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Old 04-23-2019, 12:41 PM
 
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I am one of several SPED teachers where I work. One of the others is seriously annoying me. She gets frustrated because she believes classroom teachers “do not differentiate enough.” She also thinks the classroom teachers are just impatient, overly emotional, and unaccommodating. I disagree. I find that most of our teachers try their best to accommodate and celebrate success. They have 6 billion things on their plate along with kids who are totally lost in their classrooms. Of course they’re stressed. It’s our job to give support. This colleague also believes the classroom teachers are the ones who should be providing 100% of the instructional materials with only a little push in time for us to “help.” She also frequently “forgets” her groups, prioritizes paperwork and testing over seeing kids, and takes insanely long lunches (around 2 hours). Annoying AF.


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That is really sweet and considerate of you to think about classroom teachers! I know we can sometimes appear to be emotional or impatient, but it does get overwhelming trying to teach a "rigorous" lesson with students who are on level, below level but not identified as sped, behavioral, apathetic, gifted, and all new to the standard. I put quotes around rigorous, because I know in my state, the standards are too high and we are always told to stop providing baby work, but asked to baby the students. I have an aid this year who has reported me for not modifying the work enough. The district I am in does not have a life skills class, so several of my classes have students who are life skills or very low academically and it gets overwhelming walking around the classroom helping those who need a little help, those who can't behave, those who are levels behind, and then those who need a lot of help. We may sometimes appear that we do not care, but we do. I sometimes just feel at a loss of what to do and remember, we have to focus on those scores...
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Two. Hour. Lunches. I wouldn't listen to a word this woman says.

There is always some tension between classroom and SPED teachers - but usually it's healthy tension! I appreciate the SPED teachers for monitoring the kids and helping me keep track of the six IEPs in the room. They also help me with the 1 kid who is not identified, but should be. They usually help with modifying classwork, helping control behavior during lessons, and working one-on-one with kids. I need my SPED teacher!!

We have disagreements sometimes. I sometimes feel like the SPED teacher forgets that in addition to my IEP kids, I have 13 other kids I am also responsible for. But we don't tear each other down. We disagree and work through it -- usually during the 20 minutes we scramble for lunch.

Two hours. Really??
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Old 04-23-2019, 04:08 PM
 
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That is so interesting that she thinks this way. I wonder how she developed that unhealthy perspective.

OTOH, I have worked with some really good sped ed teachers just like you who believe it’s a give and take, we support each other program.

And two hour lunch? How is that even contractually possible?????????
Maybe she could use some of that time giving some help to the gen ed teachers.
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2 hour lunches? You are kidding me? right? How much can she eat? Is she on an accommodations herself??
How did she get this cozy cushy job? I repeat, 2 hour lunches??? This is hard to believe, really-mouth wide open.


First of all, regular teachers don't get 2 hour lunches. Let's begin with that.
Second, I don't get just one special ed kid in my class. I've gotten up to 15 kids in EACH ONE of them plus my regular kids and since I am not a core subject teacher, I don't get the extra help from sped. The help in only for the important teachers.
Third, modifications and accommodations is her area of expertise. Why on earth would she take a job, she obviously doesn't want to do.

OK, I am done!

Nope, not done. 2 hours lunch-let that sink in!


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I used to work with a woman like that. She came from an affluent district where she was able to do push-in services and kids made good progress. Our students are pretty high needs and we have large caseloads. Pull out is really the only thing that's feasible.

She didn't want to teach pull out groups and frankly didn't really know how to either (yes, I tried to help and she refused to listen to anything I said because I teach K-3 and "little kids are different.") She was always blaming her students' lack of progress on the classroom teachers. I've been a classroom teacher and repeatedly told her it's not that realistic for the teacher to be able to do that much for one student when they have a class of 25 kids.

I believe she would have been non-renewed, but she ended up leaving our school to move out of state anyway. She repeatedly made snide comments to me about my job being easier working with primary students and that being the only reason it "looked like my kids were growing more." She got a 2nd-3rd grade job and I would love to have some way to know how that's really going for her!

As for the two hour lunches, other specialists at my school frequently pull that nonsense. The intervention teachers, who P thinks walk on water, have a full schedule for maybe 2 months out of the year. My SLP teammate, who on a personal level I get along with amazingly, does the same thing. I honestly don't know if P really doesn't realize or simply doesn't care- old P never did either. If I have "holes" in my schedule, I figure out how to get kids extra time or spread out my kids to make groups smaller. I would never even consider just having free time above what any other teacher gets for lunch/planning. I'm too much of a rule follower!
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Loving all these responses. Today she got SO annoyed that the classroom teacher hadn’t provided a copy of the notes to the SPED kids before the lesson. Ok, not the best scenario, but why on earth can’t YOU scribe the notes in class during note taking time for the SPED kids? Or, if teacher already had a copy of notes she wanted to use for reference, why couldn’t you have just grabbed that real quick and made a copy?! Do you have to be annoyed by this or can you simply understand that teachers have a Herculean number of tasks in front of them daily, and pull a little of your own weight to help out?!
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Old 04-23-2019, 08:27 PM
 
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The 2 hour lunches made me. I used to work in a district where 2 hour lunches were actually common among admin, special ed teachers, coaches, interventionists, etc. I would take my students to specials and see these people in the cafeteria and return an hour later and they would still be in the cafeteria eating, talking, and lounging. This school was in SC and we had fish fries on Fridays (don't ask. lol) and even the bus drivers would also come and sit and eat. On other days, they would order takeout, cookout on grills.

Meanwhile, classroom teachers would have 10 mins. if that to eat. Then, this group of admin, special ed, etc. teachers would complain about low morale and classroom teachers not doing enough for the students. smh.
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Old 04-24-2019, 07:41 AM
 
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I just want a lunch time! I'm a sped teacher that co-teaches and most days I have 15 minutes for lunch. An hour would be a treat! 2 hours would be a fantasy!

My team teachers are amazing each in their own way. I had a difference with one last year over a behavioral issue that I handled for a student that isn't on and IEP. She didn't like the way I handled the situation and confronted me about it saying that I needed to take care of "my kids" only and she would handle the rest. I agreed, just so she could see how much I do when she is teaching. It was a mess for a month. The gen ed kids were struggling with behaviors and I let her handle them. We met with each other and she told me she realized that I took care of behaviors so she could teach. I told her I was sorry I handled the situation like I did. It wasn't the same after that, but we did continue to be a team for the kids.

Your colleague seems to have a bad taste in her mouth for some reason. I hope she figures it out and I hope admin can help her see that she is not being as productive for students as she can possibly be.
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