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Old 05-25-2019, 03:23 AM
 
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Can you please share how long this process takes in your school district? Specially, how long does it take for the FBA process to the creation of a BIP? Once the BIP is created, do you meet often to evaluate the effectiveness of the plan?

Some background, we have a new CSE chairperson, new behavior specialist, and new counselors. The entire process has never been clearly defined but in the past, plans were created and meetings were held often. This year, the entire process has fallen apart. From the start of the FBA process to finally getting a plan in teachers hands is taking 5-6 months or more. Then the plan is given to teachers, teachers are expected to collect data and then no meetings are taking place.

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Glad to respond, but what are FBA, BIP, and CSE?
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That amount of time doesn’t seem atypical. From initial observations and data collection in my district to a finalized BIP can easily take 3 to 5 months. Generally, it is the initial observations and interventions that take the longest. There is a required six-week time frame. The only exception would be extremely egregious behaviors.
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FBA=functional behavioral assessment
BIP=Behavior intervention plan
CSE=committee on special education
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Thanks for clearing up the acronyms.

In my district once you could convince the powers that be to assess a child, I believe they had either 60 or 90 days to do the assessments. It would take several meetings with gen ed teacher, P, and RSP (resource) teacher to get to that point.

Once assessments were done, I believe there was a short time period to put an IEP (individual education plan) in place. This would culminate in a final meeting with parent, gen ed teacher, P, and all resource teachers child would be seeing (RSP, speech, OT, PT, etc.)That usually meant accommodations to be done by gen ed teacher and pull out sessions with RSP teacher, maybe speech, etc. Teacher could see IEP goals if she asked for them. The actual IEP was confidential.

There would be a yearly review meeting to check in, change goals if needed, etc. Every three years there would be a triennial review which often included some retesting. Then another meeting with above mentioned crew.

In California, the time lines are required by law.


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Here anyway, you can do an FBA/BIP without the kid having an IEP and it doesn't lead to an IEP.

The process isn't very long here. The FBA takes some legwork, but if the FBA indicates the need, the BIP follows very quickly. I'm on the team that handles all this.
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SO, I dont know if this would apply everywhere but...

Here an FBA is considered an assessment per child find just like any other and per the law you have 60 days to complete an assessment and have an amendment IEP to add the FBA to the students IEP

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You have at least 15 days to respond to or approve the assessment plan. [Cal. Ed.
Code Sec. 56321(c)(4).] Once the district has received the signed assessment plan,
it has 60 days (excluding days of school vacation in excess of five and days that
school is not in session) to complete the assessment and develop an Individualized
Education Program (IEP)
Now that isn't necessarily when you will get your BIP though it can be. Sometimes you then have a meeting just to share finding of what the FBA says the function of all that behavior is. At this time you might start working as a team to develop the BIP or you might find you need more data or the parent might request an IEE (Independent Educational Evaluation)-yes you can request an outside person do your FBA here because its considered an educational assessment.

If the FBA is sufficient, and every one is happy then you develop an initial BIP based on the information in the FBA-usually the behaviorist is the lead on this. Then you should set a timeline to monitor progress which will likely be 6-8 weeks because it takes time to see if it really working or not. Yes the teacher take a lot of data but the data should be serving a purpose-to show that the BIP is working or not.


So, it a process here and not a quick one but it should be faster and a more structured timeline that what you are seeing. Maybe this is gonna sound a little snarky but it seems like you school hasnt been sued in while and they starting to forget their legal obligations and the ramifications of not meeting them.
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Here anyway, you can do an FBA/BIP without the kid having an IEP and it doesn't lead to an IEP.

The process isn't very long here. The FBA takes some legwork, but if the FBA indicates the need, the BIP follows very quickly. I'm on the team that handles all this.
Here you can have BIP without an IEP (still you most likely have at least a 504 though) but not an FBA. These BIPs are usually pretty quick since they are just based on what stake holders are reporting without the lengthy observation process and the then the BIP isnt developed by the team. Its more like what the op described and they just give it to the teacher and expect her to make it work and no one ever follows up so its just more work for the teacher. These are usually for lower level behavior kids whose parents arent advocating because they are easier and cheaper and doesn't have the clout of BIP thats part of an IEP-since without the IEP they are really more of a suggestion and are legal documents and contracts in the same way.
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If you are talking about identifying a child with an emotional/behavioral disability, that timeline seems right. Here, FBAs and BIPs can and are done without IEPs or 504s in place. It can take up to a month to get the FBA done and then develop the initial plan, and then problem solving meetings depend on how the child is doing. If the child is doing fine, we may check in at 6 weeks and decide not to have another formal meeting. If the child is a case where behaviors are very extreme, the counselor/psych and teacher might meet every 1-2 weeks. For other kids, we meet every 1-2 months.

For putting a behavior IEP in place, you would have to do several rounds of intervention first, document non-response and parent involvement, etc. and then sign permission for formal testing if data warranted it. Once permission is signed, we have 60 days to complete the testing and then an additional 30 to complete the IEP (we almost always just do the eval and IEP at the same time rather than taking the additional 30 days unless there is a weird parent situation or something).

The IEP will have a "formal" BIP as part of it if the child is identified with a emotional/behavioral disability. However, this is honestly the exact same thing that was in place throughout the MTSS process- it's just documented on different paperwork. People at my school are so desperate to get the official IEP and it truly changes nothing other than the child having a pile of papers attached to their name. If anything, problem solving becomes less because there is then only one yearly guaranteed meeting for the IEP, whereas unidentified students are met about very frequently.

Depending on what the goals are, sometimes the psych monitors them and sometimes the teacher does. Something like work completion needs to be done by the teacher because the psych has no way of knowing that data. If it's something like attention to task, the psych might come in and take time samples for the goal.
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Here you can have BIP without an IEP (still you most likely have at least a 504 though) but not an FBA.
That's really weird to me...the FBA leads to the BIP. How do you write a BIP without the FBA to justify its creation/need?

The process Haley describes is also my experience.


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That's really weird to me...the FBA leads to the BIP. How do you write a BIP without the FBA to justify its creation/need?
Tell me about it-a BIP without an FBA is a waste of time...and yet my sons first 3 BIPS were done without FBA because, and I quote, "Those are just for severe behaviors rather than for kids with more mild behavior issues so we usually only do them after we have tried everything else".

And that's for a child with an IEP with ED as a secondary.

He was even sent to a non-public school without ever getting an FBA. I finally called in the big guns and demanded one this year and I made it clear that I would need PWN if they turned me down for it again this year because the PWN was going straight to an attorney.

I got a student this year with a BIP that was not based on an FBA-it doesn't make a whole lot of sense and it didn't work. I developed my own thing figuring I could push it back to the team if my own thing didn't work (thankfully it worked fine and it was a banner year for the student). And my student with the BIP made without an FBA-504 plan of ODD only- but with a serious track record who even had police called on her last year for assaulting staff.

I think because the FBA is considered an assessment here so its like an illusive unicorn. You have to be lucky to ever see one, but if you do its pretty special,
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Not snarky...I agree and feel the same way! I approached the CSE chairperson as our building union rep. Many teachers in our building are frustrated with how long the process is taking and then once a BIP is in place, the teachers collect data and turn it in to the behavior specialist but we never meet again. Frankly, I’m shocked that a teacher can identify a behavior issue and then it would take 5 months or more before there is a BIP then never evaluate the effectiveness of the plan. I know it isn’t intentional however, this clearly isn’t working. We have a lot of kids with severe behavioral issues and it’s not getting any better.

In our state, only students with an IEP can have an FBA that leads to a BIP. In you have a student who isn’t identified as having a disability but has behavioral issues, the school will assess the function of the behavior through an FBT (function behavior thinking) then create a BIP.
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