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Old 02-04-2019, 05:22 PM
 
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So today I'm working middle school and I get this schedule when I come in. I'm the tech teacher but for the off-periods I'm either a one-to-one aide or covering a random class:

Homeroom: Tech teacher's homeroom
1st Period: Phys Ed
2nd Period: Aide
3rd Period: Tech
4th Period: Tech
5th Period: Tech teacher's lunch duty
6th Period: Aide
7th Period: Aide
8th Period: Tech
9th Period: Tech

I take a closer look at the schedule and realize I have no lunch! No one in the office says anything, just hands me this schedule. Later the principal says how much they appreciate my "flexibility." I'm going all day without eating, you're welcome?

Share your similar stories, I'm sure I'm not the only one this happens to!


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Old 02-04-2019, 06:31 PM
 
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They probably didnít realize you didnít get lunch. Our building runs three schedules. When we are short subs, we often have to cover. If the one making the schedule may not realize you didnít get lunch.

For example, last year my planning was during lunch period. If a sub had to cover another grade level that didnít take kids to lunch, theyíd miss time to eat. It wouldnít have been done intentionally.

Definitely ask when lunch is if they give you a schedule to cover again.
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Not quite the same but I sub elementary, and on many days there are only two breaks-recess and lunch. On rainy days, recess is cancelled obviously, and so often I’m in a classroom from 7:45-1:00 with no reprieve. I need to use the bathroom at least once in that time! It’s crazy—at my old school they’d at least send aides around to cover for 5 mins for a bathroom break.

Middle school at least you can usually run to the restroom in between classes!
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Old 02-04-2019, 07:31 PM
 
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Someone messed up on that schedule for sure! But 9 periods plus home room? Yuck! That in itself is a horrible schedule!
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Old 02-04-2019, 08:28 PM
 
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That's insane. And schools wonder why they can't seem to find subs.

Maybe don't ban us for every little thing, pay us more, and don't fill our entire day with classes every period?

Just an idea.

Schools are dysfunctional and unorganized these days.



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Why in the world did you not point that out and just ask when you should take lunch? As others noted, I'm sure that was just overlooked as they were working on covering everything. I've even had a secretary cover for my lunch when there just wasn't anyone available.
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I agree...Ask for lunch!
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Why in the world did you not point that out and just ask when you should take lunch? As others noted, I'm sure that was just overlooked
I agree. By law employers have to give you breaks and lunch. But you need to speak up for yourself and ask for your break if that's been overlooked in the schedule. I've had to do this myself. The staff will always find someone to fill in so you can have your restroom or lunch break.
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Luv2teach2017, I wish you were right about a lunch break being required by law. The sad truth is that most states don't require an employer to provide one!
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclope...yee-29773.html

It's true that most schools do provide a lunch break to employees who are there for the day, and that extends to subs. At the same time, many schools are sneaky. If the sub speaks up, they feel guilty and provide a break, but they hope the sub is too timid to say anything. I've had it happen to me a few times over the years, and I wouldn't be surprised if it happened to you.

Along with this is the issue accepting two half day assignments. Last week, I accepted an afternoon job, but there was an unfilled morning position in a nearby school. I refused to take it. It would have meant dashing out of the morning school, eating a hurried lunch in the car, finding a parking space at the afternoon school, rushing in through a distant door, taking a quick bathroom break, and meeting the afternoon class. I used to do this, but no more.
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Old 02-05-2019, 08:49 AM
 
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Itís saddening to hear your experience. I am learning with subbing this school year is that I have to create boundaries or rules for myself on how I take jobs. It affects how Iím treated. I got burned out from trying to be the perfect sub and was too accessible. People were less concerned about my feelings and put me in subbing jobs that were not straight up honest or fair. Yesterday I added a new rule with not accepting last minute jobs from the office. The situation wasnít right or fair to me. I got hurt rushing to get there, and the teachers did not care about me hearing them complain about the subs called in to help. All in all, donít let yourself be used like a mule.
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Old 02-05-2019, 11:38 AM
 
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All in all, don’t let yourself be used like a mule.
Good advice!

In California, the law requires that you get breaks. But don't expect employers to look after you. You still need to set boundaries and speak up for yourself. Otherwise you will be taken advantage of and abused. That's the bottom line.


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I've been pretty lucky with float days like that. I do them frequently for one particular school (covering IEP meetings and the like) and the secretary there is very good about building in a lunch break.

I have had the lunch duty/cancelled recess thing happen at another school, and I actually tend not to book jobs there without checking the weather now.

The teachers in both of my districts are excellent about covering each other for bathroom breaks, though.
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Earlier this year I took
Old 02-07-2019, 10:27 AM
 
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a half day elementary aide position that lasted three weeks. The first day I was handed a schedule that included no breaks at all between 8:15 and 12:00. I complained and was basically told "tough," so I took matters into my own hands and gave myself a short break during the time I was going from one class to the next such that I consistently showed up a couple of minutes late. For what they're paying me, they can chill.
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Old 02-07-2019, 02:32 PM
 
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Yes, if I am roving that day, I take a restroom break as needed, and they have to wait for me to get to the next place. They know that's just how it is.

One time I subbed for a kindergarten teacher who was pulling students out to assess reading levels. I popped my head out the door and asked if I could quickly visit the restroom when she switched students. She told me NO! She said she had no time to spare. I really had to go, and thankfully I managed to hang on until dismissal. I was STUNNED that she did that, and I have declined every job she's posted ever since.
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The K teacher who refused you a quick bathroom break must have been pretty young. Someday she'll understand that for many older people the urge to go is non negotiable. I would have said, "Sorry to inconvenience you. I'll be back shortly."
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Yes! Very young. Too young to understand that it was very embarrassing for me to ask at all, and even more embarrassing to be refused by a young lady who did not manage to get through her all of her students anyway.
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Old 02-18-2019, 10:03 AM
 
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Definitely ask when lunch is if they give you a schedule to cover again.
You can't go all day without lunch. In my first school we only got lunch 3 days per week. It was awful.
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I have to say, I may have other issues with this job, but I've almost never had a problem getting breaks when I need them. In fact, teachers, IAs, and yard duty staff have been very considerate and made a point of offering me breaks at times when I'm a roving sub, doing recess duty, or there's indoor recess, for example. I seldom even have to ask.

There was only one time when a particularly grumpy IA took off and left me hanging with a class of kinders to watch and without any restroom break. But as soon as she showed up again during their recess, I simply told her I was going to the restroom and left!

It's NOT an option. You need reasonable opportunities for restroom breaks and (if it's a full day) a lunch break. You shouldn't have to beg. But if needed, be a little more assertive.
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Incidents versus conditions...
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I agree with those who've said, "Speak up!" When the principal expressed appreciation, that was a great opportunity to say, "Thank you but I'd really appreciate it if on days like this we could...."

I just wanted to stir in the point that there's a difference between an incident and a condition. An occasional blip or glitch in scheduling is an incident--perhaps unfortunate, but readily forgiven.

There's an old saying "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." While I don't automatically assume I'm being taken advantage of, I do think there are going to be times when (for whatever reason) stuff like this happens. How frequently it happens is an important consideration... If we're not willing to allow the district to make an occasional mistake, we'd better not make any either.
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Old 02-19-2019, 04:09 PM
 
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Sprite, why did you only get lunch 3 days a week?
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MaineSub, I definitely should have said something then but I'm almost certain it wasn't an accident so I'm hesitant to. The principal seemed to be acknowledging that they knew I didn't have a lunch. This was the first time this happened to me at this school, but I've heard other subs say they've had to go all day without lunch before. I was talking to someone that day who said a huge number of teachers and aides were out which confirms my suspicions.

Of course, I shouldn't have to go hungry all day because they can't get enough subs to work in the district.
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Old 02-20-2019, 03:32 AM
 
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845ny... so it does sound like this was an exception and that's great. It's even better that you were acknowledged and got credit for it. That's the sort of stuff that means you get called more often (if the system works that way). I often get called for half-days and some specific jobs because no one else wants them. At some point I usually remind the Sub Coordinator, "I don't mind taking theses but occasionally it would be nice to get one of the nice ones--can you throw me some bones?" And she always does. It's mostly about making sure the accommodation goes both ways.
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Old 02-22-2019, 05:28 AM
 
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Umm so why not point this out to them? You are a human being, they just expect you to go on and on without lunch?
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I would've took my lunch break
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No way would I have let them getaway with not giving me a lunch break. I would've took my lunch at 5th period. And I would've told them I thought that was my lunch time, and that it meant "It's the teacher's duty to take a lunch break", lol.
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Everyone needs a lunch break...
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Back when I worked in a corporate job and had a decent salary and full benefits package, I worked through lunch many times since the workload was such that it was either that, or stay late. However, it was my choice and no-one told me I had to work through lunch.

Once when I was handed a schedule like yours at a school, I called the office and pointed out that there was no lunch break, and what time should I take it. It is the law in this state to get a 30-minute meal break if you have to work 7 hours or more. I was surprised to see how many states do not have a law regarding lunch breaks. I'm curious if anyone has worked in these states and been told they could not have a lunch break in a 7 or 8 hour day... I can see if there is an emergency, of course, or some urgent deadline but to just not bother giving employees a lunch break seems ridiculous.
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