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Old 04-11-2020, 04:09 PM
 
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Once I can get unemployment, do I stop it when my job as sub would normally stop May 15? I do not want to have to pay back money I get until start of school in August. Will we be on the hook for money paid to us during time we normally are off?


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I assume that as long as we don't lie, we'll be o.k., but stranger things have happened.

I'm not going to give them information they don't ask for, but I'll answer truthfully, and hope they know what they're doing.
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I would be upfront and notify them at the end of the week that your district that gets out last ends. Otherwise I am fairly certain you will have to pay the money back as our letters of reasonable assurance say normal school vacations are not eligible. Since school districts pay into the system they can and probably will protest your claim and that could potentially impact you continuing to work for them. In my mind being honest and forthright is the best policy.
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I was making the assumption that we didn't get a letter of reassurance.
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Now that is a thought, I guess if we donít get those then collecting unemployment during the summer seems like it would be valid. I work for three districts, one already sent me a letter, one has said they will in May/June, and the third will most likely as they have in the past.


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Old 04-11-2020, 08:52 PM
 
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I will continue to collect until or unless the districts tells us not to.

If the UI does not come out of the districts coffers, they should not care.

Although districts pay into the system, do they lose money if we continue our claims?

If not, they should leave us alone.

If it does cost them, then I would expect them to notify us to end our claims.

The dilemma is what to do if only one of my three districts tells us to stop and the others do not, since about 60% of my income is from one district.

The districts should understand that IU benefits only give us half of what we would have earned, so they should therefore understand why we are continuing our claims.
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Old 04-11-2020, 09:37 PM
 
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The employers don't tell people to stop their UI claims. If you're laid off, then you are unemployed. Period.

The employer can offer you work again, at which point you can choose to resume employment with them and then report your work hours and earnings to EDD until your claim ends.
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Old 04-12-2020, 07:35 AM
 
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What exactly is a letter of reassurance? At the end of each school year, we get a form to sign up for the next year. Would that be considered a letter of reassurance? I don't want to do anything wrong but signing up for the next year doesn't necessarily mean that we will be going back in the fall.

Also, I had the same question. Does the district contribute towards our Unemployment Benefits other than what they normally pay the government when we earn a paycheck? Is the school district aware of when we are collecting benefits? I'm trying to do this right while still collecting everything that is available to me.
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I think that is a letter of reassurance. I used to think that they did that for our benefit, to let us know that they are keeping us for the next year. I had no idea it was because of unemployment.

I often have run-my-mouth-itis, and it has gotten me in trouble in the past. I'm not going to tell anyone at school that I'm getting unemployment. I don't know that they know. I don't think the school would know anything about us, individually.

I'm not sure what I'm going to do about the summer. I think I'll cross that when I get to it.
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Letter of reasonable assurance
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It's called a "letter of reasonable assurance.". The districts aren't trying to " reassure" you. It's actually a CYA legal measure to ward off EDD claims by establishing that you have an ongoing "assurance" of employment with that district following summer break (in other words, you remain on their active sub list and don't have to reapply).

That may work under normal circumstances, where you have established dates when schools close in early June and reopen in late August, for example. But these emergency closures happened unexpectedly and there's no way of knowing when the schools will reopen. There can be no "assurance" of employment, in other words.


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Old 04-12-2020, 11:32 AM
 
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I meant "assurance," not "reassurance,"

It had never even crossed my mind to try to get unemployment during the summer, when obviously I wouldn't be working. I don't know what I'm going to do this time around, though.
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Continue your claim until you work again.
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You should let your UI claim continue until you actually start working and earning wages again, whether as a sub or some other employment. It's that simple. (Unless you like being unemployed and broke.)
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Old 04-12-2020, 01:12 PM
 
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School districts are not typical employers.

If they lose money by our collecting UI, then It is possible they might send usl a notification or a "reminder" that we cannot except UI during the summer if and when it is determined that school will resume in August.

This reminder would likely be sent out at the same time we get our reassurance letters to return.

If our return date remains an uncertainty, then we will likely get neither the reassurance letters, nor any statement to discontinue our claims.

Reassurance letters always have the words " reasonable reassurance" included to guard against our collecting UI in the summer.
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Old 04-12-2020, 01:23 PM
 
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My claim has a dollar amount. I wonder if we can just go up to that dollar amount, even if it is the summer. Also, nowhere in the two-week confirmation, or whatever it is called, does it ask if you have received an assurance letter.

Something else. We got an $1100 direct deposit from my county of education, on Friday. No explanation and I'm not complaining.
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Old 04-12-2020, 01:33 PM
 
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My initial application asked me if I had gotten a letter of reassurance and I marked yes, which was the truth.
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Old 04-12-2020, 01:42 PM
 
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I still haven't received an assurance letter.
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Employers pay a tax, not your personal UI.
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I wish people would understand this. Employers pay a UI tax per employee per paycheck. The money goes to the government, not you directly. Your employers have to pay the tax regardless of whether you ever file for UI.

The thing with school districts is that they have several lengthy breaks during the year. If all their subs and other pt employees filed for UI during those breaks, the districts' UI TAX RATE would increase.

To prevent that, school districts have come up with the "letter of reasonable assurance," which identifies to EDD that you are considered a continuing employee and you have not been laid off. It's an HR legal loophole in essence.

But this is not a normal school break. I don't know about you, but I probably had 10 already scheduled classes cancelled due to this closure. I lost my work on April 13 and haven't worked since . You all are in a similar situation. Now be realistic. What if the schools don't reopen till 2021? Are you going to cancel your claim, forego UI, and go without income until 2021?

This is not about honesty. No one is trying to hide anything from EDD. It's about recognizing that you are not a full time teacher who has continued to work and get paid regardless of the closures. You are a part time temporary sub who doesn't work or get paid as long as the schools are closed . And they may remain closed for many months.

UI is a benefit available to you to help you weather this layoff period. Your districts aren't going to pay you. That's a given.

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Old 04-13-2020, 07:19 AM
 
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I think I will talk to Unemployment. I have had to pay back unemployment before. Will not make that mistake twice
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Old 04-13-2020, 10:43 AM
 
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Iíd keep taking it as long as you could. I donít think districts are going to stop you this summer.
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Old 04-13-2020, 11:14 AM
 
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I wish people would understand this. Employers pay a UI tax per employee per paycheck. The money goes to the government, not you directly. Your employers have to pay the tax regardless of whether you ever file for UI.

The thing with school districts is that they have several lengthy breaks during the year. If all their subs and other pt employees filed for UI during those breaks, the districts' UI TAX RATE would increase.

To prevent that, school districts have come up with the "letter of reasonable assurance," which identifies to EDD that you are considered a continuing employee and you have not been laid off. It's an HR legal loophole in essence.
This is an accurate post. The only thing I would add to this is I have a payroll deduction for unemployment insurance taken out of my pay check with each of the districts I work. It is not much, but it is still a deduction. I would not be concerned about what a school district thinks about someone receiving unemployment. It is typically only very small employers who fight a claim.
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Something else. We got an $1100 direct deposit from my county of education, on Friday. No explanation and I'm not complaining.
bodhimom: You wrote County of Education...

Is that like from your normal Sub employer earnings that payed
you?
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I don't know who paid what, but that is what it said on the direct deposit, only it named the county, of course. The school I have worked at, this year, is in that county.

I have $1,300 on my debit card, as of this morning, though it said that some might be pending.
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Old 04-13-2020, 03:27 PM
 
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EDD seems to like you. That is a quick response.

I only submitted my 3rd and 4th weeks yesterday, but there must be a glitch in the system today since I get the white page stating" This site can't be reached" once I click on the IU online icon after entering my password. I get the home page with no problem, but no updated claim information.


I just tried again and got one step further, but when I clicked on " View payment activity", I got the site can't be reached notification again. Maybe they are being overwhelmed right now.
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I don't know who paid what, but that is what it said on the direct deposit, only it named the county, of course. The school I have worked at, this year, is in that county.
oh ok, Lucky you!! Enjoy it!!
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Old 04-14-2020, 08:44 AM
 
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I guess the great news is true! YES!

I got an online notification that I was paid $1964 yesterday, but when I checked payment activity it read " outstanding" instead of "paid".

I suspect this is because I sent them a reminder that I requested a check. This was before I realized I could just go to the bank and transfer funds from the debit card into my checking account.

I should have left well enough alone, since I need to wait for a check to be mailed.

At least I hope this is what the delay is about. As long as there is no other reason for the outstanding notification, this is a surreal reality that will last through July 31.
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Old 04-15-2020, 02:22 PM
 
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I filed here in Michigan. My claim was approved to cover March 15 - July 25 (26 weeks). Still waiting for first payment, plus the $600 / week Covid federal payment.
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Old 04-15-2020, 03:54 PM
 
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I just tried my debit card and confirmed there are no funds.

I wonder if there would have been funds on the debit card on Monday since IU online says I was paid as soon as I filed on Sunday.

I hope that the word " outstanding" does not mean there is a problem, and that I am just waiting for a check.
I am a little concerned because our governor said today something like " actually they won't be checks, they will be debit cards.".
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Newsom said that today, too, but they said we had a choice in the paperwork.
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For anyone else receiving checks, the delay is four business days after filing.

I filed on Sunday, and got my check today (Thursday), including the extra $600 per week.

I do not know whether debit card payment comes sooner.
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