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On this board, I often see teachers transferring because of bad P's, difficult co-workers, kids, or general school climate. I wonder how many people have had successful moves and how many people have found themselves in the same boat or worse at their new school.
I tend to be 1 who has found that all schools have their own sets of problems. I have never transferred, but moved away far 2X over many yrs. The school I am at now is way worse in some ways than where I last came from, but it has advantages the other schools did not have. I am too old to transfer now....lol Major age discrimination where I am at...I do not know if I am hopeful if a transfer would be better. I guess it depends on where you end up. Any stories...good or bad are welcome!


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Well, every school has its problem. I think of schools like buying houses, what are your negotiables and non-negotiables? Is it the principal? Other teachers? Student behavior?
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I switched districts in part because of a co-worker issues. There were only 2 of us on the grade-level and I didn't find out until later that she had driven off all of her previous teammates. I found a new job that was absolutely perfect - at the time it seemed like divine intervention!

Flash forward six years, and the perfect job has suddenly gotten worse because we got a new P. Rather than transferring again, I tried to address the issues with the P. Just made things worse! So now I am job hunting again. If my principal would leave I would stay, but she ain't leaving!

I feel like some things you can put up with (bad commute, lousy building, boring curriculum, etc.) but it's your coworkers who make or break the job.
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I transferred from a school with a bad climate to a new school. It was fine for 6 years until we got a new P who was nuts. I was able to leave for a new job that wasn't in a school, so I did.
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Iíve made one move due to poor admin, too many students daily, and long hours. Five years later it is still going so very much better!

Itís funny because the old school was the subject/grade I always thought I wanted and my current one is a position Iíd never dream of being in, let alone enjoy, but my whole life is better due to the change of schools.


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I have know a lot of people who have changed schools, but there is really only one who I know well enough to have kept up with her on a personal level after the move.

She is just as miserable at the new school as she was at our school. She essentially traded one set of issues for another.

I've always had the mindset that I am working at the school where I wanted to work, so I'm going to make it work. I've outlasted coworkers, students, administrators, and initiatives that weren't great. I'm 25 years in at this point, but it's working for me.
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I've taught at three schools. The first move---I wish it could have been avoided. I was moving to be closer to DD's preschool and to have a larger place to live. The school I moved to was horrible. Toxic coworker and chaos with admin. I feel fortunate to have landed at a school that I've taught at for ten years. It's definitely had it's ups and downs.
I'm considering leaving again. If I get a job at a different school in a grade/subject that I'd enjoy, great. I'm aware enough of the "bad" schools to not get into an obvious problem....which isn't to say that I won't end up some place with problems. They just won't be the immediate problems that I have which are: weak and scared admin and an awful reading specialist that I'd have to work with more closely next year. Admin likes my grade level well-enough but our reading test scores are slightly below the math test scores so she doesn't like ANY reading teacher as well as she likes the math teachers. She thinks the new reaidng specialist she hired walks on water. New reaidng specialist is amongst the worst I've worked with.
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I think my priorities would be having a decent P and fun coworkers. I have learned to deal w/ rowdy kids, ridiculous changes, and bad programs. I just remember how nice it used to be when the teachers were more cooperative than competitive. We do have some nice teachers, but a really crazy (screaming lady) who snaps on kids, other teachers, and even the P is too scared of her to do anything! I guess I just never really knew how to scope out a school ahead of time. Having good friends at another school would def give insight. It is kind of like buying a house....lol I just always took the 1st job offered, I guess.
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Yeah, I think about P's leaving...maybe cus my 1st half of my career I saw P's come and go. I always figured I could "outlast" them...lol But, we have 1 now who doesn't seem to be budging either! Thank goodness for the 6 good yrs!
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You got 6 good yrs in too...same as above. I have been pondering nonschool jobs too for awhile. It is good you could get out of there when you had a P who was nuts!


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Well, every school has its problem. I think of schools like buying houses, what are your negotiables and non-negotiables? Is it the principal? Other teachers? Student behavior?
I agree with this. My first move was from a job that I really liked (not that there weren't a few issues, everywhere has something) because I hated living in that area. My new job was an absolute nightmare, mostly due to the leadership both in the building and at the district level.

My current school can be a tough place to work, but is absolutely nothing like that 2nd school I worked at. I've never worked for a P/AP I liked as much as my first set, but again, have seen nothing like I did at that 2nd school here. The P at my 2nd school would do daily walkthroughs and leave 20+ negative comments. She finally said about halfway through the year that she would leave positive comments when our state test scores were 80% proficient or higher (this was an inner city school). She played people off of each other, she bit off your head if you asked a question in a staff meeting, etc. I could write paragraphs about how bad she was.

I don't like the direction my current district is going in, especially for my department. My P is nice enough and my evals have been good, but she mostly ignores my department. The bad part about that is we're often left out of the loop and don't get a lot of support when needed. The good part is that we're mostly under the radar and can do what we want, unlike other areas of the school which are very micromanaged. We're a fairly self-sufficient team, so we don't always need a lot of support.

I have really thought about leaving, mostly due to the issues at the district level (things that impact my day-to-day that my P has no control over), but due to my experience at my 2nd school I am so afraid of jumping from the frying pan to the fire. Unless you personally know someone that works there, how do you know the culture of the building is like or what your new teammates or P will be like?

At my 2nd school, the P that hired me in the spring ended up leaving, so I no warning that crazy town was coming in. Even though I had no warning there, she seemed very nice and I later learned that she was hated and the teachers were thrilled when she left. The teachers I interviewed with seemed happy. From sitting in the office before the interview, people that came in and out seemed happy. It appeared there was low turnover, because when I was hired my opening was the only one posted. Many, many others were posted as summer went on and people got other positions.
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I am glad it worked out for you! That gives me a bit of hope that it can get better!
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Trading 1 set of problems for another is what holds me back from moving. I have outlasted many people over the yrs too. Not always easy, but life isn't easy!
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I think you are right ...10 yrs has it's ups and downs probably at any job. I can relate to your rdg specialist. Ours has no experience, but considers herself an expert. (She'll brag incessantly even around teachers who have taught kids to read for the last 20 yrs...lol) For some crazy reason ( maybe young and blonde), our P likes her too! I think they both share about the same amount of knowledge when it comes to teaching. I hope if you get an opportunity to go, you'll be rid of the weak admin too!
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I think things could be worse! You never know if a P will stay or go. Most teachers are too afraid to say anything bad about their school unless you are tight friends w/ them. People act happy when they are not. So how do we know if it will be worse or better? I dread the 1st 3 yrs if I moved too because those always seem like when you get "tried" the most. After a few yrs, usually people know you. I think it is smart of you to realize that it is better to be ignored than micromanaged! That is insane the P who would leave 20 negative comments! Right now, I am just tired of it all. Hopefully, tomorrow will be a better day!
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My first teaching job was in a really poor performing district school where I was sent to establish a drama program (despite it being my first year and never having really taken a drama class). It was bad. Like BAD.

I moved to a new district, teaching a new subject (same grade levels) and it's a different world. At my current school, there is so much support, so many cooperative teachers, and truly caring admin.
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I was moved around my district without being asked multiple times. I was essentially pushed out. I was offered a lot of jobs out of district, but as a Catholic I knew the real issue was the parents didn't believe in my religious or disciplinary beliefs. I took a pay cut and went to a Catholic school. I know I can't teach in public schools. If I had no found this job, I was going to go in real estate.
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I've worked at multiple schools and multiple districts over my teaching career, so I have a lot of different environments to compare. While it's true that every school has its issues, they are not all the same severity. I've been at some schools where it was truly horrible for various reasons- I could not have remained a teacher and stayed there. It was extremely stressful in so many ways. Other schools had issues- they all have something- but they were pretty manageable and I was basically happy there.The problems mostly amounted to annoyances.

If someone is truly unhappy at their school and is finding it unbearable, I think it's perfectly reasonable to transfer and take their chances at a new place. If, on the other hand, they are finding things at their school irritating or annoying, that is just normal for a school (or any workplace). If they transfer to another school, there will certainly be something else that is annoying or irritating.

So, people just need to really determine if their problems at a school are big ones or little ones.
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I'm retired now, but I worked at five schools during my career. There never is a perfect situation but, obviously, some environments are better than others.

There are schools with very difficult parents but high achieving students. Others have needy kids but lots of support from the administration. There are schools with great principals, and others with awful ones. Some buildings are old and decrepit, and others are new or recently renovated.

It comes down to what works best for the individual teacher. The profession has gotten very stressful and exhausting in recent years. If I was still working I would like a supportive principal and nice coworkers.

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Switching schools for me was a very positive change. I transferred mainly because we bought our first home farther out and I was a new mommy so a long commute would have been a pain. My previous school was a large suburban school that was super micromanaged and had a ton of meetings each week. My current is on the outskirts and super small (with only one or two teachers per gradelevel). There is a ton of independence, barely any oversight really, and meetings only once or twice a month. The part that I like best is that we don't have to do lots of meaningless paperwork so I am able to stick close to contract hours without taking work home...which of course means more time with my 3yo and my baby on the way. I'm so thankful switched!
The downside is that class sizes can get large and since the admin is more informal sometimes info is delivered last minute.

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I am considering a move, but I'm at a school where 1) parents are respectful and supportive 2) admin is supportive 3) I like most of my coworkers.

I'm going into an unknown because I have a terrible commute and want to be closer to my family. Its such a big change but I'm hopeful.

Now that I read all of this I think.... I have the perfect situation! Why would I leave it?!!!!!
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It is good to know that there are better jobs out there. I am glad you were able to find one!
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It is great you found the awareness to know public school was not for you and were able to move on to something more fitting. We don't have any Catholic schools where I live. I remember from childhood ( another state) where some friends went. The Catholic school was very strict. ( Kids had to tow the line or their parents would get on them too!) Oh, those were the days! It was pretty much the same in public schools back then though.
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I think your post made me realize or remember that the key words are "unbearable vs irritating, or annoying." I am not in an unbearable place. Things can just get irritating at times. Probably just like any other job. I think I am just getting tired and need to prepare for retirement.
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I think "exhausting" hits the nail on the head! I am so tired lately. I think most of the stress too leads to the exhaustion. I spent the 1st half of my career in a very different (almost opposite) environment to where I am now. I loved my other school, but the workload was even heavier there. I can't even imagine keeping up w/ the pace I used to work. Well, you are my role model. ( Retired....lol) I should have made better financial decisions in my youth and I would not still be working. A lesson to any young teachers out there now. Plan for retirement!!
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I am happy for you that you found a place that works best for you!
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I think you have an ideal school if 1) parents are respectful and supportive 2) admin is supportive 3) You like most of your coworkers. I spent half of my career in a school like that, but then we moved faraway. It is good to have hope and to be close to family too. I hope you are able to make the right decision for you.
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My first year of teaching was in a rough school. The P was a bully, co-workers were burnt out, and it was an awful experience.

I changed schools and it was like night and day! I couldn't believe there was such a huge difference.

Since then I've had amazing principals and awful ones.... and several in-between. I've seen 6 P's come and go, so when we get a bad one I just remind myself that it may not last long and to just stick it out. I also have a coworker who's an adult tattle tale and runs to the P about everything, but yet she's doing a million things wrong on her own. I know eventually she'll get caught. Our P is one who piles more on our plates than one person can possibly do, but I know eventually she'll be gone and there will be a new "problem". Other than those 2 things, I still love my school.
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