the Chromebook in the trunk.
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We were given the option to use sick days if we didnít want to go in.
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Passing out Chromebooks
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We passed out some Chromebooks to families last week. We had them stay in the car and then passed the Chromebooks and any other materials through the window. Many parents had sanitizing wipes and wiped them down immediately. Also, we had lots of hand sanitizer available for ourselves and each of us stayed 6 feet apart. It was essentially a "drive thru". Also, our principal asked for only those who were comfortable to come in to help. We had about 6 of us. I felt like everyone took it very seriously, and it went really well.

As a side note, the local sheriff must have noticed the activity because they drove up and watched for a few minutes. The principal went over to talk to them and they were fine with how we were doing it.
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Since you have special circumstances with your son, I would not have your husband go in. If is pushed, he should say he's had a cough and cannot risk exposing families.

You need to protect your son and put him first.
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Handing out Chromebooks
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Monday, parents will be picking up Chromebooks at the 3-5 school.They will stay in cars, and staff will be signing out Chromebooks to them. Wednesday, the 1st and Second grade staff will be doing the same at the K-2 building. Kindergarteners will continue to have packets emailed to their parents. Those who donít have access will be able to pick them up.
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Contract Language
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If you have a union, read your contract language. That could constitute a change in working conditions, which would then require you to look at the Education Code for your state. If it says during certain situations they can override the contract language, then you would have to go in.
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