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Need Opinions about testing for Special Ed
Old 12-03-2018, 06:57 PM
 
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I wonder if anyone can help me. I am a fourth-grade teacher. I have a student that his third-grade teacher feels he should be tested for special ed resources, so an IEP. She is also on the RTI team. This student scored 4's on his ISAT in math and ELA at the end of 3rd grade. He is in RTI for fluency. His last three Aims Web fluency scores at a 3rd-grade level were 114, 129, 93 WCPM. I just tested him and he got 85 WCPM on a 4th-grade level. This teacher is concerned about his writing. It is rough, but not as bad as others. He has the form down, his spelling and penmanship are just really bad. My question is should he be tested or not? Our special education teacher does not feel he needs to be tested. I trust her judgment. She is a specialist. I don't feel he needs to be tested either.
This 3rd-grade teacher threw a fit today when she found out we are not testing him. Our principal is afraid of this teacher and does whatever she wants. I need some outside opinions. I have a meeting with the RTI team on Friday about this student and need to feel more confident going in.



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Old 12-03-2018, 07:45 PM
 
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Nothing jumps out at me that says the child needs to be tested. The fluency on the 4th grade passage is borderline low, but would not qualify for an IEP in my state (students have to be at the 12th percentile or lower). That's also only one data point. Poor spelling and penmanship alone would also not qualify the student as having a disability. The 3rd grade fluency scores you listed are very good.

If I were making the decision, I would keep the current interventions in place and keep monitoring the child's progress to make sure he keeps advancing. If we were to recommend testing, we'd need at least 6 data points on Aims (we use DIBELS, but it's basically the same thing) at the 4th grade level showing the child wasn't progressing and was performing at or below the 12th percentile.

As far as the meeting on Friday, I think you should ask the sped teacher what would be helpful to bring. IME each building is different as far as what they value at these meetings. Maybe ask about bringing writing samples for other students in the class to show that this student isn't that far off of the norm. I'd also look at overall grades and reading assessments- is the fluency impacting his ability to do reading assignments or tests? If so, to what degree? How does his performance on those assessments compare to the class average?

I hope your sped teacher doesn't cave here. Evaluating and doing all of the required paperwork is very time consuming and testing someone only because a previous teacher "threw a fit" is a huge waste of time and resources that could be going to other students. If I were in her situation I sure would appreciate the support of the current classroom teacher and would love it if you asked me what to bring to the meeting to help.
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Old 12-04-2018, 03:44 AM
 
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Why didn't she test him last year?
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She was pushing last year. They wouldn’t do it because the data did not show he needed it. I have writing samples for him and others in my class that I feel are at the same level or even below. I was planning on taking those Friday.

This third grade teacher even cussed out our school phycologist last year for not testing this kid. Yelled the “F” word at him. Then she brags about that to me. She is a bully. Very mean and vindictive.
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Old 12-04-2018, 06:54 AM
 
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Thank you! I love our sped teacher. She is underappreciated by our principal and feels overridden by her and this 3rd-grade teacher. Weird. My brother is a sped teacher in a different school district. He felt the same way about this kid not needing testing. If he were at my school no one would mess with him. He takes no crap! I wish he was there to put this teacher in her place.

Ha, I still need my big brother to come to my rescue.


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Just curious, what ever happened with this situation?
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