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The saga of being attacked by my non-verbal autistic kid continues. He bit my para so hard today that he broke the skin. A couple of hours after the bite, there was visible swelling.

The superintendent was in the building, and they crossed paths. He asked her how it was going, and she showed him her arm. He told her, ďWell, itís the choice all of you made when you got into special ed. Heís on the level of a three-year-old. Itís going to happen. Thereís nothing we can do about it.Ē

I canít take any drastic steps. I just canít. Iím concerned there would be repercussions. The fallback is always going to be his behaviors are because heís so low cognitively, which I get, but this situation is so far out of hand. Today was pure temper tantrums. Every time he scratched or bit, it was because he didnít get what he wanted.

Itís time for the district to drop a pair and find alternate placement. I know that wonít happen, though, because they donít want to pay for it.

Iím sorry I keep whining about it. You guys are probably frustrated because you give me advice that I canít follow through on.


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I would say your para needs to file a report with the police and seek a doctorís report. This may be the only way to get some action from the district.
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Seconding the doctors advice. At last get a report that you can pull out later if needed. Is this something that your para could file under Workmans comp so they had to pay with the doctors visits, antibiotics, etc? That might get them moving too if you keep filing Workmans comp for injuries.
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I know that filing a Police report is not really an option. I understand they will not really do anything. But filing a W/C claim is something she can do. I would go to the doctor's, you never know what can be done with the bite. I still feel filing a Police report is also a way to go.
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I would say your para needs to file a report with the police and seek a doctorís report. This may be the only way to get some action from the district
It feels weird filing a report with police since he is so low functioning.

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Seconding the doctors advice. At last get a report that you can pull out later if needed. Is this something that your para could file under Workmans comp so they had to pay with the doctors visits, antibiotics, etc? That might get them moving too if you keep filing Workmans comp for injurie
I suggested Urgent Care. If nothing else, some pricey antibiotic cream and bandage the district can pay for.

Sheís afraid of retribution, though. Like I can see admin making our lives hell (even worse than now) or forcing us to quit. The dynamics of my school are not conducive to open lines of communication. Itís like a dictatorship.


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At the very least the para needs to check and make sure her tetanus shot is up to date. If a doctor visit is needed, para should make sure they know it happened at school. The doctor office will note it when filing the insurance claim. Insurance will kick it to workmen's comp. (At least that is how it happened here.)

If para hasn't, an incident report needs to be filed. The bite needs to be on record.

Union. If you have one, call them. The superintendent's remarks were callous to say the least. Nowhere in the job description does it say must be willing to be bitten, scratchwd, and kicked.
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Old 12-05-2019, 07:40 PM
 
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We had a teacher bitten a number of years ago. Your aide should be seen by a doctor. She needs AIDS testing.
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I understand you're afraid of retribution, I really do. But your para needs to go to the doctor for a bite with broken skin - it's always been a worker's comp claim when I've done it. (One more item in a paper trail.)

And, I'm really just so sorry this is happening and you're stuck in it. It's awful and wrong.
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It feels weird filing a report with police since he is so low functioning.
Regardless of what his functioning level is, he attacked and harmed another person. Reporting to the police at least lets the admin know you are serious about not continuing to be hurt.

P.S. Your principal is a total ass.
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File an incident report and have workman's comp cover a doctor's visit.

I am aghast at those suggesting filing a police report on someone who is cognitively a 3 year old where biting is actually a normal developmental behavior although one we like to put an end to as quickly as possible. I wish those who advocate for police intervention what the judicial system is going to do to "teach" this child not to bite. To me it is just a vindictive action that is done to get back at the parent for daring to have a child who is not "normal". If you want it to get out to the media that your school filed a police report on a young child who is cognitively at the level of a 3 year old, go that route. I don't think it will provide the boost that others think it will. I do think that it will make the teachers and admin look like fools who don't understand the law or the developmental phases of children. Not a good look for a school. If I were an admin, I'd be working on getting you fired, especially if you were in a right to work state, for filing a police report for developmentally normal behavior for those functioning as a 3 year old.

Special education is supposed to be designed to handle and teach students like this. Yes, biting will happen with students who think and function like a 2 or 3 year old because biting is normal (not desired) at that age. In that the superintendent is correct. It does come with the job just as day care and 3 year old pre-school teachers can be bit and scratched because it is behavior exhibited by children at that age, even if it isn't desired behavior it is in the normal range of behaviors.

I agree that it is time for your district to find alternate placement. Call that IEP meeting. Get your data ducks in a row. Get more testing because you do need data to move a child to a more restrictive environment. Anyone can call an IEP meeting. So, your choice is to either roll the dice and see what a meeting will bring and get it documented that this child is not being successful in the current environment or deal. I wish there were more choices for you if you choose to stay at your school, but that really is it.


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I would not continue working in an environment where I am in physical danger. Perhaps you could talk with the union attorney to see what your options are. I'm sorry you're dealing with this.
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Old 12-06-2019, 03:58 AM
 
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I'm so sorry that you're dealing with such a toxic environment with your admin (what a jerk! ). I'm also sorry that you're getting bit. I hope that things improve for you soon somehow.
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Old 12-06-2019, 07:03 AM
 
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The school needs to purchase forearm bite guards, they are available on Amazon. Every time a staff member is assaulted they need to leave school and go to the doctor.

Good luck.
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Old 12-06-2019, 07:48 AM
 
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A police report should be made. Maybe that would teach your principal to stop being such a little coward. It doesn't matter if the student is low-functioning. At least it would put some pressure on admin.

If no one does anything about this, it's never going to change.
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Old 12-06-2019, 10:02 AM
 
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Nothing will change unless you are brave enough to risk standing up for yourself. It's clear your admin are content to let you continue to suffer the consequences of their inaction. Check your state ed code, then call the police and report each incident. Take workmans comp every single time you are injured. Special Ed teachers are in demand. Don't let them take advantage of you!
I wish you the best.
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The superintendent's remark was totally not appropriate.
I'm surprised the para doesn't quit.
I wish you could find another position. I also feel sorry for anyone who would end up taking your place.
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Old 12-06-2019, 07:38 PM
 
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Filing a policy report is required by Ed. Code in my state and it is a protected action -it your para in the union? Or Para's are Not in the Ca teachers union but they are in the Ca School Employees union and as such they are protected and have representation to prevent such illegal retaliation.

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TITLE 2. ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY EDUCATION [33000 - 64100] ( Title 2 enacted by Stats. 1976, Ch. 1010. )
DIVISION 3. LOCAL ADMINISTRATION [35000 - 45460] ( Division 3 enacted by Stats. 1976, Ch. 1010. )
PART 25. EMPLOYEES [44000 - 45460] ( Part 25 enacted by Stats. 1976, Ch. 1010. )
CHAPTER 1. Employees [44000 - 44114] ( Chapter 1 enacted by Stats. 1976, Ch. 1010. )

ARTICLE 1. General Provisions [44000 - 44020] ( Article 1 enacted by Stats. 1976, Ch. 1010. )

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(a) Whenever any employee of a school district or of the office of a county superintendent of schools is attacked, assaulted, or physically threatened by any pupil, it shall be the duty of the employee, and the duty of any person under whose direction or supervision the employee is employed in the public school system who has knowledge of the incident, to promptly report the incident to the appropriate law enforcement authorities of the county or city in which the incident occurred. Failure to make the report shall be an infraction punishable by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000).

(b) Compliance with school district governing board procedures relating to the reporting of, or facilitation of reporting of, the incidents specified in subdivision (a) shall not exempt a person under a duty to make the report prescribed by subdivision (a) from making the report.

(c) A member of the governing board of a school district, a county superintendent of schools, or an employee of any school district or the office of any county superintendent of schools, shall not directly or indirectly inhibit or impede the making of the report prescribed by subdivision (a) by a person under a duty to make the report. An act to inhibit or impede the making of a report shall be an infraction, and shall be punishable by a fine of not less than five hundred dollars ($500) and not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000).

(d) Neither the governing board of a school district, a member of the governing board, a county superintendent of schools, nor an employee of a school district or of the office of any county superintendent of schools shall impose any sanctions against a person under a duty to make the report prescribed by subdivision (a) for making the report.

(Amended by Stats. 1996, Ch. 17, Sec. 1. Effective January 1, 1997.)

Also Msd2-I think you are way off base here
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I am aghast at those suggesting filing a police report on someone who is cognitively a 3 year old where biting is actually a normal developmental behavior although one we like to put an end to as quickly as possible. I wish those who advocate for police intervention what the judicial system is going to do to "teach" this child not to bite. To me it is just a vindictive action that is done to get back at the parent for daring to have a child who is not "normal".
I have a child who is "not normal", his outbursts and behavior cannot be managed and are not appropriate in a resource (mild/moderate disabilities) room setting, which is the setting this nonverbal-cognitively-3-year-old with violent behavior is in. If he were to injure someone I would call the police myself-that report is proof that he needs more help and support and than what he is getting and need for a that support in serious and immediate. Paperwork and documentation are needed to prove that this is not an appropriate placement for this child. The police report is there to show that he needs to be in a self contain program with an autism specialist, with more support in general and intensive behavioral support and enrichment that is part of the program. The district does want to pay an outside program to provide an appropriate placement where this child can learn to function without resorting to behaviors that are going to cause him to be put in a locked ward when he gets too big to be around safety. I have seen this myself-everyone says "just deal with it, this is part of his disability" and "its not his fault" until the day the child is 14 and is so big and strong that when he bites his teacher-true story-he removed a chunk of her flesh so big that she need surgery to repair it, and he beat his aide so severely that she got a brain injury. What a horrible disservice that this child wasnt helped and put into a more intensive placement before it reached that point.

I assure you the police are not going to refer the student to the criminal justice system. Last year (3rd grade) I had a student who had the police called on her 3 times in the second grade for assaulting her teacher and she was never disciplined by the justice system or even referred to family court or had any charges officially filed. The reports simply served as irrefutable proof that the district was failing in their responsibility to prove the student with adequate support needed for her access an education safely. She got more support and we had decent year in third with massive growth on the part of the student. That was only possible because after multiple police reports the district was forced to show they were "doing something" about it. When I needed something to support that student and I asked for it-I got it.

Also may I just say-it sounds like you shouldn't be judging and denigrating a situation that you dont seem to fully understand.
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Thanks to all of you for the responses. I greatly appreciate it. 90% of the time, it’s straight up temper tantrums. His mom admitted they don’t know how to discipline him, and therefore don’t. I know he doesn’t feel well at times, and that does cause some of his aggressiveness.

A little empathy/sympathy from my admin would go a long way in this situation. Still wouldn’t make it right, but it would help.

I don’t think it’s applicable to compare this situation to a daycare and expecting to be subjected to this behavior. Kids are kicked out of daycare for these behaviors.

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well-thought-out response. Thank you.
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I noticed, Kinderkr4zy, that you didn't include the entire comment I made, "I agree that it is time for your district to find alternate placement. Call that IEP meeting. Get your data ducks in a row. Get more testing because you do need data to move a child to a more restrictive environment. Anyone can call an IEP meeting. So, your choice is to either roll the dice and see what a meeting will bring and get it documented that this child is not being successful in the current environment or deal. I wish there were more choices for you if you choose to stay at your school, but that really is it."

I do not believe this is the right placement for this child and the admin and the district is wrong in this case.

In many cases the PR nightmare will come back and bite the teacher in the behind. In some cases judicial systems are not always as lenient as yours. So as you advocate for police intervention, remember that not every area is the same as yours.

I've seen a school district turn families lives into h-e double toothpicks because the district wasn't willing to place a child appropriately, brought CPS in, brought the law in, etc. Eventually the family had enough money and knowledge to sue the heck out of the district and won, but CPS was completely willing to go along with what the district was saying and the police were also happy to oblige. So, when I hear people advocate for filing police reports, I have a very different perspective than you.
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I had a similar student last year. I had a time out chair with breathing exercises, calming down approaches, an apology routine and we printed out a couple of tpt social stories that were read to him each time there was an outburst. I also had a full time aid and a very supportive principal who would take him out of the room if there was noncompliance to our time out routine. There was improvement with the consistent routine and the last half of the year we had no biting incidents. Hang in there and be the squeaky wheel. We are dealing with these behaviors so much more often
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