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Working 55+ hours w/another department...no overtime pay!
Old 12-20-2018, 11:17 AM
 
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I am working 7-3 in high school almost every day. The exception that most of us encounter includes teacher work days and holidays. When I leave my assignment, I help out another department for 3 hours.
I work 55 hours a week and the district has me classified as part time, which is unfortunate, but that’s not the real issue.
I’ve contacted the government agency that handles inquiries regarding FLSA and they say that substitutes along with full time teachers do not qualify for overtime.

I enjoy the extra cash, but getting up at 4:50 am and getting home at 7 pm is taking its toll for the little $ I’m paid. I’ve decided that I’ll probably resign very soon.

Has anyone else encountered this scenario through their own experience or seen someone else in a similar situation?


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are you talking about? It sounds like elementary, but wondering.

What would happen if you stopped working the 3 extra hours?
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Wage and hour laws differ from state to state... part-time versus full time is only part of the consideration. There's also "exempt" versus "non-exempt" classifications and pay rates enter into it. For example, when I sub I am paid a "per diem" (amount for the day). The length of the day isn't a factor. Wage and hour laws are not as simple as often thought. For example, if you are working two different jobs for the same company (district) and neither exceeds 40 hours... in some cases you wouldn't have worked overtime in either job.

Since you've already contacted government agencies and been told you're not eligible for overtime, in some ways "it is what it is" and you'll need to decide if it's worth it.

In regards to my situation with the per diem, I've had long days due to extenuating circumstances and I've had short days. Personally, I think it all balances out in the end.

Your additional considerations might be how much enjoyment you are getting and what you're long-term goals are. If you are seeking permanent employment with the district the experience and your willingness to work could be an investment.
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This part stymies me:
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When I leave my assignment, I help out another department for 3 hours.
I am employed in my school full time, but if I "helped out" another department after my original contract time without a discussion about a stipend or extra contract, I would assume it was a volunteer position.

We have tons of parents, staff and community members helping to run many programs after school. Some are part of their contracts, some are extra contracts or stipends and the rest are voluntary (unpaid.)

If you didn't have an actual conversation about pay somewhere along the line, they may be considering your efforts there as voluntary as well.
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Additional Info re: my over time issue...
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I apologize. I donít believe I was clear. I work High School from 7-3, then I drive to transportation to help out with dispatch and call center for three hours after that.
Im lookingbto reseign from the transportation position. Itís too many hours for so little pay.
Iím paid per diem for my substitute assignment, but Iím paid hourly for transportation. Both substitute teaching and transportation end up on the same paycheck. They show the per diem as one hour per day worked under the hours column. Itís shady if you ask me. Instead of it showing 110 hours, it shows 10 hours for all subbed days worked in a pay period and shows 30 for transportation. The total looks as though itís only 40 for that two week pay period.
This job requires quite a bit of knowledge about the district most parents would not have. Itís definoyel not volunteer. Itís is not connected to any side duty thatís related to my substitute teaching.

Thanks for all of the responses. All information and opinions are helpful.


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Thanks for the clarification... no apology necessary. I think some of the confusion came from saying you were "helping out." It's a true statement but may have led some to think you were volunteering.

My suspicion was correct. You're being paid for two different jobs in one paycheck, that's why no overtime. Your subbing pay is for one unit, not one hour. A unit is a day. They can't list hours because you're not paid on an hourly basis and the length of your day could vary. It would be great if the payroll software made that clear but I doubt that's a priority. Your paycheck includes 10 days pay for subbing plus 30 hours pay for the time you spend in dispatch.

My check looks similar when I sub as a teacher (per diem) and as an Ed Tech (hourly). Personally, I see nothing "shady" about it but would agree that it could be more clearly stated.
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Yes, that does clear that part up
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They did discuss the pay and requirements when you took the job. You agreed to the terms at that time, right?

I agree that the unit of pay does skew the numbers somewhat but also disagree that it is shady... Every school that does per diem/full days (and half days) has the same system.

I say you can quit if you want--you're a grown up. Quit if you don't like it anymore. But, you really can't say that you were cheated if you knew, understood and agreed to the terms at the time and haven't brought it up to them since.
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I am very pleased to resign.
Old 12-22-2018, 11:32 AM
 
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Actually, the terms were stated; and then took on a life of their own. I started out handling overflow with calls and now itís turned into handling dispatch and placating angry parents which is more of a managers task. It started out to be occasional and then they wanted me to cover more often, so that I could relieve a supervisor, a manager, and a dispatcher.
No worries though... as an adult, I have decided to resign so as to allow management to pick up the slack and do their job and stay late.
I was actually a business major and minored in accounting. One thing I know for fact. There most be consistency. If a column is labeled hours, then hours should be calculated only under that column. If their is an intention of mixing the units of hours and per diem, then the column should most definitely reflect that. Back in school, if that were recorded on a spreadsheet, that was an F in the making, and by F...I mean representing fraud.
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