I am a 20 year sub who up until now has only posted in the substitute teacher forum, but I did want to get the take of some contracted teachers on this issue.
Substitute teachers are sometimes faced with needing to accept some financial losses when other teachers or administrators make mistakes.
I have lost hundreds of dollars over the last 10 years due to other's errors, but since we have no union to back us up, and no contract, there is nothing we can do about it.
These losses result from accepting and arriving for jobs that do not exist. This happens for one of two reasons, either the teacher or administrator enters the job for the wrong day, or a training gets cancelled and no one remembers to cancel the job in the sub system.
This happens on average about five times a year in my largest district.
We are not allowed to cancel the job ourselves if we learn it does not exist, which would free us to look for something else. We need to hope we can get a hold of the sub coordinator in a timely manner, and then hope another job is available.
The district policy is to pay us only 40% of a standard day if we show up to a non-existing job, which means we lose between $75 and $142 depending on the job.
The latest incident occurred on March 23rd, for a job I had accepted six weeks earlier.
The teacher showed up and said that she is out tomorrow, but not today.
We went to the office to confirm that the teacher had made a mistake and put the job in for the 23rd instead of the 24th.
I was fortunate that the office manager was able to contact the sub coordinator and place me in a job eight miles away that another sub had just cancelled, otherwise I would have lost $75.
I am curious to know whether any contracted teacher would choose to do anything to compensate the sub for their mistake if it costs the sub money.
Obviously this would not be required or expected. It is just one of the drawbacks of having no contract or union, but I was curious to know if any teachers would feel an obligation to give some tangible token of apology.
If I made the mistake and knew the sub would lose money I would compensate the sub.If the school system messed up I would not feel obligated to compensate . I would like it if subs did not have the power to cancel 1/2 hour before class begins. This happens in my district and causes lots of problems.
No, because I'm also obsessive about making sure I put in the right date. Also, my building/district would never send a sub home, but rather find an unfilled position for the sub to take. We have positions that gonunfilled daily so there's always a place for a sub to go.
No, I would not feel I needed to compensate the sub.
Having said that, subbing is not a "job" where I live. All of our subs are either college students on break, parents wanting something to do when their kids are in school/same school hours, retired teachers who sub now and then for a bit of supplemental income or teachers without a job trying to get their foot in the door. We do not have one sub who relies on that money to live.
Also, I think it has happened once in my 12 years teaching that a sub showed up that was not needed. The P let her stay and we used her as an extra set of hands in the special education room which is always understaffed.
No, because it's never my fault. For example, I had coworkers show up late because they thought they couldn't make it and then did. Like say their kid was sick and the babysitter showed up. I have one coworker who does this often. She is very inconsiderate. I had a workshop they pulled me out of. There was a sub, but they did like office work. Honestly, the district should pay you unless it's the teacher.
I would not do this personally. Maybe once a year we have a sub show up at our building for a job that for whatever reason was incorrect. We've always allowed the sub to stay if he/she chooses. What is more often the case is that we line up subs in advance and they cancel the day of, with no more subs available. Has happened 3 times this year in my grade and no one in our building got extra compensation for teaching additional students.
if a sub comes, they are paid. If the teacher makes a mistake, the sub still gets paid. When I had jury duty, I was told not to put in for a sub until the night before because if they canceled the trial, and I worked after all, the sub would be paid. I know that sometimes, subs are wandering around asking if anyone needs help, because their job was canceled and they are still being paid.
No, I would not (and in 10 years teaching I have never asked for the 'wrong day off' so it is not an issue). I have also never asked a sub to reimburse me for classroom materials that got destroyed or went missing under their watch.
In my school a sub would be reassigned to a different room because we almost always have unfilled absences. This might mean that they signed up to fill in for HS math but get sent to be in self-contained behavior room for the day instead. Most of our subs are retired teachers or have other jobs and just pick up for extra money or to stay active and some I know would be thrilled to get o go home with 40% of the check without having to work.
that all subs are paid to show up regardless of error. At least that is how it is in most districts around where I live. Cancellations are accepted prior to 6:00 pm the night before except on the weekend. . .then its 6:00pm on Friday. We have a difficult time keeping subs as it is. . .if we didn't pay them for mistakes, jury duty, cancelled meetings( IEP's,), cancelled workshops, etc. . .We would be splitting up classes more than we do now.
I had a sub for a professional dev day last year. I messed up, and when I found out I called and had the school switch me to a sick day. Only seemed fair. I used my unscheduled day very well.
That said, sometimes things happen. Subbing is not a job here, either. It provides some extra money to people in transition, pt employment to moms and retired teachers. Otherwise, I couldn't imagine doing it for 20 years.
They pay for a half day if they can't use me or if I choose not to go to another building (don't do lower elementary). It's happened twice this year. Annoying, and I am scheduled for one more of these IEP jobs that I am thinking of cancelling so I will be open to accept a position that won't be cancelled. On the other hand, $45 for just showing up isn't bad.
I wouldn't feel obligated, since accidents happen. Of course, we would find something for the sub to do - we've never sent a sub away!! And if we did I am pretty sure we paid them. I know that when I was subbing that if I had a confirmation number and showed up at the school I got paid, even if they ended up not needing me or letting me go early.
And really, in all my years of subbing and teaching, it's been far more likely that a sub didn't show or would cancel a job than a teacher incorrectly puts in a job.
I didn't say, but I am pretty sure in my district that the sub would not be paid unless there was another position they could move into. We aren't close enough to other schools to have a chance to place them somewhere else. We also don't have a budget to pay for people we don't need. So, unless the teacher continues to take the day, or by chance there is someone else looking for a sub, the sub is out of luck.
Not fair. Not nice if you are counting on the funds, but the way it is, which is why I say subbing isn't a career here. It isn't even a great part time job, although most people who do it (I did for many years) enjoy the extra money and the low responsibility outside of work hours.
This could be one reason this district had 31 unfilled vacancies on March 17 at 8:30 AM.
More fair treatment would generate more acceptances and fewer split classrooms.
The administrators and teachers at the school that I went to on March 23 to replace the job in error were delighted when I walked in the office and when I went to each class to collect the split up students.
A couple of years ago I actually made more money because of a similar situation.
I picked up two half days; middle school in the morning, elementary in the afternoon. Because of the times I had 45 minutes to make a 25 minute trip.
I get to the elementary school, tell the secretary who I am and why I am there. She tells me that job has been canceled. I tell her it is still on my Aesop. She more firmly tells me that job has been canceled. I thank her and leave.
On the way to my car Jobulator goes off with a PM job in a school that is about half an hour away, it starts in 5 minutes. I call the school with the job and tell them I am available but 30 minutes away; no problem, I'm not needed until 1:30.
When this happened the first district paid $80.00/day while the second paid $100.00/day, so I made $10.00 more for the day.
The long-term effect of this is that I avoid this school if at all possible due to the games they play with subs; cancelling jobs at the last minute, switching assignments once you get there, and duty dumping. I am not alone in this, from what I hear other subs avoid this school as well.
The long-term effect of this is that I avoid this school if at all possible due to the games they play with subs; cancelling jobs at the last minute, switching assignments once you get there, and duty dumping.
I would not compensate the substitute teacher in any way. While I respect their roles, expertise and time, I do not feel that it is the responsibility of any teacher to reach into their own pockets to make up for such situations. If it were my mistake (and, as far as this type of situation goes, I should add that that has never happened), I would surely apologize but that would be the end of it. I don't say that to be harsh but I honestly feel that any money spent should be from the district or the school itself (depending on structure).
I guess I wouldn't feel obligated to be very honest. Mistakes happen. Should the sub feel obligated to compensate me when they don't follow my lesson plans or say they are going to show and don't?
Yes, it is a professional courtesy to let the sub manager know that the vacancy is no longer occurring but once I let the sub system know, it is out of my hands.
As for the teacher putting in the wrong day, it seems as if it was an honest mistake. I may see things differently if it were malicious.
Choosing to be a sub as a career then you make the same choice to not have the contract or union. I do admire subs though. Not sure I would want to walk into a different classroom of different kids every day.
If a sub shows up at a job in good faith, but there was a mistake or cancellation or whatever, the first thing is to try to find another job for them. If that doesn't happen, then they're paid anyway. At least that's my understanding.
We once had a sub who showed up for a cancelled conference, but she didn't know she was supposed to be paid, just accepted being sent away. I pulled her aside to tell her to check her right, because I am 99% sure that you're supposed to be paid if you showed up for a job.
I agree that in most cases you should not have to compensate the sub. If the office makes a mistake, it should be on them. Similarly, if you cancel before the cut off time, you should not be responsible. However, I believe if you put the wrong day and do not cancel and the sub has to show up, it is your responsibility.