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Old 04-02-2015, 08:49 PM
 
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If a student opts out of standardized testing, what happens?

The score affects a teachers eval.

The score affects the school's grade.

The score affects the district/state.

So a parent has no choice. They opt out and affect a teacher they love. They don't opt out and they have their child's test scores in an online database.

There are so many privacy concerns!


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In CO, they just ruled that opting out does not affect a teacher's eval. or the school's grade.

If enough parents would opt out, all of the worries in your post would be a moot point. Parents have the power. They just need to use it. There is a huge opt out movement here in CO. Not sure about other states.
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which ones won't be opting out...
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How can it NOT affect the evaluation?
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Will they assume the child would have passed, and score the teacher accordingly?

For example, to make the numbers easy.

Teacher has 20 students. 4 fail.
Teacher's average is 80% pass rate. Not the best, but meets the minimum.

Teacher has 20 students. 10 opt out. 4 fail.
Teacher has a 60% pass rate. Unacceptable, and she's labeled as a failing teacher.

OTOH, if they count all opt outs as passing, the slick teacher could convince the parents of her SMLTF (Student most likely to fail) to opt out. If so, she can get a better score.
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I support opting out
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I am in NYS, and we just had a huge anti-teacher budget passed, much to my horror. Our scores are based on VAM (value-added model), NOT the passing rate. The VAM is deeply flawed, and has been exposed as such by mathematicians, of all people. However, because it is based on student growth and not passing rates, you should not be affected if your "top" kids don't take the test. It will affect the school's report card, but, if you have a large number of students refusing the test (my preferred terminology), that will have to be reflected.

We are in the talons of Pearson, and I would love to have 50% or more of students opt out. How do you kill the snake? Cut the head off of it.

It's scary to think of all that can go wrong, but it's also exhilarating to think how passive resistance might stop the testing madness!


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Old 04-03-2015, 01:14 PM
 
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Even if it affects all those things, I encourage parents to opt out. If I had school age children in school I'd be opting them out!
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In my state you can't opt out.
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So what happens in a state that doesn't allow opting out if parents don't allow their child to test? Automatic failure?
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Old 04-03-2015, 05:53 PM
 
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YUP!! the ones who are opting out are probably the ones who raise the scores up because they have parents who give a cr@p about them.
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Old 04-03-2015, 06:10 PM
 
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I'd opt my kid out if I knew how. She's not an automatic pass either----she'd pass science and social studies, whichever they're testing, maybe pass the language arts (she did last year) and let's just hope she doesn't have a nervous breakdown in the math portion. I'm in Virginia. If anybody knows how, lemme know.


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Old 04-03-2015, 06:24 PM
 
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I don't know the answer to your question, but honestly, it makes no difference to me what happens. No child should be subjected these tests and I fully support opting out (though, none of my families are doing so).

If I had school aged children, I'd opt them out. No question. It is unethical of us to allow students to test for 9 out of 15 days (fourth and eighth graders in our state). I will have to watch this happen in a week and I'm SICK over it. If I could walk out right now, I would do it. I'd do it in a heartbeat. It's not okay. I feel like I've done nothing but test my students. I recently had a data meeting about my most recent test scores and the question of why there wasn't much movement came up. Um, how about, I tested my students in the beginning of February, then had to do DRAs all month, then tested them again in March. If I'm not teaching, I can't expect raised scores!!!

I can't do this anymore and if I were in a state where opting out weren't an option, I would homeschool or find a way to make private school work. My kids will not take these tests.

Sorry for my rant.
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Old 04-03-2015, 06:43 PM
 
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If a student opts out there is no score so they don't count toward the percentage. So if I had 20 students and 2 opt out my score would be based on a percentage out of 18. However, if too many opt out then the school doesn't meet the minimum attendance requirement.

The testing is ridiculous and the amount of time we have to spend on it is a waste of student learning time. It is harmful to teachers and schools. Teachers are frustrated since we are judged on something we have no control over and doesn't reflect teaching practices at all. Schools are publicly bashed as low achieving based on scores that do not take in to account student needs.
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Old 04-05-2015, 12:29 AM
 
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We can't opt out in Arizona either.
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There is an opt out movement
Old 04-05-2015, 12:58 PM
 
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nationwide. It is a parent's right to opt their child out. While state laws differ, there are ways.
For example, here's some information for Arizona. http://unitedoptout.com/wp-content/u...ruary-2015.pdf

If I had school age kids and was refused their being opted out, can you say lawsuit?
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