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My SPED director's newest scheme: How would this be received at your school?
Old 03-13-2017, 07:27 PM
 
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I've posted before that the bigwigs in my district are really pushing a "co-teaching" model even though we don't have near enough staff to do it (I work with 12 different gen ed teachers). We went to a metro area training the other day and the presenter was talking about how important it is for struggling readers to get an extra 30 minutes of intervention in addition to core instruction every day. I asked my director how we were going to do both that and co-teaching. She said that "her vision" is to have us doing just those 30 minute intervention blocks for our grade levels (4, for me) and then spending the rest of our day co-teaching. I asked how we were possibly going to meet hours that way- it's not logistically possible! She explained that we're moving in a direction where "IEP services" can really be met by anyone, including other specialists and gen ed teachers. For example, if the child's IEP says they get a daily 30 minute reading intervention group, they could be in the title 1 group, the EL group, or even a group with a classroom teacher instead of my group. Her plan for math is to have a "really strong gen ed teacher" doing those services (currently, no one but SPED does math interventions). So instead of getting math services with me, the child's IEP could say that their classroom teacher will do a daily small group/reteach with them or even that they'll go into another classroom teacher's room for re-teaching during math time and this would count as "services." Any "co-teaching" from us will be during the core reading block.

I think the rest of our staff is going to be LIVID about this. Although this notion is sometimes misguided, they fight for kids to get IEPs so they can get "extra help." Frankly, if I were the classroom teacher (I have taught gen ed) and I went through all the RtI hoops to get an IEP only to be told that the IEP is basically documentation of the small groups I already do in my room, I'd be pretty irritated. Our title 1 teacher is also often usually pushing for the lowest kids to get IEP services...I don't think she's going to be happy that the "IEP services" could be the same group they've been getting all along with her. When I was talking about this in team meeting today, the rest of my team thought I was totally nuts. They said I wasn't "giving the teachers enough credit" and that they'd be happy that the child got the IEP for documentation purposes and that the IEP has "always been a plan for what everyone will do for the child, not just SPED teachers." I think they're being really na´ve. What do you think?

BTW- We're not allowed to modify tests/grades/assignments for anyone, so getting an IEP is no help there. Accommodations (even for state tests) can also be given to any student regardless of if they have an IEP or not. So really, IMO the only "big benefit" to getting an IEP over an RtI plan currently is getting the actual services.


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I'm surprised that your state or district still wants to give these kids an IEP.

My state has been using the RTI process to reduce the numbers of special ed students.

What you describe about regular ed teachers providing interventions is happening at a lot of schools around here, but it is ultimately to avoid giving an IEP.

Some of the better schools around here recognize that many if not most of their population could qualify for special ed, but that is not the answer.

These schools provide intense interventions for everyone starting in kindergarten and all general ed teachers are on board and involved in the process.

My current school is like yours in that the regular ed teachers would be livid if asked to provide interventions to special ed students.

Administration feeds into the very common thinking that if a kid has an IEP then it is not regular ed's problem.

Our big push is to reduce the number of self-contained minutes.

We still have teachers that want to send all the resource kids out of the room with an aide.

Kids sitting in the back of the classroom with an aide is an accomplishment.
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We definitely do a lot of RtI, but the difference now is that when a student gets an IEP they get added services with me as the sped teacher. In rare cases the title teacher continues to see them, but they then also get a group with me. In most cases other interventionists like title or EL are no longer responsible once the kid gets an IEP. With this new plan, the child could get an IEP but not end up working directly with me at all, meaning the IEP is basically just added paperwork describing the RtI services that were already happening.
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So are you still responsible for Iep paper work and meetings?

Gah! I have visions of case loads of 40 students and you have to manage other teachers without administrator salary or authority.

Can administration point to a local school or district that is actually doing this model?
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Yep, we are still supposed to be in charge of IEPs, testing, other paperwork, and meetings. At this training, the guy kept making the point that "learning specialists" (the word some people use for sped teachers in my area) are not "curriculum specialists." We're supposed to be in charge of the IEP stuff like accommodations,modifications, paperwork, testing, meetings and helping with differentiation while gen ed teachers are supposed to be doing remedial instruction, according to this guru. I can see how that case could be made in high school where the sped teacher isn't also certified in the content area, but it's pretty insulting to imply that I'm not capable of teaching K-3 content, IMO.

We also currently don't have any staff outside of sped who provide math interventions, so under this model I would put something like 2 hours per week of "specialized instruction" on the IEPs for math like always, but the "specialized instruction" would be their gen ed teacher doing a small group with them in class. If we go through with doing this, we'll basically have nothing to do with math other than writing the goals into IEPs.

I didn't even think of them using this as a reason to cut SPED staff, but that totally makes sense! I currently have a caseload of almost 30, but when I first started working here I was the only SPED teacher and had close to 50 kids. The one thing I kind of liked about that was that there was no feasible way they could make me do push-in instead, since I had 7 grade levels. If we can say the gen ed teachers are doing services, that wouldn't really be the case.

I will absolutely ask to see a nearby district that is doing this model. Great suggestion! Perhaps we can observe and talk to those teachers?

It doesn't help that the other SPED teacher thinks this all sounds great and is super vocal about how awesome it is. She doesn't really have a teaching background and is really strong in collaboration but weak in instruction/interventions, so this is perfect for her. There are rumors that we're getting a second title 1 position for next year (they cut a position last year to hire a THIRD counselor and rumor is new P will reverse this)- if that ends up being true, I'm strongly considering applying for it. My P knows I'm a great interventionist and I'm certain she'd back me up (and I have told her repeatedly that I will NOT stay in a position that is not instructional). Unfortunately the new P is in charge of all new hiring, so I'm not sure how good my chances would be. I really don't want to be any part of this nonsense in the SPED department.



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Unfortunately, I've seen it done this way in other places (including schools in which I've worked), as long as the sped teacher is officially "overseeing" the process (which really means they write the goals and ask the other teachers for data so they can write out progress reports). Maybe the other teachers will push back enough that it won't go through? We can hope, right?
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I'm not sure pushback from the teachers will make a difference. Even if we suddenly start to have a high turnover rate, I could totally see my district admin saying, "That's fine, those teachers weren't dedicated enough anyway." I certainly do hope I'm wrong though! I wish I could get a feel for now the new P feels about all of this before next school year. I also just found out today that our AP also got non-renewed, so I really won't have anyone backing me up!
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As a classroom teacher, if I am going to be legally responsible for providing all services to a student with an IEP, what would be my reasoning to get that child tested so they could receive an IEP? In our district, it is a lot of paperwork and time on the part of the classroom teacher to get a student services. If I am going to provide that service, what incentive do I have to get it done? I might as well do what I can do and skip the paperwork.

They have cut down tremendously on students that can qualify for services in our district, even though they claim they haven't. So, if I have a struggling kid and I can keep them making progress, however small, I don't take them through the process. It is a waste of my time and the families' time. I (we - teachers at my school) only take students that are significantly struggling through. Sad to say because I think some of these kids really just need the smaller class size/additional attention in order to make gains...

If I were a sped teacher in your district, I would look for another job. What they are doing (and what it looks like is happening from the federal level) is looking to get rid of sped services. What is the purpose of having an IEP? I do see that you have title services to help out. We have nothing. No other resource. No reading interventionalist. No title services. It is only the reg and sped teachers.
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So as a sped parent what I am hearing is that identified students will no longer be given specialized instructing by those with specialized training and education in meeting the needs of disabled students. They will be getting the same education as Gen Ed students without disabilities and nothing targeted or individualized (small group remediation lessons with the Gen Ed teacher and other Gen Ed students is not individualized, does not use the students individual learning abilities in a strengths based approach, and does not sound like it meets the criteria set forth in IDEA). So what you might you might be hearing from me and many parents like me is "hello, I'd like to introduce you to my lawyer/advocate".

Your district may not care if they get push back from teachers but how do you think they will feel about litigation and public notoriety.
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I could definitely see this as a way to get rid of SPED services, even at the federal level. I could completely see it getting to the point where they're able to claim that IEPs are "discriminatory" or something like that and that all students should be general education students. This is the language I hear a lot when we're talking about pulling kids out (to actually provide real sped services) vs. pushing in (which IMO, is in no way "specialized instruction"). People say it's "discriminatory" that kids are being pulled out of gen ed.

We'll be writing the changes into the IEPs, so I'm sure it's not illegal. I actually see most of our parents being pleased with this set up. It seems that many parents grew up in an era where there was a much bigger stigma with being in a resource type class. They don't want their kids to look different or to have to leave their gen ed room. I usually spend a large chunk of time in initial meetings convincing parents that it's not like that anymore. Kids leave the room for many reasons and I typically have gen ed kids begging to come too.

I did talk to my current P about this today. I asked her for a letter of rec "just in case" since she's leaving at the end of the school year. I'm kind of "casually" looking for a new position to see if there is anything I really want to apply for. Unfortunately, I think the change to push-in/"co-teaching" is happening everywhere. I've thought about trying to switch to title 1 (ironically, they seem to always be doing actual interventions), but funding has already been cut for that in my state and I'm afraid even if I did find a position this year it would be cut next year. My P told me that she's talked to the new P about this and she's in total agreement with the way we (current P and I) see things. That was great to hear, but I'm not sure how much control the new P will have if the district is really pushing this model.


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I checked and saw you're in Colorado. I'm in Minnesota. When I started working in Minneapolis, they used the same model as RTI but it wasn't named that yet. Now RTI has expanded and many districts are using it but in many different ways. Some just do RTI for reading for example. They bring in more "help" to do the interventions at level 2. There are usually 3 levels with level 1 the least restrictive done by the classroom teachers, level 2 is for students struggling to make grade level and get some intervention help outside the classroom or inside but by different staff. Level 3 is usually for students who are in special ed or in the process of being regerred. Special ed teachers can provide services in the classroom by having small group instruction. Sometimes they can pull out students but you're right districts are trying to get the spec ed teachers in the classroom so they can help more students, hopefully prevent some from being referred. I believe it's because to reduce the costs of special ed services. In Mpls it was for reducing minorities in spec ed. like it was something bad. It doesn't make sense to me either because districts are saying, "how can we reduce the learning gap?" A lot of our minorities were living in poverty, but it was easier to blame the teachers for not teaching good enough to them. Then all that new teacher evaluation stuff grew, blaming the test scores on the teachers too.
As a special education teacher, I am also certified and experienced teaching general ed. Some colleges got away from that and let teachers just get a special ed license, and some alternative licensed. Now there's a bigger need for teachers and special ed teachers. I think all of this is always wrapped up in all the political changes going on. At one time, I was teaching general ed and was dual paid to also case manage the kids in my class. That only lasted two years before they got rid of that. Maybe at some point all teachers are going to need special ed training in order to teach and special ed teachers will only be used for kids with severe needs. ?
What your principal is talking about now would not be a good way to service the students who are struggling, they'd be getting what they already got and it didn't work.
I remember hearing about studies that said kids who were pulled out for special ed services did not make gains. I don't know what that was based off of because I know mine did because I progress monitored them every week or two. I think "they" expected those students to make a year's growth in one year.
The government okay more % of special ed funds to be used by general ed. IMO this is being done to reduce costs. Then the districts use the race card for an excuse. IMO they are discrimating more students by NOT giving them the specialized help they need. I know that after getting my elementary license, getting my special ed license helped me a lot to teach ALL students. But having 30+ kids in my classroom made things less than optimal. And it didn't matter if they put another teacher or two or paras in my room either. I had to plan for the paras and they didn't have my training. They couldn't possibly learn what I did in a few minutes before their group. Other teachers didn't have my training either. All that did was create more noise and distractions to the point some days I couldn't even think. People coming and going all day, schedules changing depending on the number of kids in certain grades always changing too.
I think that the people in charge are making all the decisions without much input from all of us who are doing the teaching. They just don't get it!!! Why do you think so many teachers are leaving the profession or not going into it in the first place? This is ONE big reason. They don't treat teachers as professionals even those who have done in over 20 years with multiple licensure areas- I also have middle school math & science. Use me as a para in the classroom?! Not only a stupid idea, an ineffective one. But at least I'll still get to do all the fun paperwork and meetings.!
Make sure when you're in the meeting that they know how many minutes their child will see you for instruction. Tell them the classroom teacher will be leading the group. See how they feel about it. I think districts think we will keep quiet for them. I believe parents must know in order to sign the IEP. Some might think it's ok. Some will realize that's what already failed them.
It's going to take all educators to inform all parents to make a difference. Teachers have lost their voice, unions just collect their dues or get pushed out too. Our only help will come from us making our voices heard and educating the parents and communities about what is really happening. I'm at the end of my teaching career and things just look like they are getting worse.
Sorry for the length, this just gets to me.
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