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Old 04-06-2019, 08:17 PM
 
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Trying to decide what evidence to include for KOS for C4. I could include a filled out parent survey and filled out student survey or I could create a spreadsheet with all of the answers. Filled out individual sheet seems more convincing but chart seems like more clear. Thoughts on which would be better?


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Old 04-07-2019, 03:39 AM
 
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Can you fit both? Completed survey as representative and a chart as aggregate?
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I wish I could. The parent and student surveys are actually two pages each, and I can only show two pages of evidence altogether. I thought about just using a snapshot of a piece of the completed surveys, but I read that can be considered manipulating the evidence which isnt allowed.
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You can absolutely do that. Who said you can't?
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Someone said they asked NB about it and received this response.


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Interesting. I really thought you could show representative snippets. They are the final say, of course, and you should abide by what NBs says.
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This is very odd. There IS no page 45 in the General Instructions. I did a search for some of the key words in that message (manipulation, email, chain). Manipulation and chain are nowhere in the document. Email is there a few times, but not in the manner used in the post.

I'd go directly to each component's directions and read what's there. I would have agreed 100% with Zia's info.
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Hmm...something is fishy.
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Is it possible that official response is from a long time ago?
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tmmoore, you didn't get that personally, right? You saw it somewhere, but it wasn't sent to you from NBs?


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Old 04-09-2019, 04:44 AM
 
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Charts. I did a selection of students from my call log with detailed information about conversations had with parents. I didn't include the whole class, but just about 5-6 students to show one way I obtained knowledge and backed it up in my written commentary about how that knowledge guided me.

You don't want to take up a whole page of evidence for just one student. Cram as much in as you can!
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That is odd. This info was supposedly sent to a NB candidate from NB. Maybe I should just contact NB myself. If it is common practice to do this and others haven't had problems, it is probably fine, though. I am just a worrier.
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Old 04-09-2019, 05:32 AM
 
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This makes sense to show as much evidence as possible. I guess it doesn't have to be handwritten by others to be convincing. They trust what we are claiming.
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That is odd. This info was supposedly sent to a NB candidate from NB. Maybe I should just contact NB myself. If it is common practice to do this and others haven't had problems, it is probably fine, though. I am just a worrier.
I would verify with NBs. Honestly, if NBCoach says it's fine, I promise it is. She is the NBs Goddess. The fact that screenshot "email" references a page in the General Directions that doesn't exist makes the whole thing suspect.


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Yes. So long as you don't contradict yourself, they believe you.
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I emailed them a while back and got this response, also noting page 45:

In addition to the information provided in the Component instructions, guidelines for formatting evidence is located in the General Portfolio Instructions on pages 45-46. You'll need to decide the best way to submit your material while still following these rules. For instructional documents and helpful tips for formatting your materials, including the Electronic Guide to Submission, visit the National Board ePortfolio page
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It's referring to the general portfolio directions, not the individual component. But upon re-reading, I think "manipulation" is referring to shrinking, not re-typing or cutting/pasting.
Do not reduce full-sized pages of evidence (e.g., handouts, documents created using a word processing program) to fit more than one piece of evidence onto a single 8.5" 11" page. Do not use a smaller font or narrower margins in an attempt to fit in more information. If content has been manipulated to fit, assessors will not read anything beyond the equivalent to the specified maximum length.

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Oh no. I didn't think the one inch margin and 11 point font applied to evidence pages.
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Old 04-10-2019, 05:47 AM
 
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Me either. And what they're saying is so vague! I wonder how much they actually look at the evidence vs. read analysis/description of it?
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I didn't think the one inch margin and 11 point font applied to evidence pages.
It doesn't. This is so bizarre. Unless it is part of the clarifications since I've certified? But that was C3, not C4. I'm bringing NBCoach back in this conversation, lol.
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This is the (vague) response I received when I asked NB :

Hello Tracey,

Thank you for writing in. Unless specified otherwise in your instructions, instructional material and student work samples may be submitted in the same format as they were presented in your classroom; they will not require reformatting.

If the instructions don't specify whether or not you can include a sample instead of a full page, which they may not, you will have to make the decision.

Thank you,
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