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Old 11-17-2013, 06:00 AM
 
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Hi you amazing wonderful BRAVE kinder teachers out there. I was wondering of you'd be so kind as to tell me how many students you have, your district size (just small, medium or large) and if you had a para or not. We have what I think is a ridiculously high number of kinders and I'm curious where we fall.

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Old 11-17-2013, 07:02 AM
 
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Last 4 years:
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large district, no required para or aide for class size. I have para for 4 iep'd students in my class. All grades get aide for 1 hr per day, kinder gets one for 2 hrs - just because we have a great principal and we get them at the end of the day. I think our kinder class sizes are too big!
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Old 11-17-2013, 07:54 AM
 
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Small district and 22 in all K...no PARA specific for K, just severe needs students. 20 or higher is too high for K...yes, it can be done (and I think many will post such numbers), but it is taking away from student achievement and not appropriate developmental learning for this age group.
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21- 23 children in a large district. I do have a full time para. Not all the elementary schools in my district do however. We have 11 elementary schools.
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Old 11-17-2013, 12:16 PM
 
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22-23 students...no Para


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Old 11-17-2013, 12:29 PM
 
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I don't teach kindergarten, but I am in the same hall as they are. Their classes have 18-20 students I believe. There are no aides in kindergarten with the exception of one class that has some special ed students in it. A special ed. aide is in there for part of the day. Our district has about 26 elementary schools. Is that a small or medium district?
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Old 11-17-2013, 01:57 PM
 
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I have 26 students. No aide. School is 8:15-3:40 with a 30 min lunch and 40 min prep time. Long day.
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Old 11-17-2013, 03:47 PM
 
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Our state limits K to 18 students. We do not have any assistants. There are 15 elementary schools in our district- 8 classes of K in my school.
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Old 11-17-2013, 04:44 PM
 
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We are a small district. Our kindergarten classes average 25 students with limited aide time. We are an all day, every day program.
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Old 11-17-2013, 05:14 PM
 
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Small, public school district - one elementary building with 3 sections of each grade level

I only have 15 kids this year, but I usually have 18-19. I had 22 last year.

I do not have an aide, but I do have 3 adults (2 - title 1 reading aides and 1 Americorp worker) that come to my room for our 30 minute guided reading time. We each take 1-2 reading groups which allows every group to meet with a teacher everyday for 30 minutes. It is great! The rest of the day I am on my own.


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Old 11-17-2013, 06:03 PM
 
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I'm in a public charter. 20 students (teachers do have the option to take one more student for minimal extra pay), no aide but a "teacher tutor" that is shared between our 5 kinder classes for RTI purposes. The rest of the district (medium sized) is at 28 for kindy I think. They tried to up class sizes last year and it was thankfully voted down!
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Old 11-17-2013, 06:07 PM
 
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I have 29 students, the cap is 33. We are in a medium sized district, but the largest in our area.
It is a half-day kinder, I teach PM so I have my students from 10:30-2:10. An aide is in the classroom for an hour and a half. Most of the students are English learners.
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Old 11-17-2013, 07:35 PM
 
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Wow.
I am a preschool teacher. We work with 12 children above 2 years old. I always thought that that was a lot especially to work with 2 year olds. It is crazy to think, that children have preschool classes of 12 students and then they go to Kindergarden and share one teacher with over 20 children. I cannot even imagine what those children who stay at home until Kindergarden have to think when they start first day of school.
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Old 11-17-2013, 08:26 PM
 
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24 is the cap, but I don't remember the last year I actually had 24. It's usually between 25-28. We have a full-time assistant. Overcap gives us the option for extra pay or an extra assistant.
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Old 11-18-2013, 03:22 PM
 
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We have half day K (morning and afternoon) with classes averaging 23-26, so each teacher has 45-50 or so kids total. Each K teacher has a full time assistant and one 30 minute resource (library) each week. The paperwork for that many kids is out of this world.
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Old 11-18-2013, 05:24 PM
 
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We have about 60 elementary schools. Kindergarten classes are supposed to cap at 21. I have 21 students. Some teachers have a few more, some a few less. All kindergartgen classes have a fulltime aide.
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Old 11-19-2013, 03:57 PM
 
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I have 19 in an all day program. I have had 30 in my early years in the half day program. More than 20 is ridiculous.
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Old 11-21-2013, 08:35 PM
 
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22 any time an elementary teacher has more than 20 students she is assigned a half day para.
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Old 11-21-2013, 08:45 PM
 
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I'm in a big district and I have 22 this year which is the cap for K. There is a boy with special needs in my class who has a support worker assigned to him for about two thirds of the day. There are 3 different support workers who share the load and they support the other kids and me as much as they're able but they're in and out so much, they're sometimes more of a distraction than a support.

Last year, I had 16 which is the optimum number for K. 18 is doable. 20 is just bearable. 22 is too many. Those of you who have 24-30 in your classes have my commiseration.
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Old 11-23-2013, 02:50 PM
 
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I have 26 this year in full day kindergarten. Usually we have numbers in the low 20s. Two years ago I had 30 but did get a para for 1/2 day everyday. We also had a terrible run with lice. Simply awful with all those little heads bumping together because there were so many of them!

We have three kinder classes in our building this year. Two of the classes had 27 and I had 26. We were told that all three of us had to have 27 in order to each get 1/2 day paras! WHAT???? Why should the fact that I have 1 less keep the other two teacher from getting help? Ridiculous. Turns out the other two teachers each lost a student so we're all at 26 now.

We are a title 1 school and were able to hire a 1/2 day literacy intervention teacher. She works mostly with kinder kiddos. She takes two of my lowest out in the hall individually everyday for about 10-15 minutes to work on letter ID and then takes five kids in a small group everyday to work on CAP, letter id, sounds, blending, writing, shared reading... LOVE that! I don't have to plan for her and she's fantastic! She's a real teacher!

Someone else has a post on this board about issues with her para being so negative and worthless. When you have a large class (well, any size class!), you have enough to do to plan and organize and differentiate...then planning for a para who, it seems more often than not, has no idea what to do with five-year-olds????? Just leave me alone with the kids!

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Old 11-23-2013, 03:10 PM
 
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I'm in a very large district. I fluctuate between 17-18 on my roster as does my co-teacher. We share an aide with three other classrooms. 36 kids in a class is just... a lot, even with 2-3 adults in the room.
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Old 11-24-2013, 10:36 AM
 
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21 schools.

I have 19 students, FT aide. 18-25 is the norm for our district.
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I have 24 students 16 boys and 8 girls. I have an assistant for around 90 minutes a day. No duty lunch for 30 minutes and our planning time when we get it is 30 minutes a day. We are a small district and I know some of our schools have just 15 in K.
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Old 12-16-2013, 08:44 PM
 
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I have 25 kids (Full day), 18 boys (!) and 7 girls.

I've had 25 or 26 kids the last 4 years.
5 years ago I had 27.

I've never had an aide.

This year's class is taking its toll on me. It would be so much more do-able with 20!

Forgot to say, medium district.
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Old 12-16-2013, 10:21 PM
 
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Last year, we had 5 kindergarten teachers and we all had 34 students at a time. One of the teachers had a transitional K and K class combination (the 4 year olds and the five year olds). I don't know how to tell you how large our district is, but our school had about 900 K-5th grade. We taught 1/2 day K. In theory, the AM teacher was supposed to get help from the PM teacher for 40 minutes a day, and the reverse in the afternoon. We overlapped at least 40 minutes a day, so that meant 68 kids in one classroom. Because of a change in our professional development, we had to change our schedules on Tuesdays and Fridays. On those days, we overlapped almost 2 hours, and because of the schedule, we couldn't help each other. So we got help 3 days a week for 40 minutes. Whoopee! Let's just say it was a GIANT DISASTER!! Those kiddos, now first graders, all have 33 students in a room. One fewer doesn't make a whole lot of difference. It is the worst thing I have ever experienced in my district, but they claim there isn't any money. Those students have gotten a blunt deal. There are 4 teachers with children of their own who are in that age range. Potentially, they could have been students at our school. All 4 of those teachers paid for private school where their children were in a class no larger than 18.

This year, I am not teaching K, but I researched ideas from surrounding school districts with my P and we figured out an alternative to suffering through the year with humungous class sizes. Our school still has 5 teachers. They all still have 34 students. We finally had empty classrooms on campus because of increased class sizes/declining enrollment in the 3-5th grades, so no one shares a room. We split the classes into early birds/late birds. The teachers don't get any assistance from anyone, but because the new schedule didn't allow for the required prep time in our contract, the students do get to go to PE or music this year. Now they can teach their language arts block to only 17 students at a time. They have all 34 for math and things like computer lab and library (all overseen by the classroom teacher) and then the prep periods like PE or music. Every time I ask them how they like it, they give me mixed reviews. I don't know if they will vote to keep the schedule the same this year, or if they will go back to the "old way" next year. Our union is in negotiations this year, and reducing class sizes for K-2 is the first thing on their list, but they haven't made any headway. I'm hoping the government will return to giving reward $ for schools with class size reduction like they did for NCLB.
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Old 12-30-2013, 06:46 PM
 
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27 students small district shared aide who services low students with a 1/2 an hour a day pull out
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