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Advice for pulling out students
Old 09-09-2014, 09:03 PM
 
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Does anyone have any advice for working with classroom teachers that are unwilling to release their students for special services? I have a situation where a particular classroom teacher does not want to have her students pulled out by any specialist, whether it is the Sp Ed, ESL, Title teacher, or even the school social worker. She feels that her students are missing out on valuable instruction and that her students' test scores will subsequently be lowered, reflecting negatively on her teaching skills. Even if she does send her students, they filter in one by one because she required them to complete work in her room before they are allowed to leave. She may also tell the students that they are missing out on important or fun things occurring in her room, causing the students to come to their intervention with a negative attitude. Administration has not been helpful with this situation either. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!


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Before I read your entire message, I was going to say that it is definitely a situation that administration needs to handle. That would absolutely NOT fly in my school.

If this teacher is interfering with special ed students, isn't she technically NOT following their IEP? So wouldn't that potentially be a case for a lawsuit??? I can't believe administration isn't dealing with this teacher.

Sorry--I don't have any advice. Let me ponder on this, and if I come up with anything I can share, I'll let you know! Sorry you are in this situation.
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I send home a weekly sheet to the parents letting them know skills we worked on, test scores, etc. For those students who have teachers like these I make sure I document when a student is late, why class was cancelled, etc. Cover yourself if a parent ever comes back and asks you why you aren't providing services for their child.
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This would be an administration question in regards to the students benchmarks assessments, running records, and Tier 2 student RTI, below grade level for at risk students. I would send an email to the teacher and Carbon copy to principal so that they all will be in the loop and aware of this situation. If you have it in an email, it covers you and shows that the principal is aware of the situation. It officially would be the principals problem if he/or she chooses not to do the appropriate right thing in the best interest of the student.
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Old 09-11-2014, 10:43 PM
 
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Did the parents consent to services? If the parents consented to services than the child has to be serviced. I would remind her the school could lose their Title I funding if her students aren't getting what they need. I would show up at the door of her room to collect the students. I would remind her that Title I is an important service her students need. I would do my best to pull them during a time when they are doing morning work/independent work/having snack/etc. so that they are missing as little instructional time as possible. It's also important they still having at least 90 minutes of core reading in their classroom or the full math block (depending what it is they are receiving Title for). Then make sure you schedule enough time for transitions and are prompt yourself so not to further annoy the teachers. I am going to have to deal with this issue myself. One grade level last year was always sending students 10-15 minutes late. Now again this year (when I'm only currently pulling one student) they are sending a student late again. He came yesterday with only 8 minutes left of our time and today came with only 15 minutes. Some teachers just really don't understand how this adds up. Even 5 minutes late everyday is 25 minutes of intervention lost. That's like missing one day a week!


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I had this experience
Old 09-12-2014, 10:15 AM
 
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with a teacher who refused to release her student for IEP services. We called a meeting with the parents and they decided to keep the child in class and signed the legal documents releasing me from responsibility (refusing services).

You need to CYA. If you are not functioning under a legal contract (IEP) that can be adjusted,then be sure you document copies of the teacher's refusal to release the students--I'd send a reminder email of the schedule for her students every week (keep a paper copy) and an attendance form for each child indicating how late they were or any missed sessions--differentiate the child being absent and not being sent. The secretary can let you know absences if your district uses computer attendance programs.

If she tells you to stop sending the emails, explain that you, too, are evaluated by your students' progress and need to be able to show how much contact you had.

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I would address everything to the administrator on a weekly basis: what the child is missing, their IEP goals, the number of minutes, etc.

You can't make the teacher comply if the admin. doesn't....and you can't be held responsible if the teacher won't release them. I'd make it a form so all you have to do is insert the data for the week and let it go.

I wouldn't go around her back to the parents. THe administrator is the one responsible, once you have turned it over to her/him. Keep meticulous records.

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Old 09-13-2014, 03:48 AM
 
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I had this happen to me this week. Went to principal and said classroom teacher wants me to sit for an hour in her room and listen to them read and keep them on task. Principal says for me to go back and say I'm going to pull one kids and here is the reason why. Didn't leave me feeling great. Either way I will now have a strain relationship with this teacher
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What exactly has been admin's response? At my school, the principal okays all of the special service schedules. Teachers have to abide by these schedules or face reprimand.
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