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Old 08-16-2019, 05:39 AM
 
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Our Behavior Specialist came to my school the other day and essential told me all about who her favorite teachers were, why she loved them, who she thought was “unaccommodating,” who she thought was “not strong with behavior,” so on and so forth. She also evaluated the teaching styles of all of the educators in the school and gave me her two cents about each of them.

I’m pretty disgusted by it. This woman taught 1 year in her career before deciding it was not for her. Now because she is a “behavior specialist,” she views herself as a pseudo administrator who has the appropriate credentials to evaluate everyone.

I am really unsettled about the conversation.


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Old 08-16-2019, 05:49 AM
 
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That's horrifying and extremely unprofessional! Her job should be about supporting teachers with helping students with behavioral struggles, not evaluating them, and certainly not gossiping about them.
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Whoa! She would be in major trouble if she did that here. Did you call her on it? I would have.
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This would unsettle me as well. Step one, steer clear of her whenever possible. If she talked about other teachers, she will talk about you. Keep conversations focused on facts.

And, the next time she starts this style of conversation, you are within your rights to say “I am not comfortable listening to this. It feels like an invasion of privacy.” Which it is. She has no business telling you all this.
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Old 08-16-2019, 07:15 AM
 
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Wow! Very unprofessional! I agree wholeheartedly with Keltikmom’s suggestions and response.


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Old 08-16-2019, 12:27 PM
 
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I would stay away from her as someone else suggested . She is treading on thin ice and could get written up. Many districts have policies against this type of behavior. So do many union contracts.

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I hope you let her know she was being unprofessional.
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I remember one parent who came to open house and started pointing out all the "problem children." As it turned out, they were fine, but she actually helped me learn more about her then she realized. So has your new "friend."
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I am the teacher who says not to
and never tells on other teachers.
In many years of teaching, I have had to "defend myself 2x from teachers who were liars. (After they told lies about me.) That is the closest I have ever come to telling on someone.
Maybe this is just not that her lucky day because I think I'd find a way to get that B and the info she spread to you straight to the superintendent bypass go and everyone in between.
I'd do it through a friend of a friend that could not be tied back to me. I have thought about doing that for years, but after this week, she'd be toast! GRRRRRR......
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Old 08-16-2019, 06:06 PM
 
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Whoa! She would be in major trouble if she did that here. Did you call her on it? I would have.
I agree.
I would have shut that conversation down with a pretty firm reminder about professional responsibilities and boundaries.
I confess to enjoying the odd piece of gossip but this was not gossip. This was wrong.

As teachers we are bound by Professional Standards of Practice, not to mention our responsibilities as union/federation members. Evaluation is not done by colleagues. Evaluation is the duty and job of those with Additional Responsibilities --i.e. principals.

Does she still belong to the teaching profession? If so she is required to abide by the Professional Standards.
In my province she could end up in "The Blue Pages".


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I might be way too honest here - if I saw a good teacher, I would brag about them in the hallways "Ms. X/Mr. X she did a super awesome project with their students, and the kids were engaged." However, I didn't share about the negative feelings, I had towards individuals. Read Liz Ryan and Travis Bradbury articles, and leave a copy of them in her box.

By the way, this sounds like my last principal. She was a doozie, I am still realing from.
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Oh wow! That got me mad just reading what you wrote!! I agree with all above PP"s!
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I do not know what credentials
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and degrees this woman has. My DD is a developmental psychologist. Her new job requires her to go into preschool programs and observe children with behavior problems and as part of that she observes the teacher. She NEVER talks to anyone, except the teacher in a private setting, about what she observes. She could lose her job and her license for doing that even once.

Are you willing to talk to her supervisor? This woman is going to do a lot of harm to the children, the staff and the school. Rules of confidentiality with children with special needs are really strict.
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In my school all these 'pseudo administrators' who do not have students all day long and therefor have time sit in the committees and meetings with administration, and really influence whom the administration views as a good teacher or as a problem. It is very unsettling. I overheard a specialist say that she thought a teacher was not good because she did not use a method the specialist recommended. I had collaborated with the teacher and I think she was excellent, kids made lots of progress and parents loved her. She was let go at the end of the year. I know it was because the specialist put the idea that she was not good into the admins mind.
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Old 08-18-2019, 05:10 AM
 
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Some of these masters degree types have no teaching experience, yet they act like know-it-alls about education. I've never worked at a district with a behavior specialist, and I don't blame anybody for getting a better job, but I'm very skeptical about this position. I highly doubt that a person can get a graduate degree and actually know anything special about managing extreme behaviors, particularly when a lot of research I've seen basically just advocates letting kids do whatever they want with total impunity. If you were to compare two districts with the same SES demographics, one with a behavior specialist and one without, you would see no difference between behavioral outcomes. Knowing that these type of people really don't know anything special, it's irritating hearing them act like experts on education.
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Some of these masters degree types...
I'm somewhat offended by your Masters Degree remarks. In my state, a graduate degree is required for all teaching, counseling, specialist, etc. positions.

The OP's Behavior Specialist is extremely unprofessional and should be held accountable for her horrible breach of privacy and gigantic overstepping of her job description. It's got nothing to do with her degrees or her title. I bet she would be just as unprofessional in any occupation.
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Surly, you hit the nail on the head. You summed up exactly what I was thinking.

Jov, you also make a good point about the MA degrees. I think what frustrates Surly and me is that this woman, who only has one year of teaching experience (15 years ago) and a masters degree in something other than education, believes she has the credentials to evaluate teachers. Not only does she evaluate teachers, but she evaluates nearly every employee at the school. She even goes as far as evaluating our EBD teacher who has 20 years of successful experience with kids with extreme behaviors. She runs to admin and tells them all of the things about this teacher she dislikes. Unfortunately admin often believe her, because it is just easier for them to blame the teacher when a kid breaks a window. It is incredibly self righteous and is really making me angry right now...I’m also a hormonal wreck right now. Lol!!

Update on that kid who broke the window: he is now mainstreamed over 50% of his day and having very minimal behaviors. His teacher has done outstanding work with him.
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Old 08-18-2019, 04:35 PM
 
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Thanks. I totally get it! I guess the wording just got me going.
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