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Old 09-01-2018, 08:30 PM
 
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I have signed out for confidentiality. The short of my post is I have two students with the same needs but in different classrooms. Our principal has blocked things so that grade levels have all of their cores at the same time. Both of my students have 30 minutes within the classroom and 30 minutes out of the classroom for math. One has 30 minutes out for writing and the other has 30 minutes in for writing. My question is... if I combined both students and the lowest of their general education peers from both classes could I bring them to the special education room for a 30 minute math block? Would it still follow the nature of the IEP? I would be teaching the group whatever everyone else was learning that day but just in my classroom so I could work with both students at once. I would then keep them after that half hour and send everyone else back for their out of classroom minutes. I have no idea what I'll do for writing as again it's at the same time. The schedules are so jam packed I will have to take students out of morning meeting or specials if I don't do something like this.


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You probably need to ask your P and/or sped director. I'm not sure if what you're describing would be allowed. I might go in with these other possible solutions and see what your admin and/or director say:

1- Around here, school hasn't been in session for very long. Can one of the students move gen ed classes so that you can meet their minutes together?

2- Do you have any justification to amend the IEPs to include more out of class minutes? If their needs are similar, it seems that at least you could change the kid with in class writing to out of class writing.

3- Is there an aide that could do some of the in class minutes?

4- I personally think this is a dumb idea, but it's been suggested at my school multiple times to have kids go join a different gen ed class during the time that a specialist is pushing in. So the kid in class A could go join class B for the math block, and you could go into class B. Again, seems stupid to me, but technically you are still meeting the minutes that way.

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1. I thought about suggesting this but when I mentioned it to a colleague in the special education department she thought teachers would be very against it. I guess people in the district are afraid of making classes heavy with special education students. Also one of the two is very sweet and another is very challenging. I am not sure either teacher would wish to have one of them switch.

2. I was hoping to do just that with the writing time. Pull out both of them as they both read quite low. I'm honestly not sure why the one has push in minutes as it will be hard to support him that way. However, I don't really have data to prove it wouldn't be the best for him as there is a lot of new staff and little data to back such a thing up. I guess if the parents were on board we would probably be able to do it.

3. Both of these students already have additional aide minutes and I was told IEP minutes couldn't be filled by an aide unless it was under that particular area. Also, we're very low on aides right now and do not have enough to go around as is.

4. This was one of the solutions I thought of. However, I am not sure either teacher would be comfortable with this. There's then also the mess of who grades the student who moved classes. Who is responsible for making sure he meets his goals? At an IEP meeting it would be myself and his classroom teacher responsible for making sure he met his math goals but if he's in another teachers class that could make it hairy.

As far as speaking with admin/sped director... well as far as I know we do not have a sped director. Our administrator is also brand new to elementary as well as to being a principal. I would probably have to get her involved which is why I am trying to figure out what is allowed. Is it considered push in if the student is still doing all of what everyone else is but is just doing it in a different physical location? Splitting both classrooms into 3 groups I think could help everyone. What if all 3 groups rotated through each room? Would it then be considered push in minutes?
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IME, it just depends on the school and how flexible they are with the definitions. In my current school, what you are proposing would probably be allowed if it were explained to parents, and I agree with you that it sounds like a better set up for all involved. In my previous school, it wouldn't have been allowed especially for the gen ed students, because that school would have considered it putting gen ed kids into sped without informing their parents.

Are you the only sped teacher at your school? If not, what do the other teachers say? There has to be someone that is in charge even if they don't have the title "sped director." If you truly don't know who this is, I'd still email the P your idea and say you're just checking that it's allowed. Best case scenario, P will get in touch with someone who does know the answer for your district. Worst case scenario, at least you have documentation in writing that you tried to make sure the idea was okay, just in case someone has a problem with it down the line.
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