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Old 09-11-2011, 04:03 PM
 
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special education teachers.......

We have been in school for 14 days now and our special education teachers have not pick up their students yet. The first week, all of them had the chance to set up their class. For the 2nd and 3rd week, they have been testing and recording scores. This last Friday was spent putting everyone into groups. So hopefully now they can start seeing students.....I hope.


Does this happen in other schools? I can't talk to the "P" about this because she sees nothing wrong with this and says that they will make up the time???? REALLY

All of our special education teachers are great with the students but why does it take 3 weeks before seeing students?

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We started the Tuesday before Labor Day, and used Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday to get organized and do scheduling. Even during those days, I always see my "heavy hitters" and help kids who need it for transitioning back into school.

Even now at my new large district, same start date, and same set up. I have been in full swing since Day 4.

My schedule changes a lot during the school year due to new kids and teachers' schedules changing or projects, assemblies, etc but I am there with my kids.

Three weeks seems extremly excessive.
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I was hired the first day the kids came to school (I missed the first two institute days) and took 2 days to get ready and started seeing kids-but I'm only in buildings half-days so scheduling was easier and most of the work was done for me.

The full-time teachers took a week to get started. One building started from scratch-had no list of kids with IEPs from the year before and had to go through 400 students to find out who had IEP's and read through each of them! It was a nightmare. They needed an extra day or two.

Also, all SpEd teachers in both buildings were new (4 total).

Regardless, it took no more than a week.

My schedule will also change due to assemblies, my meetings, etc. Ex: Kindergarten bus safety was scheduled for my time. I didn't pull them but joined them as an extra pair of hands.
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10 school days
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My building's resource team gets 10 school days. The general ed teachers asked that kids not be pulled the first week of school so they could become familiar with classroom routines and expectations. During this week, special ed teachers spend a lot of time with the "heavy hitters" and assessing any move-in students with IEPs. The second week is spent assessing students with IEPs and forming groups. And then, no later than day 11, students begin coming to the resource room for instruction.
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You are talking about RSP teachers and not self-contained sped teachers. It is just a pet peeve that all sped gets lumped in together. I am self-contained and my room has to be set up for the first day of school since that is when I begin to see students. I know the RSP teacher in my school has at least another week to set up her classroom and, THEN she takes a whole day off per week to test students. She only has 5 more students in her program than I do in my classroom. So, yes, it irritates me to no end. Thanks for listening!


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'Heavy Hitters'...day ONE. One has to be supported almost 24/7.

Tomorrow is Day Four and I start pulling for all groups. I still don't know all of the teacher's schedules (music, PE, library, etc.) even though I've been asking since before school even began. We have a new prince and for some reason, the specialist schedules didn't stay the same, like we were told they would. I've spent hours this weekend getting plans firmed and tweaking schedules for myself and my two IA's. The schedules will most likely change many times between now and Friday. UGH, this is the toughest start since my first year.

Regardless, I am pulling the kids and if the teachers don't want them pulled, they'll tell me, I guess. Can't win!

We don't have a 'set' time, but if you are new to the building, hired late, etc...there is a grace period of an extra few days to a week.

I'm puzzled about all the testing yours are doing. I don't do any extra formal beginning of year testing...that is done before new IEP's or for evals...

What is RSP? Sue, I can understand your frustration. The difference is, the gen ed teachers want the students to feel a part of the class and learn the expectations before being pulled. I know that ideally, that would happen with your kids too... ....our self contained (life skills and behavior) are the same way because the kids cannot handle the gen ed environment for more than small doses. This all being said, the self contained sped teachers here have their IA's do a lot more in the beginning, while they get schedules figured out.

In our building, Title and ELL take several weeks to get going. Same with Speech/Lang and OT/PT.
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We are all in classes for the first couple of days to help with K/1 transition and needs. Our teachers expect students to stay with them for at least two weeks if not three. I have worked with just one student since coming back because she has hard a very hard time moving into a first grade. We start groups this week. Its about the same timeline as last year-four weeks into the school year.
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service minutes are in the IEP
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I teach self-contained and I see my students the minute the walk in to the minute they walk out starting day one.
My comment would be this: The amount of time students see the sped teacher is written into their IEP. I have never seen an IEP stating that services are not given during the first week of school. If daily or weekly minutes are in the IEP it is federal law that they be given or the school could be liable to provide compensatory services. In my district the money for those come out of the school budget and most principals only make that mistake of shrugging off services once.
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Old 09-12-2011, 01:46 PM
 
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...so it happens.

I am the SpEd/Resource teacher at our school. No one is totally self contained here. We started school on Wednesday and I pulled small groups on Friday for orientation and started in Monday for real. The kids stayed in class just Wednesday and Thursday to get to know the classroom, teachers and peers.

I had to do all my scheduling, iep copies, etc. in those first 2 days. It took me two full weeks to get my room ready before school began.
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I"m resource we begin seeing our kids the first week. That said I had a family emergency and didn't go to school the first week. I had a sub...and the gen ed teachers kept my kids for me and I am so thankful to them for being so very flexible during my son's health crisis.


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Generally, the beginning and ending dates are dictated on the profile page of the IEP. If you are not delivering services on the beginning date, to the end date as stated on the IEP, you may be in viloation. Many schools handle this differently. As parents are becoming more educated to special education mandates, it's easy to be a target for being non-compliance.
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Our P likes to micromanage. She insists on setting up the schedules for the resource teachers. (The schedules never make sense). Believe me, the teachers are probably itching to get to the students, but it is out of their hands.
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I do resource for K-3. We started school on a Monday and I had "planned" on seeing kids starting Thursday. With all the schedules and paperwork, that didn't happen. I was in gen ed classes for parts of the day starting on Tuesday. I pulled kids a little bit on Friday morning. Then on Monday we started the regular schedule.

Scheduling is by far the hardest part of the job. It's so hard to work around so many different teachers and grades needs.
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To the PP who said their self contained teachers have the IAs do most of the work in the beginning: how in the heck do they get away with that??? And, a big yahoo to the two PP who pointed out that it states on the IEP that these students are to be given services from the first day right straight to the last day. Our pullout programs, i.e. speech/language and RSP (resource specialist program) start late and end before the last day. How do they do it?
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Thanks for reading and commenting!

First of all, I'm talking about the LD resource teachers. Normally the two LD teachers divide up the students per grade level. The first part of the morning the LD teachers see the IEP students during Intervention times in their own classrooms. Then in the afternoon the LD teachers will pull the same kids for more minutes if needed.

(The LD and reading teachers have just started seeing students this week. We started on Aug. 22nd and of course today is Sept. 13th.)

As for the testing, we use Aimsweb and it is given 3 times a year, Fall, Winter and Spring. The Aimsweb contains four test that the team will give each student. The people who administer the test are the LD teachers, reading teacher and teacher aides. This test is given to all students. This usually takes about 2 - 2 1/2 weeks and then they need to input the scores. The LD and reading teacher input the scores into Aimsweb. Once the scores have been put into the computer the RTI team meets to look over the scores and put the students into groups for interventions. (FYI, these groups do change in the winter and spring.)

YES.....I THINK WE GIVE TO MANY TEST!!!!

Now the team has met and the groups are done, we classroom teachers can now start interventions and LD teachers and reading teachers can start seeing their students. But remember that the 2nd full week of Jan. for 2 weeks we do this all over again and the last 3 week in May ......so that means the LD teacher is done at the beginning of May.!!!!!! How does this make sense?

WE are really over testing our students.

As a regular ed teacher, this drives me nuts. Our speech teacher is upstairs and he sees the students with in the first week. So why can't the LD teachers start seeing their students?????

Again, thanks for listening!
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I didn't say the IAs did "most of the work".

It's the norm here to begin on the 2nd full week. I don't feel lazy or guilty for that and I make up every second of time and much more (although not required) during the year. This year, I was 'asked' to take an additional grade level-which makes six. It takes a great deal of work to get a schedule in place. I cover all of my behavior students completely from day one. I started teaching today, even though schedules aren't yet firm in some classes. Not sure how I would ever pull groups on day one. I hope we all can support each other, as we all have different situations.

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Newspedteach--your posts are really confusing. Are you a resource (pull in) teacher or self-contained? Your post said, "This all being said, the self contained sped teachers here have their IA's do a lot more in the beginning, while they get schedules figured out." If they're self-contained, what schedules do they need to figure out? Gen ed teachers start from day one and have an internal class schedule. So should self-contained sped classes.

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Huh? I've evidently rubbed you the wrong way, Sue. I'm sorry you feel so angry about others ( as you perceive) not doing their jobs. I don't think I've been confusing at all. I'm a special ed teacher who teaches mostly pull out. We are all in different situations. I'm now finished posting on this subject. Have a good year.
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My principal held a meeting last week to 'discuss' why students where they should be. All the SPED teachers are roaring over misplacement. It feels like it was more convient to the counselor to just place the students in corales. Even my contained students are not being given access to their gen. ed. curriculum. If I didn't have a runner, I'd take him and sell my prep until he was given a class. If I have to resort to that, then administation will have to explain why extra duty money is being used. Maybe that'll get their attention. My facilitator has sent him howlers about it too.
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Old 09-15-2011, 04:57 PM
 
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we set up our class rooms the same time reg. ed teachers did. We had 2 days to test our students and frankly, it wasn't enough time. I have 19 kids on my roster to test math, reading, and writing. The reading is one on one so that takes the longest, but we have to score everything.

3-4 days would have been enough time for me. IMO, they should have had the kids by now.

Last year our principal gave us a week to test, score, group, and prepare, but this year we had 2 days.
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I have my kids 60% of the day from day one and I set up my room the same time as regular ed teacher. I am REALLy insulted by this post.
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I am a sped teacher and we try to do our scheduling in the spring for the next year. Of course it never works out and we come over the summer to get it ironed out. Our sp ed teachers start from day one--that is resource, self-contained, and co-teachers.
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