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Old 08-12-2018, 03:32 PM
 
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I taught many years at third grade and cursive was a big part of our curriculum. I have recently discovered that most of the local schools no longer teach cursive (under the not tested, don't teach philosophy).

Is this true in other parts of the the U.S?


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I teach in a Catholic school and we still teach it and probably always will. As a matter of fact, the students who take the entrance exam for Catholic high school must write their essay in cursive. I read an article that said some public schools in my area are bringing it back after not teaching it for years.
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we are in a Catholic school. The public schools here do not.
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Old 08-12-2018, 03:39 PM
 
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Our third grade still teaches it but has cut way back on the amount of time they spend with it. I teach 4th grade and don't require kids to use it now because of that, but I still write in it for myself as my preference, and sometimes for my morning meeting message to see who can read it.
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Old 08-12-2018, 03:39 PM
 
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Some states are now mandating the teaching of cursive. At least that is the case in my home state of Illinois.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/ct-cur...109-story.html


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Old 08-12-2018, 03:44 PM
 
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When I was last teaching 4th grade in 2009, cursive was not a part of the curriculum at any grade, and the 3rd grade teacher did not teach it. I made a point to teach all my 4th graders.
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Old 08-12-2018, 03:51 PM
 
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Our third grade teachers no longer teach cursive. I live in MD.
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I'm in CO and it's not taught because it's no longer a standard. Last year in a MTSS meeting, we brought up the possibility of doing small group cursive lessons for a group of kids with fine motor issues (it's supposedly easier on them due to not having to constantly pick up/put down the pencil). We asked our OT about it and she didn't recommend it because she says it needs to be constantly reinforced for the kids to learn it.

When I was in school, it was taught in 2nd grade and we were required to use it all through 3rd grade. In 4th grade, we were allowed to go back to print if we wanted and I never went wrote in cursive again. I don't remember how to make all of the letters. My senior year of HS, my mom realized I was writing my signature wrong and made me learn how to do my name completely correctly in cursive. She said I wouldn't get into college otherwise . So I can do my name, but not much else. I can still read it (slowly).
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I am amazed at how many teenagers come in to the Credit Union to open an account. And don't know how to sign their name. The public schools here aren't stressing penmanship. I retired from Catholic school. We started cursive in second grade.
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Old 08-12-2018, 04:24 PM
 
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Our students "learn" it, but I think the big difference is that back in the day we were required to use it forever after.


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Iím new to teaching 3rd grade and asked my P. She said we donít have time in 3rd (first year of state reading and math tests) but the 4th grade teachers touch on it, mostly through homework. Then a month or so later a teammate mentioned that weíre a ďno homeworkĒ campus. So maybe itís given as optional work. I also went to a district writing training that said 3rd will need to start teaching it because the TEKS are changing. I went ahead and put up a print & a cursive alphabet on the wall.
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Cursive isn't taught in my district either. I understand that it's not one of the standards but I thinks it's still an important life skill. Some things still require an actual signature. On another note I was astonished when my adult daughter said she doesn't know how to tell time on an analog clock.
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I taught 3rd for many years. Cursive was once a part of our curriculum, then faded because it seemed we needed extra instructional time for math and reading. Over the last 3-4 years I see it coming back.
One thing our district 3rd grade teachers noticed was while we worked hard teaching it, the support wasn't there in the grades after 3rd. When we brought that up in multi grade meetings, we were told other teachers didn't want to fight a battle over using only cursive with their students.
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Old 08-12-2018, 04:39 PM
 
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I never have taught it, but this year it is state mandated (IL) which I think is a good thing. I don't really care if they write in cursive, but many of my students can't read cursive and I think that's a problem.
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Old 08-12-2018, 05:01 PM
 
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Itís part of the curriculum in NC again.
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It is now a mandated requirement in La.
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Old 08-12-2018, 05:07 PM
 
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Not sure about the status in NC. Seems like it changed from year to year for awhile.

I think that for many kids who strugggle with printing, cursive is a lifesaver. They donít have to pick their pencils up to attach lines and curves and is sometimes easier than manuscript.
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Old 08-12-2018, 05:21 PM
 
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I didn't teach cursive in 4th and don't think they did in 3rd. I think it was up to teachers because it wasn't part of the curriculum at any grade in my district [PA]. I think it is a disservice to students to not expose them to cursive.

One of our counselers told us how she had to go in and help calm down students when they were expected to write in cursive for a small part of a test. The students didn't know how.

I would like to see cursive writing as part of the curriculum in 3rd/4th grade.
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Old 08-12-2018, 05:36 PM
 
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We taught cursive in third grade up until a couple of years ago. I really missed teaching it as it was kind of a rite of passage. Last year they decided to teach it again. I do agree with PP that said the upper grades 5 & 6 didn't really care what the kids did. I loved teaching cursive. I do feel lots of sped kids wrote better in cursive.
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Old 08-12-2018, 05:40 PM
 
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It was gone from the curriculum for a long time, but it is back now.

My 8th graders say they canít read it, but when I write in cursive they figure it out. I have several cursive activities in my early finisher activities.
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It's not part of the curriculum so it's not considered a skill that is taught, but I taught it and so did most third/fourth grade teachers I know. It's a fun "filler activity" for a little break or some seatwork. It gave us a way to vary repetitive tasks like practicing a tough spelling word. It was a brain friendly activity. The kids love it. Why wouldn't you teach it?

Don't assume that because it's not part of the standards that it's not being taught.
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Our district teaches it but then does not require that it be used.

We didn't get it from just the practice pages. We got it because by 4th grade it was required that we use it all the time.

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I found that if they didn't learn cursive, they couldn't read any of the fancy fonts. Like signs and menus. Especially if they received a note.
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It is back in the MO curriculum too.
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Old 08-13-2018, 02:57 AM
 
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We (are supposed to) teach it, but not like we used to. When I taught 4th grade a few years back, I realized 3rd grade wasnít teaching it at all because my 4th graders couldnít read it when I wrote it on the board. So, we spent a few weeks learning it. They really enjoyed it, actually.
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Another vote for ďits not tested, not a standard, so we donít teach itĒ

I teach 3rd and I DO still teach cursive, however I need to squeeze it in. Finding the time is not easy.

I teach it for the same reasons that PPs have said: itís a need for a signature, to read, a rite of passage, etc... Iíve found that my students do like it. Also many try to write in cursive and do it incorrectly - so Iíd rather teach them the correct way.

We use the Wilsonís Fundations cursive component.
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Yes, I taught it in second grade. We started after Christmas and did about 20 minutes of practice daily. After all letters were done, Iíd have the kids writing their names and doing spelling work - or anything short - in cursive. I didnít generally stop them from writing in cursive but didnít require it either. It was considered an ďintroduction,Ē because third grade was supppsed to really teach it and require usage. Found out last Spring no one has taught it in third for years.

Itís now mandated in IL, so I suppose that will change. I never minded teaching cursive. I honestly enjoyed the break from high powered curriculum, the kids were super excited, and it didnít take much of my day. It was actually a perfect activity for those little gaps between activities or special electives.
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Like PP it is now back to be being required in my state.

I have a lot of middle school students who can't read cursive or sign their name in cursive.

My Dad, who was in banking, would be horrified at that.

Swear to Gosh, I actually had a couple of students whose parents taught them cursive and they asked ME if I could read cursive.

Yes! It was a rite of passage in my Catholic grade school back in the day. And we were required to keep using it.
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Our public school has a Handwriting Block built into the day for grades K-6. It progresses from basic handwriting, to cursive, and then it becomes keyboarding by grade 3 or 4.
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It was added to our standards. I don't think much emphasis is put on it, but teachers try to teach some in third grade.
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Our 3rd grade teachers do it, but more as a "filler" than a graded subject. Most of the kids do seem to enjoy it, though, and are proud to show me their "best ___" (whatever letter) on the practice pages.

I don't think anybody reinforces it in later grades, however, so the kids lose it after a while. My own son can sign his name, but struggles to read cursive with any speed. - I really need to remember to write more notes that way to have him practice!
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Third grade teachers used to teach it. Some still do. It wasn't something that administrators cared about.

From there, some fourth and fifth grade teachers gave it some class time.

I was the lone wolf sixth grade teacher who re-taught it and required it. OPs are correct. If it's not required, Ss will go back to what's easy- print from years of practice.

OP also mentioned talking to an OT about fine motor skills. It's very true that once you MAKE yourself use cursive, it's much easier on the hand and forearm.

I noticed, too, that my Ss essays had better flow after the first few months of the year. My instinct was that there was a mind-body connection between the movement and the thought processes. There is now a narrow body of research supporting that idea.

To help parents and students understand why I require it, I emphasize a few things:
1. ergonomics
2. cursive signature for voting/applications (CA requires signature for absentee ballots.)
3. presentation- People are impressed by cursive over print.
4. reading historic documents

Later, I might present the idea of improved writing skills.

But- I'm still a bit of a lone wolf with this. Some colleagues have started doing it, too, when they saw the results with my students.
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