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Old 04-03-2019, 04:07 PM
 
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Just curious....how often does your school counselor deliver guidance lessons at your school? Is guidance in your special class rotation or is it scheduled outside of specialist time?

Is your counselor expected to handle all of the state testing materials and scheduling?

Is your counselor expected to do all of the IQ testing for Special Education placement?


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how often does your school counselor deliver guidance lessons at your school?
Every other week for 30 minutes.

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Is guidance in your special class rotation or is it scheduled outside of specialist time?
Kind of both. It's considered a special in the sense that I get a prep. However, it takes place in my classroom. It's not scheduled by the principal with the other schedules, we schedule it with the counselor after all that is done. If the counselor is sick, there is no sub, so if the counselor is gone on a day we don't have guidance, we don't have guidance and lose our prep. Our counselor also expects (actually insists) on making up the lesson if she is gone. On one hand, it's nice because then we still do get that prep, but on the other hand, it can make for some juggling to find time.

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Is your counselor expected to handle all of the state testing materials and scheduling?
Nope. Our counselor doesn't handle this at all. Even when I was in public school she didn't handle it. In public school, our principal made all of the testing schedules. Tests switched to computer based after my 3rd year, teaching. During those first 3 years, classroom teachers brought text booklets and and answer sheets to administration. At my current school, our only test is online, it's MAPS. Administration sets the testing window. Teachers schedule times as they please. No paper materials for anyone to handle since it's computer based. The principal handles make up tests, or tests for students who require 1:1 testing and/or distraction free, but sometimes the counselor and lit coach help out, based on the number of kids who need make up testing or other services.

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Is your counselor expected to do all of the IQ testing for Special Education placement?
In the public school I was at, the school psych did the IQ testing for Special Ed. The Special Ed. teacher did the academic testing. At this school, if there is a referral for special ed, the school district in our town sends over people to do it. The psych does the IQ test and the special ed. teacher does the academic testing in this district, too, so they are the ones who come to our Catholic school to test.
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We've previously tried having the counselor do whole class lessons on social/emotional curriculum. Everyone ended up just feeling like that wasn't a great use of time. Ironically, the counselor and psych tended to struggle with classroom management (they say "we're not teachers"), so the lessons never went well. It also just made more sense for them to spend time on doing tier 2/3 social/emotional interventions for students who need them rather than doing whole class things that don't pertain to everyone or may not be what the most impacted kids need. The counselor runs lunch bunch groups and deals with behavior situations as they come up.

We've also done the state testing thing differently in different years. Sometimes this responsibility has been given to non-classroom teachers. For the past couple of years, the AP has done it.

Our counselor does not do IQ testing. The school psych does that.
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how often does your school counselor deliver guidance lessons at your school? Is guidance in your special class rotation or is it scheduled outside of specialist time?
The schedule calls for her to be in each class once a month. She creates her own schedule outside of the specials rotation. I believe she asks teachers for a few time preferences and then makes a schedule from that. Honestly, if she gets in the classroom 4X a year, that is lucky. She has a lot on her plate and there are a lot of interruptions to her schedule.

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Is your counselor expected to handle all of the state testing materials and scheduling?
In some elementary schools in our district, the answer would be yes. In our building, the counselor provides any SPED accommodations (1:1 or in small groups) for the required state testing, while our SPED teacher provides the accommodations for the NWEA MAP (1:1 or small group). We have a leadership team that includes a few staff representatives who receive stipends. They make the testing schedule. So some years the counselor may do it if she is on the leadership team, sometimes it's our AP, sometimes it's a teacher.

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Is your counselor expected to do all of the IQ testing for Special Education placement?
Our counselor schedules and runs our student assistance team meetings (the referrals to review data and come up with support solutions that sometimes end with a SPED referral), but does not do any of our SPED testing. Our SPED teacher and School Psych do that.
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Thank you for your responses. Our counselor does a 30 minute lesson every other week. If she is absent, there is no substitute. She does make up the missed lesson.

Our counselor is our building testing coordinator for state testing. She is also expected to do the IQ testing for Sped placement and re-evals. This seems to be typical in my rural area.

I was just curious as to what other areas of the country expected of the school counselor.


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My class goes to her room once a week for 30 minutes half of each semester--it works out to every other week. She likes doing this because if something goes sideways, the kid already knows her. That makes sense to me.

She insists she isn't part of the master schedule and doesn't have to abide by our pull out times, which makes scheduling a nightmare.

She doesn't touch testing. She's not a certified teacher.

The district diags do all SpEd and Gifted testing. Our counselor is not a diag.
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