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Hey All!

I hope that everyone has found us here! I think we are ready to start talking about Chapter 1. On the K-3 board, I posted a message about collecting great motivating picture books to put in those bins that Debbie Miller suggests in her first chapter. Let's try and get a book list going so that we have the entire summer to hunt them down!
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Books for Bins in September - do you have any terrific books to put in these bins?


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I taught first grade this year, and some of the books that we started with that were most successful were those without words. I think they would be good k-3, because their storylines are so open. They encourage children to appreciate the art of the picture book, to pay attention to the pictures, and to discuss alternate meanings. Also, by introducing them informally at the beginning of the year, I could return to them when we were doing questioning and inferencing and they were already familiar.

Some of my favorites are:
The Grey Lady and The Strawberry Snatcher
Tuesday
Sector 7
The Snowman
10 Minutes Till Bedtime
The Carl Books

I'm going to invest in some more this summer... what are your favorites?
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For my Book Bins at the beginning of the year I try to include fiction and nonfiction of various subjects and degrees of difficulty. I also use the table book bins as an introduction to discuss caring for our books in the classroom. Once they have proven they can take care of the table bins then I will allow them to choose 3-4 from the back library. As far as titles, I usually just choose a variety that I think would be of interest to the students.

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Books for Bins:
I really like the scholastic non-fiction books because I find that the boys in my class really like looking at them! These non-fiction books are mostly about animals, their habitats etc. I also have a few really great fractured fairy tales that I bought from scholastic that I really like.....
1. Big Bad Wolf is Good
2. Dinorella (great for teaching word choice so I don't know that I would put it out) 3. Little Red Hen Makes a Pizza

I also like the David Shannon books. For early readers they are great because the text is manageable and the illustrations are amazing. Personally I don't have a lot of books, the ones that I do have are ones that I would use for teaching the reading comprehension strategies or use as examples of the 6+1 traits of writing.

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I teach first grade so the books I choose at the beginning are books with just a few words on each page or books that the students are comfortable and familiar with. I also include songs and poems that we do and non-fiction books as well. I usually use lots of books by Eric Carle since the children usually have heard these in Kindergarten. Books about colors such as Brown Bear and I Went Walking are also used since I want the kids to learn to read color words. Donald Crews books are great--Rain, School Bus, etc. I let the students make their own poems and song books. I type the words on a plain paper for the children to illustrate. I have the same poem on my charts.


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ok... i thought we weren't going to start talking until Monday. I have yet to get the book, but would love to be a part of the discussion. Doyou have to use specific books? I was hoping to use the books i currently ahve in my classroom library.
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2ndGradeChick, No, you don't have to use specific books. I use what I have. In Debbie Miller's book she does give suggestions for books to help teach a specific strategy. If I don't have it then I go to the library and check it out. If it works, I buy it to add to the collection. I have had to buy no books to implement her workshop approach. I am behind on reading as well. I am going to have Ch. 1 and hopefully 2 finished by Monday. What is the schedule....one chapter a week?

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of wordless picture books: Zoom and Blackboard Bear (extremely cute).
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of wordless picture books: Zoom and Blackboard Bear (extremely cute).
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Jeanne--

Can you explain a little more about the books the kids make? Do you mean that they do like a shared write with you and that's what you have on the charts? Or, did you mean each kid does their own poem/song and the charts have "real" ones?

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Hi Everyone,

I jumped on the bandwagon a little late, but I'm in for the discussion. I'm not very familiar with Debbie Miller, but I bought the book tonight and will start reading (poolside of course!) tomorrow.

I'm also taking 7 graduate courses this summer, along with participating in district curriculum writing for math and attending a math learning academy, so my summer is busy, but I'm very interested!

I'll be posting/participating whenever possible!
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Hi Everyone! I have read the Debbie Miller book and used some of it...we even did a workshop on it in my district. We did several weeks during the school year -- but you know how that is...you never have time to digest what you have learned in order to implement it fully. I was planning on rereading the book this summer! So I'll get started right away! Can't wait to hear everyone's ideas. I am also purchasing the Debbie Dillar book-- it looks super too.
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Hi! I was introduced to Debbie Miller's Reading with Meaning last summer at a workshop. I couldn't wait to try Debbie Miller's strategies this year, and I had great success with my first graders. I saw some of her video clips from "Happy Reading" and it really helped me to see her classroom management plan and other interactions with the kids. I used her practices in conjunction with Sharon Taberski's Reader's Workshop and I made it all work into my reading plan for my first graders. At the end of this year, they had all exceeded the year's growth in reading, according to their D.R.A. scores, and a few of them had doubled their expected growth. Even more importantly, they now know how to think critically about their reading, select books on their level and interest, and they love to read!! Good luck!
 
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Lanagamma,
You mentioned that Debbie is coming to your district.
Where is she going to be speaking? Is it a big conference? I have been looking for her scheduled engagements to hopefully travel and attend!
 
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On the bandwagon late too. I'm interested in finding out more about Debbie Miller. I haven't bought the book yet though. Has anyone bought the Strategies that Work book by Stephanie Harvey? Amazon sells it with Debbie's book. I also found this site that shows a facilitator's guide to the workshop. It's called Read Share Teach featuring the Reading with Meaning book and the Happy Reading video. They can be purchased through Stenhouse Publishers too. I'd really like to incorporate these ideas into my 2nd grade classroom next year. I'll be reading the book soon and hope to catch up on this discussion. Thanks for having this post.

https://www.stenhouse.com/pdfs/rst_0307.pdf
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Books for Book Bins!
Hi everyone, I know there was some questions whether you could use the books you already have for your book bins. I would definitely say "yes". I am doing my reading specialist right now in conjunction with Debbie Miller's book, and the impression I got was that the books in the bins really need to movtivate kids. I'm not sure if you have the same problem, but I have a ton of books that really aren't quality books in my classroom. They aren't the kind of books that will motivate a struggling reader, so I guess that is why I suggested a book list to help with this! I definitely need to spend the summer weeding out the books that were donated, that at one time I thought would be great to have in my class, but have now realized they aren't the kind of books I want to motivate my kids with. I'd like to find some books that are funny or have great pictures etc. Not the books for teaching the reading comprehension strategies. Hope this helps clarify the book bins discussion!!
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The question about the books the kids have--I use poem and songs that help the students read! Debbie Miller talks about her poems and songs that she uses at the beginning of the year. This is the basis of my children's poetry books. The poems are from websites, books, charts, etc. I have written them on chart paper and added MY pictures and illustrations. I then laminate them and tape a coat hangar to the back of each chart. I can then hang it up on my board or chart stand. I have a copy that I print off the computer with just the words. I try to print it so it's centered on the paper. Each child gets a copy of the poem. This leaves lots of room for the students to illustrate it. I have a folder for each child and the child adds it to their folder. The kids love to read them, take them with their book baskets to read during DEAR time, etc. At the end of the year, the children have a book of poems.

Sometimes we also create and write class poems. These can become bulletin boards, new charts, etc.
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At the beginning of the year my kids are crazy for the Clifford books. I found a set of easy reading phonetic Clifford books somewhere in my book search one year. This kids really get excited about them. I put Cliffords in the room, hang up a strategy chart with Clifford's head at the top, (Clifford says....) and read some regular Clifford books the first 2 weeks of school. I also use alot of other books in the bins but these are their favorites. Later in the year we read the Robert Munsch books.
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I am going to buy Debbie Miller's book today, and I would love to be in on this discussion. I hope to catch up over the weekend with the reading.


Well, I went to the two teacher supply stores here in town and neither one carried it, so I have to wait for it to be ordered. I can hardly wait to start though.

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There are really alot of books out right now that address the 7 (or is it 6?) comprehension strategies that Debbie Miller discusses in Reading With Meaning. Strategies That Work is one. I find RWM an easier book to read, but STW is good also. The authors of STW have written a book for parents called 7 Keys to Comprehension. Does anyone else know of any other good books on these comprehension strategies?
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I have Strategies that Work also. It's very much in line with RWM, but aimed at grades 3-5. When I taught 2nd grade I found it helpful. While Miller goes a lot more into classroom environment and the way she actually gets kids to respond, Strategies that Work has a little more "research" tone to it and gives additional lessons and more explanations of the strategies. I read it first, liked it, and started implementing it into my class. But when I read Miller a year later, it was like a breath of fresh air and all of a sudden I actually understood the reason for strategy instruction and how to go about getting kids to deeply understand.
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Did you try a bookstore?? I got mine last night at Barnes and Noble.
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Thanks BookMuncher. I'm going to get both from Amazon then. I'm really looking forward to using them in my 2nd grade next year.
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I didn't think about a regular bookstore. I will head over there today and check it out. The sooner the better.
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I hadn't thought of looking at the teacher's store!
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Would you put something different in the baskets for 2nd grade for the beginning of the year? Thanks
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I just spent two days with the author of "The Power of Retelling," Vicki Benson. She has some wonderful strategies that extend what Debbie Miller does. Actually, Vicki's book came out before Reading with Meaning, but it is gaining alot of popularity. Debbie's book has a forward by Ellin Keene, who wrote "Mosaic of Thought," another great comprehension book! I got to hear Sharon Taberski last summer, and if you haven't read her book, "On Solid Ground," it is a must read too!
She has a ton of book titles listed in her book, that will help you build your library.
 
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Lady A,
You can try Arthur books and Amelia Bedelia books. They are very suitable for second graders. (Have taught first through fourth grades.
Also try some non-fiction books on topics that interest little boys, like Snakes, Sharks, Sports, etc. My girls have enjoyed picture books by
Kevin Henkes, (Lilly's purple plastic purse, and his all of his others titles.)
Fairy tale retellings that are funny, are good for second graders, because they are able to understand dry humor.
 
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Thanks for the suggestions of books for the basket. Another question, is it possible to use Debbie Miller's workshop somehow with guided reading or small groups? Our school wants us to use small groups for reading. I'm wondering if I could teach the strategies through read aloud before A.R. Yes, we use A.R. too so I'm not sure about some parts of the workshop. Any help on how to use the two would be great. Thanks
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finding the book. Her name is actually Debbie Diller. :smile: I just went to an inservice on Literacy Stations. She was not there but an associate was. I was not too impressed with the inservice. Basically, she spent the entire day covering the book. She does have some wonderul ideas. I did purchase her Literacy Work Stations book. I really suggest reading this if you have questions/concerns about using stations during your guided reading worshop time.
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I know you were smiling, but can't tell. I'm looking at the book, and it is Miller!
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There is a Debbie Diller who has written a book about literacy stations. There is also Debbie Miller who has written Reading With Meaning
Two Debbies!
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Just trying to be helpful thus the smile. I did not realize that their is also a Debbie Miller. I will have to check her out.

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I really love Debbie's books for Reading Workshop in younger grades. I am rereading On Solid Ground too, I really like Taberski's ideas for Word Study.

As for my book bins. I include high interest books, and some of the kindergarten favorites too (ask your k teacher to borrow for the first couple weeks of school) They include

Are you My Mother?
The Wolf's Chicken Stew
Chicka Chicka Boom Boom
The Little Red Hen
(I can't think of anymore)

Here are some of my additions for songbooks and high interest-
The Lady with the Alligator Purse
David Shannon books
Deep in the Woods
Biscuit Books (why do they love this series so much?)
 
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Thanks for the suggestions of books for the basket. Another question, is it possible to use Debbie Miller's workshop somehow with guided reading or small groups?

Yes, as you read you will see that she does meet with groups. However My district is a little more strict about how many times a week I read, and with which readers. She is allowed more flexibility with grouping.
I am required to use certain books for guided reading, and I have a definate schedlue of when to introduce each comprehension strategy (as outlined in Mosaic of Thought)


Our school wants us to use small groups for reading. I'm wondering if I could teach the strategies through read aloud before A.R. Yes, we use A.R. too so I'm not sure about some parts of the workshop. Any help on how to use the two would be great. Thanks

What is AR?

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Would I be able to adapt Debbie Miller's book Reading With Meaning to be used in my Title I reading? I will be teaching reading k-4. I am thinking about about buying her book but I don't want to get it if it isn't going to be useful for me.
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I also have Literacy Work Stations, and never noticed that it was Diller, not Miller!!!
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A. R.- Accelerated Reader- Short and sweet it's a Computer Reading program- Students take a Star Reading Test on the computer to identify their reading zone ( ex. 2.0-2.5). After they read their book (they can pick any kind of book that they'd like in the zone) then they go to the computer to take their test. When they have 90% average on so many test, students move up a level. We give a Star Reading test 3 times a year. We also have the Accelerated Math program but it's different from the reading.
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I finally got a book ordered and should have it within the week. I have already divided my books by author in AR, and was planning to divide my non-AR books by topic. Is there anything special I need to do with the bins? Also, I teach A Beka and was planning on using her methods combined with our readers if that is possible.
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HI all. I'd love to join in, albeit late!
This past year we did a book study once a week before school using Debbie MILLER's Reading With Meaning. I also read it during student teaching (my cooperating teacher thought it was great too!)
I have to say I did a not so great job covering the whole book and I plan to start at the beginning and do it little by little this year.
Another resource or two for acquiring books:
library sales...many times in the summer public libraries have sales and if you tell them you are a teacher they will let you have first choice. I have gotten a lot of books this way...cheap...or even free.
Also,
ebay is a wonderful thing to me. I have definitely spent a lot less on books using ebay instead of buying brand new books.

I did do the book bin method last year and I messed that up too. Hmmm live and learn. I put out ALL my books. This year I will select certain baskets and save the chapter books for 2nd quarter or get them out for certain kiddos as needed. I think some of my lovelies were getting in over their head and getting frustrated last year.
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Hi Betty,
I do have some ideas on how to do both...I did both Sharon Taberski's reading plan and Debbie Miller's "Happy Reading" strategies. I began each day with a reading time for my kids to "explore books" - similar to Sharon Taberski and Debbie Miller schedules, then we had a class rug time for a "Morning Meeting" which included a shared reading time. We would first sit in a circle and discuss the books they had explored and found, then we would read a selection together that I had chosen, to teach a strategy and to share some great literature. During that time, I rotated from day to day, with a purpose for the reading. (Either a reading strategy to teach, or word skill strategy which related to our selection.)
Then my kids did literacy center activities while I called on groups to read in guided reading time - Sharon Taberski outlines the group focus strategy in her book. That was my morning language block, plus a few extras now and then. It worked well!!
 
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I'm a kindergarten teacher but I'm willing to try Debbie Diller's Reading Workshop in my classroom. Are there any other k teachers out there that have followed her book? I'm a little scared how this is going to work out in my classroom. I'm almost through chapter 4. Will I become a little less scared after more reading? I'm just not sure how it should look in my room at the beginning.
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I would like to hear everyone's response to this quote. Miller states it in the list on page 12.
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I'm going to be teaching kindergarten next year, and I used Debbie Miller's book this year in my first grade class. I think that it will look a little different in that it will move more slowly and in that there will be more shared writing to record our thinking and maybe less of the partner and individual written repsonses. As far as the actual workshop part of it- I think that it's going to be great in kindergarten. I've been lately going through my books to try and make sure I have a ton of wordless picture, ABC, song books, and labeling books. I think that as long as we are willing to stick with the kinds of books that they will find success with, we're going to see great results. I'm really excited to see how reader's workshop will help these emerging readers. Even though first graders are developmentally a year older, I can still say that this approach did wonders for every single one of my children, no matter what the reading level.
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I have been searching high and low for information about Debbie Miller's Reading with Meaning book. I have taught 3rd grade for 4 years but am moving to 1st grade this year. I found her book as I was moving classrooms at the end of the school year. I have been reading it this summer but really needed to discuss it with someone. I was searching the net and found this. How exciting!! I am joining in on all the fun. Hope to learn many new insightful things!

By the way, does she have a website? I could not locate one for her.

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I think it could be done in a workshop approach, I just think the strategies would be done at a slower pace, with a lot more shared reading, Read-Aloud-Think Alouds. I would have tons of sotrybooks available that you have read and reread many times for the kids to read. When I taught K I allowed them to read with a "Work Partner" if they chose. I also didn't start guided reading until the end of the year. My word study groups, succeeded when I had parents in the classroom to help lead centers, while I ran word study ("phonics groups") The kinders need tons more support, but they can work in a workshop format- I think you need to keep in mind the focus is a little different. Does that make sense?
 
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The K kids would not have to respond, unless they were ready, in response logs. It could be done in a shared writing format, or perhaps they could respond orally; Think-pair-share, with a buddy, with the teacher, or in a modified "book club"

I do miss teaching kindergarten. Can you tell?

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I will be teaching 2nd grade next year. I would like to put several books in my bins that will grab the boys attention. Any suggestions? I have lots of science nonfiction books and Arthur books. I would like some specific titles if possible.
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I've just recently bought Debbie Miller's book RWM and I'm very interested in talking with others about how to implement her strategies. Some books that I might put in the bins would include:

the "Froggy" books (Froggy Gets Dressed)
Eric Carle books
Kevin Henkes books (Chrysanthemum, Wemberly Worried, etc)
Laura Numeroff books (If You Give a Moose a Muffin, etc)
Jan Brett books
Fairy tales
Non-fiction books about: animals, transportation, five senses, etc

Just some suggestions. Hope they are helpful. I'm looking forward to getting lots of ideas from this discussion.

In response to J2002aggie's question about Miller's quote "Teach the reader, not the reading", I think she is trying to say that we need to be careful not to get caught up in teaching straight from the teacher's manual and focusing on the skills that are outlined for us each week. It's not that those skills aren't important, but teaching children to love and appreciate reading and become lifelong readers is what is most needed. Just some thoughts

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Teach the reader not the reading...

I think Miller is saying that we need to focus on what strategies the reader is using or not using and how that child gets through a text. Teaching the reading would be a focus on getting the words right without really caring about what is going on in the reader's head. If a child reads "home" instead of "house", a teacher who is teaching the reading might either correct them or ignore them. A teacher who is teaching the reader might take a note that the child is reading for meaning but not necessarily looking through the whole word. The teacher might have the child look again at the word (without interuppting the text) or may not say anything, but instead, include that child in a flexible group that addresses the issue he/she is experiencing.

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a few I like:

secrets of droon ( a little higher)

magic tree house RESEARCH guides (they LOVE these-- totally nonfiction "guides" that can be read with an accompanying magic tree house book, or just read seperately)

captain underpants, or if these are too hard, Ricky Ricotta's Mighty Robot is a series also written by Dav Pilkey, but easier. There is also Dragon books written by him that are the easiest.

My Father's Dragon Series are a favorite (my high first graders read them... they are at about a 3rd grade level)

ALSO: Children's authors Jon Sciezcka and ____ Lane (blanking on name) have an awesome website for boys called www.guysread.com

It is designed really cool, and you (or the kids) can search for books that boys usually like. Check it out!
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Sorry about my questions with specifically kindergarten, but do you think that the amount of time allotted would be different in a kindergarten setting? 45-50 minutes for kindergarteners to sit, read, respond and confer is a really long time. I'm thinking especially in September. Later in the book she talks about conferring with 4-5 students and then meeting with small groups. If you didn't do this amount of time, then you wouldn't be able to do all of this. I'm just wondering if anyone out there knows what kind of struggle I'm talking about.
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I am sure it is different for K than for other grades. I myself was astonished that second graders built up to an hour of reading silently this year! My goodness, and they were loving it. One day during the last week of school our schedule changed at the last minute...rain....well, I gave them a choice to vote - center games or silent reading....it was unanimous...SILENT READING! Wow!
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My friend is reading Mosaic of Thought and I heard a lot about On Solid Ground. Do you think they would be useful to me since I teach kindegarten?
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Some really great books for the beginning of the year for the earlier grades:

Denise Fleming books
Donald Crews books - The Bus, Freight Train
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Thanks to those who helped me locate the Sunflower Room. I'm new around here.

I'm wondering how high up in the grades this book's ideas can go?
I notice that most of you are in the K-2 range.

I read this book as my first "professional" read this summer. I loved the power of reading it instills in children. I would love for the students at my school to start out reading this way. A couple thoughts I had during reading:

Is is necessary for the teacher to have a love of reading herself to get this message across to students? (Our 1st grade teachers do not read for pleasure or professional growth unless forced)

How can I get these skills to my students (3rd graders)? I don't have the time to set up my reading schedule like Miller.

How can I not find the time to teach these skills to 3rd graders?

How do I do this for 3rd graders? Do I use the same books and mini lessons?

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Hi Lodi!! Welcome aboard! Here's my opinions to your questions...

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I'm wondering how high up in the grades this book's ideas can go? I notice that most of you are in the K-2 range.
I personally think that the essential elements of this book can stretch to grade 6, but that the way it is put into practice, is relevant K-3, maybe even 4. Teachers 4-8 should read Strategies that Work, which is a great resource too, but geared for older kids.

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Is is necessary for the teacher to have a love of reading herself to get this message across to students?
I think it's pretty essential-- BUT, I love to read. Maybe there are those out there who have found success with faking it. I think that would come through in my teaching. Maybe your colleagues would be inspired to read more after reading Miller's book? If they would read it in the first place!! It's not a deal breaker-- I wouldn't not encourage them to implement Miller's strategies because of it; it's too important.

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How can I get these skills to my students (3rd graders)? I don't have the time to set up my reading schedule like Miller.
I think a lot of us don't have time to implement her exact schedule. I think that the essential pieces of her work are the mini-lesson and independent reading time, but I don't think they need to be back to back, or even every single day if you can't swing it. A really great mini-lesson should be short anyways, so that's pretty easy to fit into any schedule. I think that when you first starting teaching in this manner, it's easy to want to slip into trying to cram a lot of things into one session. We have to remember that Miller only read 2-3 pages a day on some occassions, depending on what she's teaching. We have to K.I.S.S.!! The independent reading time may already be built into your schedule, or you could probably be creative with other times to fit it into your day (let me know if you want me to expand on some ways I've seen this done)

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How do I do this for 3rd graders? Do I use the same books and mini lessons?
Use the same books and mini-lesson!!! (UNLESS, their 2nd grade teachers were really into this stuff last year- then you might have to revamp) The books are very appropriate for all grade levels- she purposely lists some that have many layers to them. All the books she lists are meaningful and picked with a purpose. MANY of them are too hard for first grade to understand fully. I would expect to use the same mini-lessons (definately the same modeling pieces), but maybe expect a little more writing and expanded responses from 3rd graders.

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I saw this board a few weeks ago and thought you would be farther through the discussion by now! Are we still on chapter 1?
 
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This thread just keeps going... The last Chapter heading we have posted is Chapter 2, but people have been talkign about things through Chapter 5.
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hi. i just logged on to this site today and am excited to see that others are interested in the debbie miller book. i was introduced to this book last fall and have taken a series of workshops (24 hours) through our local school district based on this specific book as well as fountas and pinnell's "guided reading". great stuff! it's totally changed my way of thinking and teaching reading in my classroom. i teach kindergarten and started implementing changes in my reading program last january. i could not believe the difference i saw in my kids! most of my kids left kindergarten this year reading at a level C or higher and their writing was unbelievable. where i used to be lucky to get a sentence or two from them at the end of the year.....last year most were writing paragraphs or even several pages! i highly recommend both books and would be happy to share more about the changes i made this year if anyone is interested. i hope to follow debbie's strategies again this year and anticipate even better results since i will be able to start at the beginning of the year instead of in the middle!
 
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I would LOVE to hear about what changes you have made-- specifically in kindergarten (I've taught debbie miller's style a little in 2nd grade and more in 1st grade, but will be teaching K next year)

Can you tell us how you structure independent reading time? Do kids pick out books to read each day or weekly? Are they reading readers or more real literature? Did you cover all the strategies in miller's book, or just some?

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thanks for you reply. it seems like there's so much to tell it's hard to say it all and not seem like i am rambling on and on. but here goes. our school district...specifically our k-2 building...has committed to changing our reading program and we are moving toward using the strategies in debbie's book and also fountas and pinnell. we have almost our entire k-2 staff onboard and we hope that our enthusiasm will get the teachers who are more sceptical to come around eventually. first of all, i read debbie's book cover to cover and was really excited to try it. i wanted my kids doing the stuff that hers were!!! you know the feeling? i had already implemented literacy centers in my classroom and had been doing that for a while so i think that made things a little easier for me. it wasn't like i had to try everything new at once. here's my typical schedule, maybe this will help answer how i implement it in k:

8:30 - 9 As the kids are arriving the children can either choose books from the different leveled baskets or from their individual browser boxes (children have their own box with books at their specific level...these change as the year progresses). I have different books that are leveled....wright group, books from our reading series, scholastic, etc. The children know what level they are at and can read from any box up to their level. They can read alone or with a friend and can sit anywhere they want to in the room. Sometimes, instead of reading they will get their journals out and write instead. Journal time is completely free...no prompts, except sometimes on a Monday morning i might ask them to tell me about their weekend. During this time, i might work with a table of kids conferencing on their writing or i might pull a group back to work on guided reading.

9-9:45 i usually start with poems or songs...we will do a few. sometimes i select or the kids do. differents poems/songs for different skills like rhyming, blends, endings, etc. then i will read a specific book for read aloud. i tried to follow some of the book suggestions in debbie's book and some selections from the workshops i took. last year i mostly worked on schema and questioning techniques. remember, i started half way through the year and was trying to figure it all out as i went along. i hope to follow her monthly suggestions this year....of course i do have to remember that she taught first grade so i will have to water it down somewhat. after read aloud we do our shared reading with a big book. ( i use alot of wright group and rays readers) i will usually use the same big book for two or three days, expanding on the text. Big books are where i do my mini lessons....finding letters, sight words, punctuation, etc. Then its on to shared or interactive writing. We work together to create a chart or story relating to whatever lesson i am teaching. We use the shared pen technique where the children come up and actually write the letters/words on the chart. in the beginning of course, they will only be able to write letters here and there, but as the year goes on they basically write the entire chart. one child writes while the others sound out the words and call out the letters. i basically only intervene to make sure the spelling is correct. our rule of thumb is that anything that gets hung up in the room must have correct spelling...but phonetic spelling is fine for all other writings.

9:45 - 10:30 this is when the kids work on writing.....we do lots of innovations to texts during interactive writing and then the kids illustrate either alone or with partners. we make lots of class big books that we laminate and put in our classroom library. or we make charts stories and illustrate. this time is used for these activities and also journal writing. the kids write in their journals every day.

10:30 - 11:30 this is when the kids use literacy centers and i work with small groups in guided reading. i try to meet with two groups each day for about 15-20 minutes each group. i can elaborate on this more later if you want.

ok...i have rambled on far too long...........if you have any more questions please feel free to ask or tell me any suggestions you have for me too! i am very interested to hear what is working for others in their classrooms.
 
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Thank you so much for the reply! I gather that you teach full day? (I didn't see any breaks in there for recess/snack/math/specials/other) THis is why I feel worse and worse about teaching kindergarten! It is STILL half day in our district, and almost everyday includes recess, snack, and a special-- and of course, math, social studies, science. I know I can integrate the social studies and science, but still, when all is said and done, I estimate that I'll have 2 hours for L.A. I'm used to 3.5 in first grade (plus I always stole more time in the PM).

Your classroom and teaching style is very similiar to mine... I would love to collaborate with you this year. Everything in your schedule is aligned with the pieces of a reading curriculum in mine.

Here's something from my classroom that you didn't mention-- I've spent this summer looking for deals on books for my library. I have hundredsd and hundreds at about the 1-3 grade level, but not enough that are for emergent readers (besides the readers-- like the ones you mentioned). I've put together enough books to have substantial baskets of:

wordless picture books (this was the hardest!!!)
ABC books
Labeling books
Fairy tales and folktales
Check-the-picture books
Songs
Rhymes

How are the rest of your books leveled? (How many levels, and are they color, letter, etc..?) Do you have anchor books that you use to decide if kids are ready to move to another level, or do you just decide?
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i'm still rather new to leveling books...but working on it. as i said our school is committed to this so we have spent an enormous amount of money buying leveled books, which we house in a "book room" at our school. They begin with level A and go on up. Last year i used basically A-C and with one particular group of girls i was able to move all the way up to D and E. We have been buying books from various companies...mostly wright group and rigby. we've been buying multiple copies of each title so that we can use them in guided reading groups. we just check out whatever we need for our classroom.

as for my own classroom library...help!!!!!!!!! i have hundreds of books, mostly very good quality literature from good authors. but they are not at the beginning level. my classroom library is used more for my read alouds. right now i have them catorized in tubs by author, subject, season, etc. Each tub is color coded and the books have a colored sticker on them so that kids know where the books go when they are finished. Also in my classroom library i have 6 tubs of leveled books. These are more for the children to read at their own level. Last year i had them leved by number because that's the way our reading series does it.....but i would like to try leveling them like "fountas and pinnell" - have you heard of their book? "Guided Reading". I highly recommend it. Not as easy to read as Debbie Miller......but a ton of good information.

then also back at my guided reading area i have 6 more tubs of leveled books.....this is where i store my multiple copies to use in guided reading.

as far as your question about anchor books....yes. we sat down together as a grade level last year and chose a book from level A, B and C to use for determining when kids are ready to move on to the next level. we all use the same level. in fact........we talked to the rest of the staff and we are going to choose our school wide anchor books from level A on up. that way, no matter what grade we teach, we will all be using the same book. we thought that would be a good idea. after all not every kid in k is at level A in the beginning and the same in first grade....we can't assume that they all begin at level C...you know what i mean?

one more thing, how about trying your local library for easy readers for your classroom. i have a six year old and he is reading now. so we went to the library and i was really amazed at the enormous section of books for kids just beginning to read. i am planning on checking out a bundle every month for my classroom use.
 
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I have been trying to see how everyone else did it in K but it seemed everyone else was teaching older.

Question: If you start your morning out with them reading independently, then you don't teach the mini-lesson and then let them practice what you just taught?

The independent reading is what I'm worried about in K with the different levels of books. In September, I'm not sure that they won't get frustrated. Also, if you start out teaching about schema, how many of those books will be able to relate to this? I also went to my library yesterday and there are lots of beginning reader books I will be checking out from there.

Question: Fairy tales and folk tales usually aren't on their levels. Do you think that these will be okay because they are familiar to them?
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i am in no way an expert on this, but i will tell you how i did things last year...it worked good but i will probably make changes as i figure things out a little better...trial and error, you know? even though i wasn't familiar with debbie's book last fall, i decided to give the kids "browser boxes" in september to use for their independant reading (got this idea from another teacher). i just bought plastic baskets at the dollar store but some people use large ziplock bags or they have some cool bags in "really good stuff" catalog. bags take up less space then the plastic bins. kids can keep them in their cubbies.

anyway, since the kids in k are basically non-readers for the first few months of school, i had the kids bring in about 4 or 5 of their favorite books from home to put in their browser boxes to begin the year. that way when they were "reading" they were looking at books that were familiar to them and that they enjoyed. in our reading series, each week it introduces a new letter and sight word and so beginning at about the third week of school we introduce our first sight word "the". each week they get a little mini paper tear out book that goes with our sight word and i would put those in their browser boxes too, to begin with. these books are very simple...rebus sentences...like "The house." "The chair." "The door." etc.... so in just a few short weeks they had several books to read. there are a lot of teacher resources on the market that have books like that, that you can run off and make yourself. little sight word books and repetitive text.

As the year went on, and children began moving at different paces, that is when the book selection became more individualized for each child.

Now i didn't actually begin using the debbie miller book ideas in my classroom until january last year.....so that's when i started talking about schema, etc. but i guess i think that schema is just relating a story to your own life. so there are plenty of books out there with topics that kids can relate to. for instance, in the fall i always begin with my "all about me" unit. The essential understanding of the unit is that we are all unique and special but in many ways we are alike. we start our with "me" (that 's when we talk about name, birthday, address, phone number, etc). then we move on to "my family" (mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, differences in our families, etc.) then we move on to "my friends" (we talk about our friends at school, our school, rules, etc). Anyway, there are so many books that relate to this subject and that the kids have lots of schema to relate to the topic.

mini lessons: ok, here is my take on mini lessons in k. in miller's book she talks about mini lessons on story comprehention with her first graders. well i think we k teachers have to remember that most of our leveled books for k do not have a lot of "meat" in them. they are usually very repetitive text and not alot of comprehension...especially in the beginning of the year. so my mini lessons are more on phonics skills using big books, or beginning /ending sounds, noticing small words insided big words...stuff like that. things they can use when learning how to decode words and use strategies like using picture clues and beginning sounds to help them figure out words in their independent reading.

i think in kindergarten the comprehension stuff that miller talks about comes in your read aloud's...you know while you are reading a book to your children you are talking about schema and inferences, etc. i think we have to remember that miller's book is written at a first/second grade level so we have to really water it down for k or at least change it around a bit.

like i said at the beginning, i am certainly no expert, but that's sort of my opinion and i hope that helps a little.
 
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for anyone who is interested: i found a site today that is very helpful in figuring out how to level the books you may already have in your classroom or school library.

www.pps.k12.or.us/curriculum/literacy/leveled_books/

it has all the titles, authors and they are listed by grade level.

hope this may help someone out there!
 
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I agree with you, i teach k. Just like you had them put in favorite books from home ( i LOVE that idea), I think they can be "reading" folktales and fairytales.

I was really planning on spending my first weeks showing kids all the ways to read. I'm creating some environmental print books, and we'll do one together. I'm going to focus on reading wordless picture books and labeling books and ABC books.

At our school first graders are largley non-readers, and so this year, this is the way I started, and I didn't even need to include readers in order for my kids to thrive. I have some scholastic high-frequency word books and other like it. Some of my kids started on those, but a large amount started just like Debbie Miller said they would- I would read a read aloud and they would want to read it, so they would. (It would take them days and days, but they worked hard, and when they were done, they could actually re-read it a little faster, until they were really able to read the words!) It is one of the most amazing things I've ever seen!!!!
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I was wondering if it is too late to join the discussion group on Debbie Miller. I just joined the site and I am thrilled with the many resources it provides. I chose Reading with Meaning as my summer professional book and I would love to chat about it as it makes it more real and useful. I teach second grade Reading/Language Arts and I plan on using this book as a source for next year. Let me know the schedule and what chapter you are on so I can participate. Thanks!
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It's not at all too late! I would recommend for you to just start reading, because I don' t think we are on a very formal schedule. We are only formally on chapter 2, but have talked about things circa chapter 5. It's up to anyone who feels like it to either respond to threads that are already going, OR if you want to respond to something in Miller's book that hasn't been brought up yet, make a new thread. Welcome!!!
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Hi Everyone!
I am glad to be back in the discussion! I am sorry I haven't posted lately, I have been really sick and have had to take some time off school to re-coop. I am glad to be back in the discussion. Are we finished with levelled books?
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Hello everyone! I'm excited to see this board up and running. I've read Debbie Miller's book, viewed her tapes over and over, and was fortunate enough to go to one of her workshops. I teach 3rd grade and tried to implement what I could. Like everyone else, we are very pressed for time. One thing I did do was research the song she uses to gather her kids. The CD is wonderful. If you see her video tapes you'll know what I mean. I don't know if I can actually print the artist's name on the board or not?? I also made a list of book titles to teach the strategies from. I don't know whether I got it from a source on the internet, or, if I pulled them from her book. At this very moment, I can't even find the book! But, we were given monies a few years ago to order books for our classrooms and I used her list to purchase titles that I could use to teach the strategies. I made a pocket folder for each book and labeled it with the strategy. I'd be glad to get the list to the board somehow if someone can clue me in on the easiest way to do that.
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I think you can post the artist's name here... I've posted other author's and songs, etc... I would love to hear!!!

If you want to post the list, you can do it as an attachment, but if you don't have it in a word file, then I don't know how you can do it.

Thanks for sharing!
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Hello--Debbie Miller uses the song "All Around the World" in the videos. The artist's name is Katherine Dine. She publishes music under Hunk-ta-Bunkta music. I ordered her cd online. It has her original music on it and it all has to do with kids. Titles are really cute and my class always wants to hear the cd. I finally found my copy of RWM, and I did get titles from each chapter in her book. She has them listed at the end of the chapters. So, you could pull the titles from there. I found that I already had some of the books in my classroom library. Then I purchased a few others. I used the books as a read-aloud/discussion on the strategy as the mini lesson. Then, after reading stories, etc., came back together whole group and tried to connect the strategy to the story just read. It works well and I saw the kids pick up on the terminology she uses. I can still post the list I have created, but will have to find out how to do that.
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Creative Minds,

I would love to see the folders that you have created!
I have been searching online using the list in the back of Debbie's book to order books! Yesterday I thought I would try to order them and found a reasonalbe site, however, when I went to pay for the books, I realized that the shipping fee was more than the cost of the books themselves! I know that I have to get those book titles this summer! Where is everyone ordering their books from? Unfortunately my library doesn't have many of the ones suggested in Debbie's book I am willing so spend the money on my own copies as I feel they will be valuable to have in my own collection, but the fee for shipping is extreme! Where do you get your books???
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I have had GREAT luck with both. When they don't have a title they'll order it for you and no shipping.

Sometimes you can find them cheaper. Bookcloseouts. com

ebay, half.com....

but if not then try out borders!

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I'm so excited to hear from other teachers who teach kindergarten and are reading this book. It is one of many that I picked up this summer and was going to pass by since it looked more geared to 1st/2nd grade. After skimming it, I couldn't resist!! Debbie Miller is an inspiration. This is my first year teaching K and really my first year teaching. So I may chime in here and there but don't have a lot of experience-- wanted you all to know I appreciate the discussion and hearing what you have done to adapt the program for K.

Does D.M. have a web sight? I've heard some of you mention personal readers. When you put together poems/stories for students do they each have their own folders for multiple reading? Do you prefer 3 ring binders or the cheaper/smaller paper folders with metal clips style?

75% of the students in my new K class are ESL learners. Any tips on using this strategy with second language learners would also be appreciated.
 
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Hi Smiles66,
Unfortunately those folders are at school, but I can tell you what I did. I bought the jacket folders or folders sealed on 3 sides. I made labels for the titles of the books. The copy of the book fits inside the folder. On the outside of the folder I also put a green color-coded label identifying which reading strategy the book can be used to teach. I also found information using picture books to teach writing skills. So, I placed a yellow color-coded label on the outside for the writing as well. Not all books have both,but some do. I then made a spreadsheet with all of the information and use it to do my search for reading/writing strategy examples in mini-lessons. The folders/books are in a file cabinet alphabetically by title. Not all books fit into the pocket folder so I just put the folder inside the book. I would attach my spreadsheet, but I read somewhere else where you don't get the option to attach anything until you have been a member for awhile. ??? I was searching once and found a site that gives summaries of books and sometimes activities. So, I went down through those titles, copied off what matched my books, and put that information in the folder as well. Hope this explains it!
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hi. i am just wondering if it is ok to ask some questions about chapter 5. i went to the library today and got some of the books that debbie miller suggests for discussing schema. the books i got today were:
"I Know a Lady", "Ira Sleeps Over", "The Relatives Came" and "Hazel's Amazing Mother". I would love to know of anyone who has used these books in their classroom and the kinds of questions you posed to get a discussion going on using schema in our reading. if anyone has used any of the other books mentioned by debbie miller, i would love to hear your suggestions on schema. right now i am just concentrating on that...preparing myself for the beginning of the year. i hope to get into schema by october with my kindergarten students. do you think that sounds reasonable???

also, i plan on starting the year with an "all about me" unit. any good suggestions for quality literature to use in my read alouds and the questioning strategies that you used with those books would be so helpful. thanks!
 
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Creative Minds,
What a wonderful way to organize! I would neve have thought to do that and must make myself try to do it this summer. I would love to see your spreadsheet if you can attach it (I'm not sure if you can attach it or not - check your own page to see. I think it says attachements at the bottom?) Let me know! Thanks for sharing !
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Hi, i teach k! I used The Relatives Came as one of my first schema lessons and used Ira Sleeps Over after that.

The very first lesson I did, however, was with Oliver Button is a Sissy. I actually did everything a little backwards, since I hadn't read through her book the entire way yet-- I had already taught the kids about making connections to what they read, but hadn't taught them the word schema.

I read Oliver, and then had the kids tell me some of their connections (there were about 4 main ones, so I recorded those on a chart). Then, we actually tallied beside each connection. For each connection, the kids made a tally for "I had that connection too!", or "I do not connect with that part." After looking at the chart, I asked the big question: "Why don't we all have the same connections? We've all heard the same story, so why don't we all feel the same way?"

then we went through each connection one by one, and recorded some reasons. For example, the first connection might have looked like this:

Connection: I like to dance too, and sometimes I feel embarrassed.
Had that connection: 6 tallies
Didn't: 11 tallies
Reason why some people didn't have that connection: "I just don't like to dance."

Over a couple of days, we did this for each connection, until the kids came to the realization that the reason our connections are different is because we are different from each other. We like different things and have done different things in our lives. That's when I introduced the word schema.

You wouldn't have to make a chart and do so much writing with K, but I think I'll do something along these lines.

After doing a couple more schema lessons and modeling, I did the one that Debbie Miller did (I forget what book she used-- I used the Relatives Came). The kids told me their connections as we read, and I recorded them. Then, we read the book a couple more times before revisiting our list. At that time, we coded our list of connections: 1 for this connection really helped me understand and 2 for this connection doesn't make the story clearer for me. I think these kinds of lessons are crucial to focus on, otherwise- kids think a connection is just saying whatever they can think of or make up, and they don't see the purpose behind making them at all. The one thing I might do differently is do the same activity, but trade lists (of connections) with another first grade teacher, because I had a problem with kids feeling overly boastful when their's got marked with a 1, and kids feeling shy when we put a 2 by their's. (I thought they wouldn't remember or care who said what, but of course they did!!)

Also, I think October is a perfectly fine time to expect to get into this stuff!
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I am so thrilled to be getting so many wonderful ideas. I need some help for the beginning of the year and I would love to hear feedback as I can see a bunch of talented teachers on this site. I have taught in CA, MA, (both reader and writer workshop friendly!) and now I teach in FL where everyone looks at me like I am a space alien when I mention Reader's/Writer's workshop. Does anyone else have that problem? This is my 3rd year in FL and I have tried to do pieces of her work as I did them daily in the other states I taught in.

I now want to do it full swing next year, so I need some help. My principal is supportive as long as of course I know my stuff. I teach second grade and after rereading chapter 1-3, I have some questions for all of you. I teach departmentally so I only teach Reading and Writing... 25 kids in the AM and 25 kids in the PM as I switch with my Math/content partner teacher.. Our time is very limited and we are using the Open Court Reading Series (yuk!). I basically have only 2 hours with each group for reading and writing... not enough for even an hour considering i have to fit in phonics, spelling and writers workshop. I know time is always a struggle but I am challenged on how to structure my day. i want to go at it as best I can from the beginning. she says 3 days is not enough.. what do you think? Can I do strategies for the basal stories on a couple of days and reader's workshop the rest? While I would like to mostly ignore Open Court, we are required to have 2 reading and 2 writing grades a week.. so that is a concern too as Readers workshop is not paper assessment based. I would be grateful for any ideas. Thanks!
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My friend taught in FL her first 2 years-- the same way you are talking about, departmentalized.

Couple questions:

Do you have to teach phonics and spelling separately?

(This is where I save most of my time-- I've learned the kids do not need nearly as much detail as a lot of programs call for... they absorb so much from shared reading and shared writing, and then about 15 minutes of direct instruction on a certain pattern)

How much of the basal story are the kids responsible for knowing? In other words, does your district require that they know the story inside and out? Does your district test them on the basal strategies as they come?

(I think that you can cut a lot here, also-- depending on how much you are held accountable for)

If you compact these things, you may be able to get to a schedule something like this:

Morning/Afternoon Message- 10 minutes (use as shared reading for decoding strategies, phonics patterns, interactive writing, review of previous day)

Phonics- 15 minutes (be very direct and get it over with! I find they retain it better this way anyways)

= 35 minutes
HEre's an idea for the workshops: Maybe each day, you do both reader's and writer's workshop, but only choose to do one mini-lesson. Kids need to read and write everyday, but they don't necessarily need a different mini-lesson everyday

Reader's Workshop Mini-lesson-- here, do either a DM mini-lesson or a basal one. Even if it's basal, don't so much concentrate on getting each child to read every word-- focus on what every kid can get out of it, regardless of level. This probably means comprehension strategies. 20 minutes at the most
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Writer's Workshop Mini-lesson (these are usually shorter, so you'll gain time-- 10 minutes)

= 55 minutes on RW days, and only about 45 minutes on WW days

Independent Reader's Workshop and Conferring/ Guided reading- 30 minutes

= 1. 5 hours

Writer's Workshop 30 minutes

= 2 hours

Because writer's workshop mini-lessons are so much shorter, then on the day that you do that, you'll gain time for writing. On the other days, the writing could be shorter. Hope that helps a little... you have a tough job ahead with that amoutn of time but you are doing your kids SUCH a favor (as I'm sure you know!!!)
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BookMuncher, thank you for your reply. I appreciate you taking the time and it gave me some good ideas.

I start school in a couple of weeks so I am trying to organize the little things that need ordering. I looked up the Katherine Dines CD's on amazon but I could not find the track called "All Around the World". Does anyone know which CD it is on in the Hunkta Bunkta Collection? I did find the CD for "One Earth" by Rosenshontz that she mentions for sharing. I checked the index of the book and I couldn't find any songs she uses except the "One Earth". If anyone has the names of the CD's that she uses, please let me know so I can order them before school starts. Thanks so much!
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Hello everyone,

As I am starting school soon, I wanted to get feedback from other experienced teachers about really important beginning mini lessons that you feel are imperative for the first couple of weeks. I teach second grade and sometimes I feel strained coming up with more challenging and worthwhile mini-lessons in the first few weeks. It seemed so much easier in K and 1st for me because the children did not know as much.

Any ideas? I was thinking we could maybe start a list of good beginning of the year mini-lessons.
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Hi eveyone,
I know that eveyone is busy getting their minds around how to implement Debbie Miller in their classrooms, but I just finished my Reading Specialist Course and focused my leadership research on Debbie Miller and the reading strategies. I just wanted to direct your attention to an article I found really interesting. Sandra Grimes, from Baltimore, changed her school around using Debbie Miller's book.....take a look, you will be surprised at her conclusions. Here is the link...
http://www.schoollibraryjournal.com/.../CA413010.html

How inspiring!
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I rechecked Katharine Dine's site, Hunktabunkta music. The correct title to the song is "All the Way Around the World". Sorry, I wrote it wrong before. Anyway, here is the site where you can check out the songs:

http://www.hunktabunkta.com/productcatalog.html

You can even listen to some of the songs if you look further into the site. Hope it helps. Susan/3rd/IN
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I forgot to write in that the song is on the CD titled Hunktabunkta Boo 2. Susan/3rd/IN
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Thanks Creativeminds! I got the CD used from Amazon for a good price so I am awaiting its arrival.
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So I just finished this chapter and I want to discuss the Work activity time. I have to admit, the children making inferences and then building clay models, or playing teacher for connections did not seem to be a reality. I am optimistic as the next teacher, but it seems a little far fetched as I don't have time to let the students do even developmental play outside of readers workshop, writer's workshop, phonics, and hopefully guided reading groups.

Where does she find the time for that? I can picture work time in my class and incorporate her ideas, but I have trouble with it being so open and how to get them to that point. It was vague on how to get them there, without it just saying to let them explore the materials. I of course know you would show them examples and have them do it together, but I just can't wrap my head around this as I feel that some of the children may just plain waste their time.

What do you all think? Any ideas for meaningful center/work activity time? I am searching for new ideas to serve up this year. Let me know if anyone has had success with letting them completely go like that.
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Hi Everyone,
So far there has been a lot of great discussion throughout this thread. I've also seen a lot of other threads listing some other resources that support Miller's book. I'm wondering if we can somehow re-focus our discussion so that we maximize our learning and sharing? I think because we are starting the year soon, it would be a good time to discuss in depth. What does everyone think? Here is a starting point....
Training Discussion:
Miller states in her book that training is the first step to a successful program, and she spends a considerable amount of time training her kids. What training procedures will you be using the first month of school to set a positive climate in order for reading instruction to flourish? What resources will you be referring to?
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Did you know that you can "add a board" to your My Page? If you always want to see new posts in this room, you can go to the Sunflower Room, and then under board tools, click Add the board to My page.

I just thought that might be helpful, because I know that I check my My Page, but sometimes don't have time to check all the boards!! I think this Debbie Miller board might be dying b/c people don't check the new links on there very often (That's why I'm posting this on the most popular thread!). Maybe marking the board will help us with this!!

Let's get some new discussions going on the Sunflower Board!! Anyone start? Any thoughts?
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HI ALL!! I want to join if that is ok. I am new to implementing the happy reading program but I am inetrsted in leanring along with you. I have my bins and songs all set to go. I am startign iwth a just right book choice lesson foloowed by schema. What chapter are we discussing?
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Hi there,
I am just finishing "just right book selection" and will be starting on schema! I'm glad you have found our board.....it seems to be fading a little. Let's get some discussion about schema going!
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i had students make a self protrait and then put out a few different lines and they drew symbols to show some of the prior knowlefge they had etc. The book "the relatives came" is a good one to help talk and discuss schema.
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Thanks for responding Readinglady! Which books did you use as your think alouds? Have you used any that you found really neat besides Miller's suggestions? Thanks again!
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I used "the relatives came" and some of miller's suggestions. What other lessons have you done besides the schema and text to self connections...?
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I just started reading Debbie Miller's book. I am already enthralled and hoping that I can find some type of workshop to attend. I've been searching on the web and I'm not finding anything. Does anyone know who schedules her workshops or how to find out when they are?
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Cindy, I know that SDWorkshops schedules some of her workshops, but I haven't seen anything, and I check it daily. I would love to go see her. i heard she would be in Canada and Washington state, and I think also Texas. All too far for me! As I am in NJ. I can't seem to find out who else schedules her, so that I can check their site. So if anyone hears anything please post!

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Actually, I just realized it is Ontario, Ca. i don't kow if that helps you out.
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Hello All, I have a question. I started the year off using Debbie Miller's RW. things were going really well. Then the nay sayers said that is too long of a reading period. (They didn't read Mosaic, On Solid Ground, Growing Readers, or Reading with Meaning; like I did). So I went to formal GR groups and centers. Being I was new to 2nd grade... Anyway, my 'centers' were all reading based: poetry, word work/grammar, independent reading and book club. I want to go back to my RW however I just intorduced Lit Circles and want to have the children do that. I was wondering what people's thoughts were on that. I would start off with a strategy (inferring is what's on my mind), and then send them off to have at it. Anyway, as you can see sleep isn't in the cards for me tonight, I forgot to take my Tylenol PM, and I am now payng for it!!!!!!!!!
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This is the link for anyone in the CA area that can go see Debbie Miller. I emailed them to try and get info in the NJ/PA area. So lets keep our fingers crossed.

http://www.ceea.org/seminars.asp
Hope this helps someone to get there!
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Thanks for making this available! I teach 4th, however, have been using these strategies this year. I have't read Debbie Miller, yet she is referred to in Mosiac, STW, and The Daily 5 (which I have read).
Can anyone recommend children's books for the following:
Vietnam War & other wars
Nascar
I have a few boys that are really interested in these topics, yet I have nothing in my classroom library on these topics. I've searched Amazon, Borders, and Walden as well as eBay. I only found 1 Nascar book (flap book) for kids and the other books (war) seemed too 'adult like' in content. Also, I can not locate Jerry Spinelli's audiotape of "Loser" - it seems to be out of stock on line as well. Any ideas?
Thanks for sharing ideas!
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I have read Debbie Miller's Reading With Meaning but I was wondering if anyone knows of a book similar for grades 4 and up. Any help would be great.
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Old 03-06-2008, 03:23 PM
 
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I have the book Starategies that Work. It is a great book. The lessons go great with Debbie Miller's books. The only thing is, the lessons are targeted for older grades. I teach 2nd, but still find many ways to incorprate the lessons into my reading instruction.
 
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Our school will be its first year this year and we will begin with Kindergarten. Our principal is amazing and she picked Debbie Miller's Reading With Meaning book as one of our book studies books.
I have read through half of it and I can't wait to use this approach to reading. My students have always become successful readers and I have never used her approach. I am so excited to see just how much more wonderful they will be when I use these strategies to back up their comprehension and reading skills. All of these skills, although they are described as they are used in a 1st grade class, can be used in Kindergarten. There is no need to water them down. Children will learn what they are taught when they are taught with enthusiasm and respect and high expectations.
 
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The book "To Understand" by Ellin Oliver Keene is supposed to be a fantastic resource - like a counterpart to Debbie Miller's "Reading with Meaning" just geared to older kids. Ellin Keene actually wrote the forward to "Reading with Meaning," and I believe Debbie Miller wrote the forward to "To Understand"
 
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Hi,
We're just starting doing guided reading in our k classrooms. Though it's been a while since you posted this, I'd be very interested in all that you have to offer. Actually, you're probably really great at this, since it's almost 2 years since your post - or at least, the one I found. I'm still exploring this wonderful website! Thanks so much/
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I use weekly poems with my kindergarten, first and second grade literacy support students. We use them for word families, sight words, fluency, vocabulary and visual imaging exercises. They love to see how they improve their fluency through the week. At the end of the week I always give them a copy of the poem to illustrate and take home. I love your idea of creating individual poetry books that they could continue to use for rereading and that they could bring home at the end of the year! I will definitely do this next year.
 
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Has anyone come up with a year long plan of which strategies you will implement and how long you plan to spend on each one. Sort of a schedule of the strategies for the year. DM didn't really give a breakdown of how she spaced it out during the year. I'm a very linear thinker. I need to see where I'm going. I'm planning on starting with schema of course but for how long and then what next?
 
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I do each of my units for about 4-5 weeks, except mental images, which is typically 3. I do them in this order:

Launching RW - Sept
Schema/Connections - October
Asking Questions - November
Mental Images - December
Inferring - January
Non-Fiction - February
Determining Importance in Fiction - March
Synthesizing - April and May

This gives a little wiggle room, and my units tend to go a little longer than one month, but hopefully you get the picture!
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Thanks so much for your reply. It sounds really manageable. I'm going to use it.
 
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I just joined because of your post on getting together a book list that will work with Debbie Miller's book. I just read "Teaching with Intention," and am very interested as an upcoming new teacher to start collecting books. Let me know if it is too late to join and what book you are reading. Thanks so much. Rayne
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I just went to a conference with Debbie Miller and would love to be part of a conversation about implementing RW and Debbie Miller's ideas into the classroom. I would love any book ideas. Are people still checking this site?
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