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Old 07-24-2013, 05:52 PM
 
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I got my MAT and 2 NJ certs last May. I have sent out so many resumes last year and this year and have gotten 0 interviews. I absolutely refuse to sub in the fall. I hate subbing with a passion (bad experiences with an outsourcing company).

If I dont get a job within the next month, I am giving up on being a teacher. Does anyone else feel this way?


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Of course. I'm even starting on certain companies' CALL CENTER job applications. In Albuquerque for example, T-Mobile pays its Call Center or Tech Support reps more than the Albuquerque Public Schools pays its Substitutes (per hour.) And with the schools that's probably their idea of "combat pay." I figure with Call Center work the abuse you'd take is only in ONE EAR. And they're not abusing you because of what you look like - it's a telephone job.
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I have a job, but I was on the other end. I subbed for a bit. I have to say, a lot of people are here are just lying. "You will get a job", "There is a job for you", ect. No, there's not. Especially if you sub for too long. Principals look at that as a red flag. There are mile long lines for jobs in almost all states. College keep turning out more and more teachers. Then, you have the candidates who know or are related to someone. You will NOT get a job over a relative or someone who student taught at the school. If you've been subbing more than two years, you will not be hired. You are deemed damaged goods. It's an imperfect world. They look at how you're dressed, your weight, your hair, your age. A 22 year old isn't taking meds. The district don't want to pay for some fat person who could have diabetes. They won't tell you that.

I will tell you, though, if you have to go into the private sector, I will it is less stress. I know I've spent money, used time out of work, and gotten stress I would not have gotten in a nonteaching job.
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But the private sector frowns on Substitute Teachers trying to change careers, too, especially in this day and age of ultra-competitiveness for every little thing. The longer you've been a public school teacher a.k.a. government employee, the more scorn the private sector will have for you as well. And this is also especially if you're a minority which - also - no one will admit flat out.

Another thing, about the being old and "taking meds" part - most private sector jobs in the kinds of fields we teachers would otherwise qualify for, do stringent drug testing whereby all of our heart medications will tend to show up and disqualify us. You can explain till you're blue in the face that those are your prescriptions for your blood pressure/diabetes/whatever but then the private sector doesn't want anyone who's "that sick" either. (I've heard that Amoxicillin shows up as Cocaine on some Drug Tests. I kid you not.)

I guess I have to constantly remind myself that most people on these online teacher chat boards aren't minorities and certainly not Native American but as a minority, private sector jobs are almost out of the question. All of the "good ol' boys' network" and the "knowing someone" stuff - the "someone" you have to "know" is usually White and as such is only going to "schmooze" someone "in" if they're the same color. Again, something people rarely admit to flat-out.
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dont listen to them!!
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If you truly want to give up on teaching, then do so.

The teaching job market sucks. I know. I was a full-time, every day sub for 5 years. I got my masters and teaching credential (with extra authorizations), 4 years ago.
I did get my job from "who I knew", but it was from my subbing. I proved myself as a competent, well-liked, professional who was a good fit at a certain school.
I moved to this state 6 years ago. I knew no one. I had to build relationships; they weren't old friendships. In my years of applying, I had 4 interviews. That's it.

Good luck.


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Rejection is HARD
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It is hard not to take not getting a job personal. I feel like I am always the interviewee and never the hired.
I have wanted to quit so many times - but I LOVE teaching and it makes me happy - so I find ways to make subbing not so terrible. I try to have faith that I will find the perfect job and that there is a reason why some (sorry if I offend) snot nosed kid who has very little experience is hired or worse yet a Teach for America teacher who has even less experience.
I continue on because of my love for teaching.
Try to stay positive.
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I am sorry you are feeling this way. The job search can be very discouraging. I don't know how long you have been subbing or what your areas of certification are, but I do know it is a very tough job market. Special education seems to be the one area where it is a little better. Very few folks are able to get a job right out of college.

You may just be frustrated and venting. Or you may really be at the end of your rope and at a turning point. You have to decide how much you want to teach. Yes, it sucks not to have interviews. But there are hundreds if not thousands of applicants for each opening. If you are not subbing this year, what will you consider doing? If you have a paid position somewhere else, consider volunteering or doing something to stay connected to education and kids (tutoring, camps, etc.)

I will tell you that at my school, we have hired subs and most of them had subbed for more than a year. We knew them, knew their personalities, etc. and knew they'd be a good fit. It's a good way to get known. Maybe sub in different districts? Do you have a relationship with any of the principals or teachers where you subbed? Would it help to ask for their honest feedback? I'm not saying this is the case, but perhaps there is something you are doing / not doing that you need to know about. Example: I had a ST several years ago, who was just not knowledgeable enough about teaching reading. I advised her to sub and gain experience in literacy. I suggested books to read, etc. She eventually was hired somewhere else, but it took 4 years.

Reflect on why you want to teach and how you would feel not teaching. Don't give up too soon unless you are certain it's the best thing for you.

Best of luck.
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I don't agree 100% with that Oliveface said. Yes, it is hard to get a job in teaching. But, it is not impossible. There are jobs, but you have to fight for them. I am from NJ too and just landed a full time teaching position in a district where I know no one. The past year I worked in a part-time position and that is what helped me land my new position. Did I consider myself lucky? Yes. But... I was persistent and showcased my strengths.

Here are some tips that may help you:
- Would you consider a part-time teaching job? These are harder to fill because many people simply can't afford it or they don't offer benefits. It is also a great foot in the door.

- What are you certified to teach? In NJ, it seems like everyone has an Elementary certification. So, you'll practically never find a job in that area UNLESS you have something special like a Bilingual cert. or Reading Specialist cert. No, Special Ed. won't really help you either in an Elementary setting. It seems like too many teachers have that as well. Be careful about what you become certified in. I became certified in Middle School Math thinking it would help me, but I was wrong. Do your research. See what types of jobs are hard to fill. My guess would be High School Math & Science.

- Have you tried emailing principals for schools that you are interested in? 5 out of the 6 interviews that I landed this summer were due to my persistence. I emailed the principals personally and tailored my cover letter to best fit the needs of their school.

- Subbing... I know you had issues with a particular outsourcing company. I could guess which one it is... I subbed for them too. No issues, but rarely got a sub job. Work in a district that doesn't use that company (and yes there are schools like that). At the same time, make sure it's a district that hires their subs when a position opens.

If you really truly want to teach, keep trying. I wanted to give up many times, but my passion for teaching kept me going.
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I too am frustrated, disappointed, saddened, etc by the job hunt!! I don't know what your personal situation is, but mine makes subbing complicated. I have three children, car payments, a mortgage, ect. My oldest is 15 and I can't even afford to pay for driver's education right now let alone college in three years (I can't even afford my own student loans). They show cows, which is expensive and I am not willing for them to give that up. I have a degree in health administration, but walked away from a great paying job that I hated to student-teach. I don't know how it is elsewhere, but in Texas it is 16 weeks of unpaid full-time work. I had to take out another loan. My husband and I spent many hours discussing to make sure this was the right decision (many of those I spent sobbing because I feel in my heart I am supposed to be a teacher).

Everything seemed to fall into place for me and I felt great about my decision. I took my content exam even though I didn't feel prepared enough, but I was running out of time. I HAD to pass that before I could student teach. I passed and had my score in 24hrs - the normal waiting time is 2-3 days. My mentor teacher was asking for a transfer so I thought for sure I would be able to slide right into her spot. That is how it usually works here - ST's usually get hired before anyone else. The team I was with loves me, I got rave reviews from my observations, I was always volunteering to help, and the principal even commented that it was great having me there. In the end, the population declined and the principal was forced to move about 5 teachers around to different spots. One of them was my mentor's spot. Even getting my certificate happened in less than 24hrs. I applied with the state; called the college where I was told I had several people ahead of me, but then she decided right then to look over my information and submit my approval. Processing the certificate usually takes a week, I could see mine online the next day. Everything happened right when it needed to except a job.

Now I am waiting - I have had three interviews, but no offers. My husband has already informed me that I can't sub - daycare for my 4yr old will cost us too much. Though I will have to if I don't get a regular job. I have now started applying for jobs matching my degree field because I can't afford to wait for three years. Kudos for the many of you that have subbed for that long - I would love to but the money is not enough. I don't want to give up on my dream, but I don't have another choice. Everyone just keeps saying it will happen at the end, just hold on, but I am holding on to my faith by a very thin string.

I hope everything works out for you and that you get an offer soon. I know how you feel and I am sorry!!!
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EduK5... Middle Level Math
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I also initially got my certification in Middle Level math. Everyone told me it would be a piece of cake to get a job with a math certification.

Well, at the middle level they really really really want you to have multiple endorsements, that's the first thing I found out. And the middle level jobs were few and far between. So, when I got my job (one year leave, an hour from my house!!) I took the steps to get a high school endorsement, thinking... that's the problem! I need HS!!

Got that and yes, there were more openings available.... but so far have had just one interview and it's for a PT position.

It's pretty frustrating since I was under the impression that with a math cert I'd have no trouble finding work. I will say that it has been the ticket for getting on the sub list fast in multiple districts.


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One Old Goat - It's definitely tough out there. I am surprised your H.S. Math cert. didn't help. I know of people who got H.S. Math positions right after graduating from college.
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You think math is bad?
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Try getting something with an English cert! Our area is still needy of special ed. teachers. Maybe with science in second place.
Many people around here have BOTH history and English so they are hired first.
Most definitely, "only" a multiple subject credential won't go far.
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Special Ed doesn't help either
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I am special ed / elementary certified. I also have middle school social science, language arts endorsements. It doesn't help . The sad thing is I can't even get interviews for assisstant jobs or get on the sub list. It's why I was so exicited about my last interview week ( that I was just rejected from ).Currently, I am doing in home ABA therapy for children with autism, but it's only 10 hours a week. It just stinks .
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I feel your pain. I would go on to detail my situation but you're living it, pretty much. I gave myself a deadline that if I don't have a teaching position by then, I'm looking for a new career. I'm still trying to be positive about the situation and hopefully things will work out. But I still want to be realistic. And realistically, I need to pay my bills.
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Buttercream.........
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It sounds like you have a lot of qualifications......do you think maybe you've got something "wrong" on your application?
I know I was constantly revising my letter of intro or editing my resume. I had to get newer letters of recommendation every year or two.
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NJ is tough. I'm learning that the hard way. The plus side is that I'm young and single so I can move if I want to but I probably can't afford to do that for another year. I really dislike subbing as well and I think I know the company you're talking about (I went on a interview with them and decided not to bother because it sounded shady and all the school districts are too far from my house for $60/day)
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Ohh nooo...I'm adding on an English cert soon
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This may be far off of the mark, but have you also considered or applied for any teacher's aid positions. The pay isn't fabulous, but it does offer benefits as well as an opportunity to get your foot in the door. I live in Tx, and probably a different world, but our school/district hires from with/in. When these professionals earn their certifications, they are hired. Even if you have to apply for an obscure position like office aid, or ppcd aid (special ed), kinder aid, library aid...etc it's worth a shot? Think outside of the box.
****How are your INTERVIEWING SKILLS?****
I also agree w having someone look over your resume and cover letters. I feel that those are the keys to opening doors..especially when you don't "know" anyone. I also hand-delivered my resumes when I moved here (Houston) from another state. I also personalized EACH resume & cover letter: principal's name, school/district name, looked on web pages & emphasized my skills that complimented thier needs/vision. Here in Tx, they hire up through Oct for needs/#'s. Then as needed. Prayers to cover your needs, "divine opportunities" & "divine appointments". Good luck!
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I've just pretty much given up overall. I am working at a camp this summer and am hating every single moment of it. I am getting frustrated with the kids not listening (I know its summer and its camp but still), and just the overall experience I'm having which is only making me not want to teach.

I feel like I wasted $30,000 in loans for my masters that I have to pay off...
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