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Old 05-13-2011, 09:15 AM
 
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I don't know if this is a vent, a question or both, lol!

background...I am in a special ed urban classroom and 3rd and 4th grade. This year is our transition year to inclusion (so the P says, I'll believe it when I see it). So I have 4 all day students and 13 students who come in for literacy or math or both. I have scheduled times posted in my room and made posters for the reg ed teacher for their classrooms. I have tried to make the responsibility on the reg ed teacher and the student to come at their scheduled time, but the bottom line is it is on me to make sure the sped student has their minutes each week. I make calls after 10 minutes of them being late, which I hate because that takes away from the students who are on time and ready to learn. UGH!

OK, the issue... I have a student who never comes. I call daily. I've spoken to our Special Ed Liasion (SEL), the P and the reg ed teacher. The reg ed teacher tells me that she sends him and doesn't know where this boy goes. He roams the halls hides etc... The reg ed teacher is highly experienced and tries to be helpful (wanted you to know she is not the problem). She and I phone the mom at least once a week to let her know this and other issues. We called today and she now is saying that we have not servicing his needs. She wants to know why she is not phoned daily about these issues. She says she hasn't seen HW in a few weeks and why I didn't call about that.
As I'm sure you all know, I cannot call parents DAILY! We alternate weekly as it is!!!! Why hasn't she called, spoke about it over the phone or wrote a note asking about HW?? When is the responsibility on her not us?

So...my P said I am only allowed to produce 4 missed IEP classes. I am uncomfortable fudging. He says if there are more the mom can have a law suit.

Thanks for listening. Any thoughts? How can I cover myself on this?


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Fudging documents is illegal. You will be putting your career at stake, right? The kid is in 3 or 4th grade? Why can't someone walk the child to your room? Like a responsible kid in his class? Teamwork means his gen ed teacher should be making sure he gets his services too. You're all in it for the kid. So I would call the mom every single day just like she wants you to for a while.. I know its annoying. Just a quick call "Johnny never came to math today..just wanted to inform you" Maybe she'll get on HIS case, not yours. The fact that he's roaming the halls, aren't there consequences for that? I know I'm not that helpful, but this kid should be going to where he's sent. The P is wrong..he needs to do something.
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If I were mom I would be upset too. This child is roaming the halls daily instead of going to class and nothing is done about it? Obvisouly you know it's an issue so he can't be trusted to walk alone. He needs an escort to your class and I am wondering why this was not arranged after the first or second time he failed to show up. This is a liability for your school. The teacher sends him, you call her because he is not there, and then what...does someone track him down or you just let him walkaround until he shows up?

I know if this was one of my resource students, then I would have arranged for him to have an escort after the first incident.
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I agree with the two posters above me. They really said everything I wanted to say...

I did want to add that it is actually quite routine to pick kids up from their classrooms and walk them back, if needed. I teach K-4 and we pick up all the K-1st when we have them. We start out picking up the 2nd graders and then fade that as they come. If my kids don't come to class, I find out immediately if they are absent or what is going on.

We all know that kids in special ed. classrooms aren't the only ones that play, hide, avoid class along the way. Why this child is not escorted to and from daily is beyond me. If you are by yourself, you send a trusted student. If that isn't possible because of age/ability, etc. of your students, you arrange to have an older student walk them or a peer from their classroom. If you have aide time, this would be a priority and the aide would walk him. There is really no excuse for him to be missing ANY classes if he is present at school.

I have no idea what to tell you, except to clear your schedule as much as possible (do paperwork after school, etc.) and try to make up as much instruction as you possibly can for this child. I really do not blame mom for being angry and wanting a daily phone call. I would want this too. And, we all have those parents that we sometimes need to call, email, or check in with daily. It's part of our job.

I guess I did have something to say after all...


p.s. why is your principal telling you what you can and cannot do regarding the IEP? Your principal is not versed (most aren't, anyway) in sped law, unless he is moonlighting as the sped director. My p wouldn't know the law regarding this and doesn't dictate this part of my job to me. So, be careful following his advice.

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Wow. What a confession. P's not versed on special education law but is a major part of an IEP team. No wonder the system is so messed up. Wait, how many people on the team are actually versed in the REAL law, not just what someone from the school or district told them......

To the OP, falsification of services is ILLEGAL. Shame for even thinking of doing this.


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is that this is only being brought up NOW.

If he has *never* been coming to class, why is it being addressed in May, and not earlier? If this were happening in my school, after a week of a kid not coming, with threats, etc, we'd be making changes...to not get in the situation you're in now.

Good luck, and DONT falsify your records.
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why sign out? No need to be rude/condesending. It wasn't a "confession" at all .


As far as principals being an integral part of the IEP team....we don't have APs, except for our one larger elementary and the HS. Principals don't have time to attend every evaluation and IEP meeting. And, we do things very well, I would say, if reading these boards is any indication of how special education is run across the country. Does YOUR principal know everything about sped laws? That's why we have a sped TEAM and director. WE are the specialists...not him. He is supposed to know the basics, but he does get advice/input from us and we all get advice/input from the director. Doesn't sound "messed up" to me. Are you a special educator? If not, please refrain from your opinions on this board.
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I understand this is illegal which is why i..
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came here for help!

So I'll answer a few questions 1st then tell the so far what has happened. Read here your question may be answered. If not ask again I will get to it.


Yes this has been going on since the beginning of the year. He comes 1-2 times not his required 4 times a week. Not never, sorry if that wasn't clear. And yes, as the mom I'd be pissed too. The mom has asked for safe transport several times. We have a behavioral program based at our school who stated to the mom that is not what their program does. Which FYI is not true because there is another boy, not in my class who they shadow all day, they have been doing this for a few months now, but I keep quiet about it and I don't want to start anything. Anyway, This mom wanted that as well, but was told no. The P also said no to this because there is no one to take him.

Yes, the school police go after him, find him, and then take him to P or VP where he then misses my class because he is there. I document this in my log each time this happens.

Teachers do not pick up kids at our school, again not my rule.

I do not have an aide.

My P never comes to IEP meeting unless it is a high profile kid. In fact my IEP's mtgs are usually me and the parent. Again not my rule. it is how it is done at my school. THEN I have to chase down the P and reg ed teacher for signatures. My P has no clue what he is signing most of the time. He doesn't ask either. I know, I know, but what am I to do? I've told my P I am uncomfortable with this many times and now I just turn a blind eye. A side note, not my kids, but a SPED kids' mom had a fit that his signature was on the IEP when he was not there. He blew her off by saying the teacher told him about the meeting. I really can't go there now.

So now, there is a mtg set up for Friday. This is where I bring the documents. I am only allowed to bring 4 "no shows" and a few others where he showed, and my P has to see them 1st and he said I may have to make changes. I have ALL of my original documents from each day which tell the truth. If there is a legal case I WILL show all REAL documents. I'm not risking my career for anyone.
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And I truly mean it...Sounds like a crappy situation. I'd bring the REAL paperwork, honestly. Can you talk to your union rep about what your P is doing? Maybe that person can give you some feedback...get in touch with your union legal person, etc.

And, FWIW, my principal is rarely in IEP meetings unless its a high-stakes case. We have a sped dept head who heads the meetings, and we will do it if necessary. The meetings involve the parents, special ed teacher, regular ed teacher, and any service providers the student might be seeing...as well as our dept. head. My AP showed once as a translator for a parent (he's fluent in spanish), and my P has been involved in one particularly contensious case. It's standard operating procedure in our district. And, REALLY contensious cases? Our district dept head will come. But that's rare, honestly. We all keep notes, with the understanding that they can be supeonaed....

And, I'm with the one who called out 'notversed'. Unless you're a sped teacher or have REAL insight, get off this board. It's just uncalled for.
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I am a Sp Ed teacher who has been doing this a long time and had similar problems this year. Kids were supposed to come to my class (middle school), never showed up, I use to spend precious time trying to find them and then I just wrote them up. Taking recess away or having silent lunch is a major discipline strategy for most smaller kids, depending on their disability. Another tactic that has been proven to be successful by myself and others is the ticket system. Every time he comes to class, escorted or not, give him a ticket (Walmart- 3.00 for about a thousand on a roll) to write his name on the back and at the end of the week, draw for a small prize (we do snack size candy bars). I promise you, the kids will come running to your class, it's crazy. I even have 8th graders that love it, believe it or not, and had to start it recently because there is only one week left and they do not want to come to my class. Immediate gratification. A plan like this is better then having to be frustrated. Food for thought because I have been there, done that. Sorry for you.


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All I can say is what you probably have been told. Document his abscences and your part of RTI. If your school has cameras, have that as part of your documenting. Surely there would video of his roaming the halls and if he's in other places, staff would have seen him. Naturally if you have enough evidence, then the mom would look rather silly complaining that she never was informed or knew.
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It was sarcasm about princpals not knowing the laws. Most of the people around the table don't know the laws. Why the sensitivity and defensiveness?

However, principals, or their designees, are supposed to be in every IEP meeting. Some schools skirt the law by having a person play dual roles. Heck, some just out and out lie and don't send everyone.

Fact is, many staff in IEP meetings don't know the laws. How can you follow what you don't know? Special education is a good portion of most schools, 15%. For an administrators and teachers to not know the law the school is supposed work under is a shame. How can a teacher write a goal, make sure they suggest the right things if they don't know what the laws mean? They can't, and if only one person at the table knows the laws, they control the process with their "interpretation" whether legal or not. Actually, teachers get themselves in really bad positions by not knowing the law. They get kids put in their rooms unsupported because they don't know what the real LAW requires. They only know what they are told.

What I do know is that there are a lot of illegal things going on in schools across the country when it comes to special ed. If you or your school doesn't participate, I don't understand the defensiveness. I don't understand why you wouldn't want everyone following the laws. If your school does participate in illegal actions, then maybe it is time your school starts to do things right.

I'm never going to sign up for an account on this board. The bullying to get people to have an account is one of the very reasons I won't. The name calling and accusations when someone says something not so popular as a guest is another reason I will never sign up for an account. It is an open board, people can post what they want. Until that time, guest doesn't mean troll, it doesn't mean not teacher. It means someone doesn't have an account that allows posts for people that choose not to sign up for one. Have a problem with that, bring it up with the board owners or moderators.
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1. Report the school to the state.
2. Got above your school to the district and report to the Director of Special Education.
3. Continue to be complicit.

Does the mom know about Wrightslaw and Special Education Lawyers. Does your school provide information to the parents about where to seek help if they disagree? They should.
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I've read your post and your follow up and think you are in a crappy situation.

I would present real documentation to the p before the meeting. Make copies of it and sign it. If he wants to dr. it that's his prerogative. Contact your director of spec ed before the meeting and express your concerns.

I am not sure why his "no show" behavior has been allowed. I understand why you are not able to go get him if you have other students in the room and no aide. There should have been some other way that the child was escorted to your room. Or at least if that was not possible reg. ed teacher should call you when she sends him from room and then you can call office if he doesn't show up in a certain period of time. Why can't a student from regular ed room escort him to your class?

The ball has been dropped here and it's not going to be fun to fix, but I would not falsify documents EVER.

Good luck!
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"In fact my IEP's mtgs are usually me and the parent. Again not my rule. it is how it is done at my school."

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First, I agree with the folks who have said to not falsify and to get someone from the district office in sped involved.

Second, you're going to have to bring up the attendance at your annual IEP meetings. It is illegal for the IEP meetings to be just you and the parent. You must have a district rep and a regular ed teacher as well as any teachers for services the students may receive. For the three-year evaluations, the school psych must be present as well. The IDEA mandates this.
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I guess I never updated about this mtg, sorry. So it was the mom, fiancÚ, SEL, myself, the reg ed teacher and his SRA teacher. I teach SRA but he is not in my group. I never needed to show any docs in the end. It was all discussion only. My P waltzes in towards the end and of course wants a recap. UGH! I put a daily behavior report in place for each teacher to fill out each day. There is a token reward system in place but I di not think the reg Ed teachers uses it properly. I can't enforce it and then she complains he's not behaving! I have 2 weeks and 2 days left. I'm done! I'll do my part and let's just get thru the year.

One note, I invite all to my mtg I can't control who shows up. At an inner city school I'm just glad the parent shows. Many times I'm chasing them down as not to be out of compliance. I don't have any contact with The director of sped so I really can't go to him. My p makes stuff up to him and the director thinks we do all sorts of programs including inclusion. HA! Inner city, it's a mess. I am here for the students who need me and work with what is given.

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What a horrid situation. I understand completely about the difficulty of ensuring that a legal guardian shows up. For the staff? I explain the law and that if the legal guardian wants to take it to district or higher, they can (and have). But, it's on the staff. I'll be there as mandated by the agreed upon invite. Unless the legal guardian excuses a service provider from attending, they'd best be there as a member of the IEP team. Glad your school year is almost out. Sounds like you need a break!
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Poor rural isn't much better.....

I document everything. If there isn't an LEA at the meeting, it is hard to call it an IEP meeting.

This is one of the reasons I strongly feel teachers need the support of unions. There are dozens of times a year I am asked to do something ethically or legally questionable. I don't ever want to lose my job over doing what I feel is the right thing.

If and when I am called on (and it does happen), the P will cave to a lawsuit in two seconds and I will thrown under a bus. If I have documentation (and P has no idea what he is taking about) he doesn't want me anywhere near the situation. It will make him look bad.
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